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fskimospy

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No. He. Didnt. Youre grasping at straws because you disagree with him. In fact, "Obama" and "government" were not only in separate sentences, but separate paragraphs.

Jesus christ dude, not only were the two paragraphs about the same subject, in the next post he came straight out and said what we both knew anyway. What's your problem?
 

Ozoned

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There's no "politically incorrectness" in challenging someone who pretty much admitted that he has a conflict with the oath he took when becoming a commissioned officer:

From the information coming to light, it's clear that Hassan's beliefs were in serious conflict with this oath.

In our land of laws, it will probably be hard to prove that this guy actually broke any laws before he snapped. He is entitled to the full protection of the constitution that he swore to defend.

If something could have been legally done to prevent this act, heads should roll. If there is nothing that could have been done legally to prevent it, then we have to accept that this is the price we have to pay to live in a free society.
 

grebe925

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So then 9/11 was the fault of Clinton?

9/11 was classic blow-back. The Reagan administration gathered all the misfits and malcontents of the Muslim world and sent them off to fight the Soviets in Afghanistan. When that was done, they were left to use their battle-hardened skills as they pleased. These wackos had always viewed the West and the U.S. in particular as enemy No. 1 for supporting Israel and various Middle-Eastern dictatorships, so it was only natural that they turned their attention in that direction.

I seriously doubt that 9/11 could have been prevented because of it was so diabolically simple in concept and no one even thought that there were a bunch of people in the world capable of going through with it. I remember getting the phone call from my brother saying that terrorists had brought the WTC down; it was so mind-boggling I couldn't even comprehend it. Today, I am prepared for a more spectacular terrorist attack, simply because my mind accepts that it is possible.

Stopping a Fort Knox like attack is like finding a needle in a haystack; for every ten that can be uncovered, one will slip through the cracks. I would be more worried about stopping the show-stopper kind of attacks like 9/11.
 

jpeyton

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This is essentially the liberal position; there is no such thing as terrorism, there are only crimes. I don't agree with it personally, but it's a fairly popular position.
Versus the conservative position: Christian + killer = murderer. Muslim + killer = jihadist terrorist. Amirite?

He gave a lecture on Muslim alienation and potential threats from Muslims in the military if the military is at war against Muslims, complete with a bullet point reading simply "We love death more then [SIC] you love life." http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,573547,00.html
Can we arrest people for thought crime?

From a fellow physician: "He was a lightning rod. He made his views known and he was very vocal, he had extremely radical jihadist views," Finnell said. "When you're a military officer you take an oath to defend against all enemies foreign and domestic.
Can we arrest people for Anti-American thoughts?

"They should've confronted him — our professors, officers — but they were too concerned about being politically correct."
Why didn't his fellow physician confront him? And then what? A stern warning?

If some scrawny Asian college student can gun down an entire classroom, I don't think a trained member of our military would have any issues carrying out mass murder.

Short of imprisoning people for "pre-crime", you can't do anything about it.
 

kylebisme

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I remember getting the phone call from my brother saying that terrorists had brought the WTC down; it was so mind-boggling I couldn't even comprehend it. Today, I am prepared for a more spectacular terrorist attack, simply because my mind accepts that it is possible.
Unfortunately, so many minds have been tricked into accepting the absurd notion that the WTC buildings weren't previously rigged to come down, and that the terrorists who brought them down were Muslims, while whoever the real masterminds behind 9/11 were continue to walk free. As long as the masses can be duped into believing WTC7's the official story on of 9/11, we can be duped into believing just about anything, and more horrific attacks are bound to come.
 

kylebisme

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If some scrawny Asian college student can gun down an entire classroom, I don't think a trained member of our military would have any issues carrying out mass murder.
Besides, if any terrorist faction actually had a major in the military, the sure as hell wouldn't waste him on what any nutcase kid can do. So Hasan was obviously just another nutcase, and attempts to brand him as anything else are absurd.
 

Number1

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Unfortunately, so many minds have been tricked into accepting the absurd notion that the WTC buildings weren't previously rigged to come down, and that the terrorists who brought them down were Muslims, while whoever the real masterminds behind 9/11 were continue to walk free. As long as the masses can be duped into believing WTC7's the official story on of 9/11, we can be duped into believing just about anything, and more horrific attacks are bound to come.

You won't let go of this bullshit will you?
The mere concept that the buildings would have been rigged ahead of time is mind numbingly stupid.

And if it wasn't the Muslims who did it, then who was it?
Why don't you admit it, you know the jews did it. Be honest, it's OK, you can tell us.

Back on topic, the contacts the Major made with Islamic extremist had nothing to do with terrorism in your world. It's another lie, another conspiracy by the government to make the Muslims look bad.

You're one fucked up unit Kyle.
 

kylebisme

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The mere concept that the buildings would have been rigged ahead of time is mind numbingly stupid
The simple fact is that they wouldn't have come down as they did it they weren't rigged to do so.

And if it wasn't the Muslims who did it, then who was it?
Why don't you admit it, you know the jews did it.
As I noted in another thread when you made this inane argument previously:

I don't know who did it, but I know ethnic groups don't work as collective hive minds, so you are only deluding yourself by projecting such ignorant bigotry onto me.
Regardless, the buildings were irrefutably rigged to come down, and the idea that Muslim extremists could have pulled that off is absurdly far fetched.

Back on topic, the contacts the Major made with Islamic extremist had nothing to do with terrorism in your world. It's another lie, another conspiracy by the government to make the Muslims look bad.
It was actually mostly scaremongering from ABC's Brian Ross.
You're one fucked up unit Kyle.
I can imagine how it might seem that way to a delusional and bigoted half-whit like yourself.
 

theflyingpig

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Unfortunately, so many minds have been tricked into accepting the absurd notion that the WTC buildings weren't previously rigged to come down, and that the terrorists who brought them down were Muslims, while whoever the real masterminds behind 9/11 were continue to walk free. As long as the masses can be duped into believing WTC7's the official story on of 9/11, we can be duped into believing just about anything, and more horrific attacks are bound to come.

I love the fact that your dream of seeing the "real masterminds" behind 9/11 brought to justice will never happen. You will live the rest of your pathetic life trying to convince people of your madness. You'll spend countless hours pouring over video footage of the attacks, and analyzing each and every frame. And you know what? No one will listen, no one will care. You will label those who don't believe you as idiots, in some pathetic attempt to justify your stupidity. You'll come on forums like this and spend hours arguing your point. No one will listen, no one will care. You see, kylebisme, what you will never come to realize is that your whole existence here is a waste. It's funny to me, that your life -- your entire life is nothing more than a bad joke. Everyone knows this.
 

kylebisme

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I only had to see the video of WTC7 come down once to come to terms with the fact that the building was rigged to come down, and the many of us who are aware of this fact simply have to convince you people like you to come to terms with the laws of physics. Granted, some goons like you won't even come to terms with the fact that the earth is more than 6,000 years old, but not everyone is so delusional as to cling to myths in the face of demonstrable physical reality.
 

cwjerome

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This topic turned into a big ball of fuck a long time ago, but the injection of Truther madness is icing on the cake. This thread is fascinating in a Jerry Springer sort of way...
 

theflyingpig

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I only had to see the video of WTC7 come down once to come to terms with the fact that the building was rigged to come down, and the many of us who are aware of this fact simply have to convince you people like you to come to terms with the laws of physics. Granted, some goons like you won't even come to terms with the fact that the earth is more than 6,000 years old, but not everyone is so delusional as to cling to myths in the face of demonstrable physical reality.

LOL. Spare me your wikipedia based physics education. The only reality here is that you are a fool. Everyone is laughing at you, and you don't even know it.
 

kylebisme

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I studied physics from elementary school into college and of my own volition as well, and am well of aware of the fact that you falsers who lack any semblance of comprehension of the laws of physics are laughing at me. I'm not one to be intimidated though, particularly not by morons.

By the way, back to the topic at hand, Glen Greenwald wrote an excellent article about how our mindless media haphazardly misleads mindless morons in regard to this issue. It's just yet another example of the old blind leading the blind thing which we've been warned about a long time ago, but some never learn.
 
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BMW540I6speed

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This is essentially the liberal position; there is no such thing as terrorism, there are only crimes. I don't agree with it personally, but it's a fairly popular position.

LOL, identity politics....

Agian, normally peoples "opinions" have some level of bias, but normally we wait till all the facts are in before opineing. I seems Leiberman needs to go on national teevee and express his the way he did so early in this investigation . It rubbed me the wrong way. It had that icky stench of politics. I merely stated other possible reasons/legal action other than the loosly termed "terrorism". Since he getting a military court, there may be terrorism charges, we dont KNOW yet.

But, since your only interested in playing the identity politics game:

Jonah Goldberg and Cliff May of the National Review make cognent arguments of why this attack may not be classified as terrorism.

http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=YTRjMWY5MGNiMzQyNzM3Zjg0ZmJjYzA4NTMxYjEzYjg=

http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=OTAxNGFmYmY0MTA1YzM3Mzc0ZjRjMDcwNGNiMjFhNGU=

http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=Y2YwN2EyODk4ZTVlNWM4NzIyZDk3OTlkMmI4ODIyNzQ=

So, by your logic, I guess now you will argue that the National Review is a part of the legendary liberal media and Jonah Goldberg and Cliff May are liberals ?
 

Number1

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I studied physics from elementary school into college and of my own volition as well, and am well of aware of the fact that you falsers who lack any semblance of comprehension of the laws of physics are laughing at me. I'm not one to be intimidated though, particularly not by morons.

By the way, back to the topic at hand, Glen Greenwald wrote an excellent article about how our mindless media haphazardly misleads mindless morons in regard to this issue. It's just yet another example of the old blind leading the blind thing which we've been warned about a long time ago, but some never learn.



Even your avatar is 911 related.

I can only hope that one day you wake up and realize you've been wrong all along with this 911 stuff.

I don't think you have the intellect or moral fortitude to even consider this possibility for now but it may come one day.

In the mean time, keep making a fool of yourself, it's fun to watch.
 

GarfieldtheCat

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In our land of laws, it will probably be hard to prove that this guy actually broke any laws before he snapped. He is entitled to the full protection of the constitution that he swore to defend.

If something could have been legally done to prevent this act, heads should roll. If there is nothing that could have been done legally to prevent it, then we have to accept that this is the price we have to pay to live in a free society.

Winner!

Of course lots of people won't accept this concept, but this is the reality (and it is as it should be)
 

kylebisme

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I can only hope that one day you wake up and realize you've been wrong all along with this 911 stuff.

I don't think you have the intellect or moral fortitude to even consider this possibility for now but it may come one day.
Back at ya there.

In the mean time, keep making a fool of yourself, it's fun to watch.
I'd prefer you come around as quick as possible. Watching you incessantly fondle yourself is revolting.
 

fskimospy

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I studied physics from elementary school into college and of my own volition as well, and am well of aware of the fact that you falsers who lack any semblance of comprehension of the laws of physics are laughing at me. I'm not one to be intimidated though, particularly not by morons.

By the way, back to the topic at hand, Glen Greenwald wrote an excellent article about how our mindless media haphazardly misleads mindless morons in regard to this issue. It's just yet another example of the old blind leading the blind thing which we've been warned about a long time ago, but some never learn.

Yeah you know those crazy 'falsers' like the vast majority of all structural engineers. You're starting with your conclusion and then searching for evidence to support it instead of the other way around.
 

JD50

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I love the fact that your dream of seeing the "real masterminds" behind 9/11 brought to justice will never happen. You will live the rest of your pathetic life trying to convince people of your madness. You'll spend countless hours pouring over video footage of the attacks, and analyzing each and every frame. And you know what? No one will listen, no one will care. You will label those who don't believe you as idiots, in some pathetic attempt to justify your stupidity. You'll come on forums like this and spend hours arguing your point. No one will listen, no one will care. You see, kylebisme, what you will never come to realize is that your whole existence here is a waste. It's funny to me, that your life -- your entire life is nothing more than a bad joke. Everyone knows this.

+1
 

Jaskalas

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Jonah Goldberg and Cliff May of the National Review make cognent arguments of why this attack may not be classified as terrorism.

Regardless of word games and beating people over the head with dictionary definitions of terrorism, the fact remains that we had a solider who identified with our killers and then turned around and killed us. The ideology he identified with was Islam and barring his connection to that I contend that he would not have had a reason to snap.

That he was contacting Islamic terrorists and shares a history in a Virginia mosque with 9-11 hijackers is all the more damning for your notion.
 

spidey07

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Regardless of word games and beating people over the head with dictionary definitions of terrorism, the fact remains that we had a solider who identified with our killers and then turned around and killed us. The ideology he identified with was Islam and barring his connection to that I contend that he would not have had a reason to snap.

That he was contacting Islamic terrorists and shares a history in a Virginia mosque with 9-11 hijackers is all the more damning for your notion.

Even if he blew himself up yelling alah ackbar this administration and the left would still refuse to call it a terrorist attack by a radical muslim. And in my opinion (really fact) there is nothing different from blowing himself up and this shooting. The motivations and outcome are one and the same - to carry out his personal jihad which he has been instructed to do by muslim leaders.
 

GarfieldtheCat

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Even if he blew himself up yelling alah ackbar this administration and the left would still refuse to call it a terrorist attack by a radical muslim. And in my opinion (really fact) there is nothing different from blowing himself up and this shooting. The motivations and outcome are one and the same - to carry out his personal jihad which he has been instructed to do by muslim leaders.

You want to give a true definition of "terrorist attack"? Kinda hard to debate anything when you don't even know what you are discussing.
 
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