Breaking: Mass Shooting at Ft. Hood

[Painman]

Religion doesn't kill people. People kill people. How many Muslims are out there in the world, who have no intent at all towards killing people? The vast majority of 'em.

Religion is a tool, in a sense. We invented it. It helps us to existentially cope, but we also use it to existentially manipulate and control. Why the hell else would anyone don a bomb-laden vest and detonate it in the middle of a crowd of everyday folk? How do you convince someone that such a thing is Blessed, rather than a crime against humanity?

 

[Red Irish]

We could always round them up by researching their family histories, associates, etc. Put them all into camps or ghettos. At least until we can come up with a more permanent solution.

You already tried that with Japanese citizens during WWII, but please, don't give them any ideas.

 

[jpeyton]

Hussein posed a potential threat to the U.S. because of his capacity to manufacture weapons of mass destruction and the possibility that they could fall into the wrong hands.

What else does the crystal ball at the Federal Bureau of Pre-Crime say?

For example, under his regime, poisoned gas was used against the Kurds. What if something like that was sold to or fell into the wrong hands?

Are you talking about the chemical weapons Reagan gave him? If something like that fell into the wrong hands, blame the source.

 

[peonyu]

A similar incident happened in 2004, when a Muslim in the army went haywire and dropped grenades throughout his base. He lived to, and hes on Deathrow now. Its interesting that this scumbag lived [Malik Hasan], if only to hear exactly why he did it [im guessing very devout Islamic beliefs since he handed out Quarons prior to his Jihad].

Just be glad were not Europe though, thier knee-deep in folks who think just the way Malik Hasan does. Take a look at the London 'protests' over the Muhammed cartoons from 2006...700-1000 people with signs [in London] saying things ranging from Islam will take over Europe to behead the Infidels etc.

http://www.snopes.com/photos/politics/muslimprotest.asp

 

[magomago]

Just in case anyone thinks that Arab or Muslim Organizations are 'silent' on this (as we seem to always say, "Why aren't they protesting against violence!"), as if major organizations quietly support it, or justify the actions (ie: a ridiculous notion).

http://www.aaiusa.org/press-room/4378/aai-grieves-for-the-victims-at-ft-hood-and-their-families
Arab American Institute (although most Arabs in the US are Christian...)

We at the Arab American Institute are horrified by this tragic and senseless act of violence committed by a disturbed individual. We grieve with the families of those who died and those who were wounded. Our thoughts and prayers are with them.

Thousands of Arab Americans and American Muslims serve honorably everyday in all four branches of the U.S. military and in the National Guard. Additionally, many of our sons and daughters have willingly stepped forward to fulfill their duty with their fellow soldiers in Afghanistan, Iraq and other locations around the globe. Indeed, many are today currently deployed in both countries, honorably serving each and every day.

Please contact your local Red Cross and volunteer to give blood. If you are looking for a loved one from Ft. Hood, please contact the Red Cross’ “Safe and Well” program at https://disastersafe.redcross.org/. You will need the telephone number or address for the person you seek. For more information on how to help through the Red Cross in this crisis: http://redcrosschat.org/2009/11/05/fort-hood-shootings/

http://www.isna.net/articles/News/I...presses-Condolences-to-the-Victims-and-T.aspx
Islamic Society of North America

(Washington, DC, Nov. 5, 2009) The Islamic Society of North America condemns in the strongest terms the attack on soldiers at Fort Hood, resulting in the murder of at least a dozen soldiers and the wounding of many others. We express our deepest condolences to the victims and their families.

Although many details of the shooting are unknown at this time, it appears that the attack was led by a career soldier, Major Nidal Malik Hasan. The soldier who led this attack was either mentally unstable, or was motivated by a perverted ideology for which there can be no justification.

ISNA is proud of the many Muslim men and women who serve loyally in the United States military. We are grateful for the sacrifices made by all US soldiers, who represent the religious, racial and ethnic diversity of America, to defend the Constitution and our national security. ISNA, a faith endorser of US Muslim military chaplains, is proud of the service they provide, offering comfort and support to people of all faiths and beliefs. Just today, ISNA's chaplain endorser, Dr. Louay Safi, conducted a workshop at the US army base in Fort Bliss, Texas.

ISNA will be holding a press conference with national Muslim leaders to address this incident tomorrow morning. Time and location will be announced later tonight.

http://www.cair.com/ArticleDetails.aspx?ArticleID=26126&&name=n&&currPage=1
Council on American Isl[amic Relations

(WASHINGTON, D.C., 11/5/09) - A prominent national Muslim civil rights and advocacy group tonight condemned an attack on Fort Hood military base in Texas that left at least 12 people dead.

In a statement, the Washington-based Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) said:

“We condemn this cowardly attack in the strongest terms possible and ask that the perpetrators be punished to the full extent of the law. No religious or political ideology could ever justify or excuse such wanton and indiscriminate violence. The attack was particularly heinous in that it targeted the all-volunteer army that protects our nation. American Muslims stand with our fellow citizens in offering both prayers for the victims and sincere condolences to the families of those killed or injured.”

Along with innumerable condemnations of terror, CAIR has in the past launched an online anti-terror petition drive called “Not in the Name of Islam,” initiated a television public service announcement (PSA) campaign against religious extremism and coordinated a “fatwa,” or Islamic religious ruling, against terrorism and extremism.

 

[JS80]

Looks like his teleprompter fucked up last night lol.

 

[TheSkinsFan]

yes, their personal issued weapon vice squad based weapons.

I still don't understand what point you were trying to make, and now you've mixed "personal" with "issued" weapons to confuse me even further.

So... huh?

 

[exar333]

You already tried that with Japanese citizens during WWII, but please, don't give them any ideas.

Same thing happened in the US civil war....this is SOP during war...

Any other lessons in your grade-school history book you would like to share? It's almost Thanksgiving, how about the story of the Pilgrims sharing dinner with the indians?

 

[TheSkinsFan]

NZ doesnt have these problems because they dont send their soldiers off to kill kill kill kill kill kill kill kill kill... What do we think happens to a person after something like that?

Hey dipshit, New Zealand's soldiers have fought alongside the U.S. in Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam, Korea, and WWII. They also supply troops for the MFO peacekeeping forces in the Sinai and many other random shitholes around the world. They are now, and have always been, one of the United States' greatest allies.

Stay in school kids.

With the exception of the douchebag from NZ in this thread, I happen to like most of the NZ guys and gals I've worked with over the years.

 

[TheSkinsFan]

Admittedly this Major's weapons were likely registered POWs, but that just goes to show that POWs have no place on Army posts.

That's absolute horseshit.

 

[JKing106]

"Recently" is entirely subjective.

Americans have notoriously short memories.

Exactly. No one seems to remember Negroponte's CIA supported death squads in Honduras and Nicaragua.

 

[Carmen813]

So far, based on the information that has come out, it looks like you've been pwned on this one.

The amount of self-delusion you engage in is quite impressive.

Continue to taut religion as the cause. All you are doing is blinding yourself to what the real problem is.

Here, buy yourself one of these:

 

[TheSkinsFan]

At least tell us the last time Iraq attacked US citizens.. Thanks in advance

Do American pilots who were patrolling the no-fly zone in/around Iraq during the 90's count?

 

[jpeyton]

The news is reporting some investigators saying that the high number of casualties is probably a result of friendly fire.

Makes sense. If you hear shots fired, you're going to pull out your gun. If someone else with a gun sees you walking around with a gun, they'll take a crack at you.

 

[fritzfield]

Just to add a bit about troubled and/or incompetent individuals. I spent 9 years in the Army Dental Corps. We never had probs with dental officers because the pay levels were always comparable to those in the civilian world. However, the Medical Corps always had a helluva time keeping physicians, especially psychiatrists. They would tolerate real whack jobs as long as they had a valid license to practice in any of the the 50 states or the VI or PR. If one of us dentists were not team players - bye bye at first opportunity - such as the first OER. The MC would just ignore the nuts they had as long as they showed up for work. Maybe they will screen their people better and offer better pay incentives so that someone like this does not slip through again. It's not about religion, it's about quality level health professionals vis-a-vis misfits.

 

[Jaskalas]

How do you contain an idea?

Do not mistake contain for resist. For fighting. For opposing. For acting to protect ourselves from it to save lives and prevent repeated occurrences. I am not here to suggest containment.

 

[Carmen813]

Just to add a bit about troubled and/or incompetent individuals. I spent 9 years in the Army Dental Corps. We never had probs with dental officers because the pay levels were always comparable to those in the civilian world. However, the Medical Corps always had a helluva time keeping physicians, especially psychiatrists. They would tolerate real whack jobs as long as they had a valid license to practice in any of the the 50 states or the VI or PR. If one of us dentists were not team players - bye bye at first opportunity - such as the first OER. The MC would just ignore the nuts they had as long as they showed up for work. Maybe they will screen their people better and offer better pay incentives so that someone like this does not slip through again. It's not about religion, it's about quality level health professionals vis-a-vis misfits.

I'm not in the field of psychology (going into counseling), but I know it is not unusual for a counselor to receive counseling themselves. It's a difficult field, especially for trauma counselors. It occurs quite frequently.

Supervision isn't necessarily unlikely either, especially if you are end up working with a client who you identify with.

 

[Nebor]

The news is reporting some investigators saying that the high number of casualties is probably a result of friendly fire.

Makes sense. If you hear shots fired, you're going to pull out your gun. If someone else with a gun sees you walking around with a gun, they'll take a crack at you.

The only people authorized to carry (loaded) guns around on post are MPs and Civilian DoD police. Both are easily identified by the other.

 

[jpeyton]

Do not mistake contain for resist. For fighting. For opposing. For acting to protect ourselves from it to save lives and prevent repeated occurrences. I am not here to suggest containment.

Go for it. In fact, I'm on your side; I actively oppose all major religions in general for the same reason.

 

[Jaskalas]

Do not mistake contain for resist. For fighting. For opposing. For acting to protect ourselves from it to save lives and prevent repeated occurrences. I am not here to suggest containment.

Go for it. In fact, I'm on your side; I actively oppose all major religions in general for the same reason.

So you’ve jumped from making excuses for it to actively opposing it? You’re lying.

Sounds like another disgruntled employee.

The US military has no shortage of those.

 

[WhipperSnapper]

The amount of self-delusion you engage in is quite impressive.

Continue to taut religion as the cause. All you are doing is blinding yourself to what the real problem is.

Here, buy yourself one of these:

You implied that I was a racist for my properly and correctly predicting that the shooter was a Muslim. It has since been proven that my educated guess was 100% correct and that he has even made statements in the past to suggest that he sympathizes with Jihadists.

However, instead of acknowledging that I was 100% correct and that my educated guess was fully justified (as it has proven to be), you continue to carry on implying that you won this debate. Perhaps political correctness blinded you to reality, preventing you from making a proper educated guess as to the nature of the shooter. You are the one who has proven to be deluded.

 

[jpeyton]

So you’ve jumped from making excuses for it to actively opposing it? You’re lying.

Oops, I guess you caught me.

 

[Moonbeam]

Maybe if we bomb New Zealand it will fix what this guy did. At the very least I'm having emu for Thanksgiving.

 

[5150Joker]

This could explain why he went on a rampage:

Hasan recently was involved in a spat with another Fort Hood soldier residing in his apartment complex, apparently related to with his Muslim beliefs.

The manager of the complex, John Thompson, said the other soldier, John Van de Walker, allegedly keyed Hasan's car and also removed and tore up a bumper sticker that read "Allah is Love." Thompson said Van de Walker had been in Iraq and was upset to learn that Hasan was Muslim.

"That's why he did it," Thompson said.

A report filed with Killeen police on Aug. 16 indicates that Hasan's vehicle, a 2006 Honda Civic, had been scratched by an unknown object causing an estimated $1,000 worth of damage. The report indicates that Van de Walker, 30, was arrested on Oct. 21 and charged with criminal mischief. The matter has been referred for prosecution, according to the report.

In an interview with The Washington Post, Hasan's aunt, Noel Hasan of Falls Church, Va., said he had been harassed about being a Muslim in the years after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks and he wanted to get out of the Army.

"Some people can take it and some people cannot," she said. "He had listened to all of that and he wanted out of the military."

She said he had sought a discharge for several years, and even offered to repay the cost of his medical training.

Hasan was in the preparation stage of deployment, which can take months, though Army spokeswoman Col. Cathy Abbott was uncertain when Hasan was to leave. Abbott said Hasan was to deploy with an Army Reserve unit that provides what the military calls "behavioral health" counseling.

Another military official said Hasan had indicated he didn't want to go to Iraq but was willing to serve in Afghanistan. The official did not have authorization to discuss the matter publicly and spoke on condition of anonymity.

Source: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_fort_...DeW5fdG9wX3N0b3JpZXMEc2xrA2RldGFpbHNlbWVyZw--

 

[JKing106]

You implied that I was a racist for my properly and correctly predicting that the shooter was a Muslim. It has since been proven that my educated guess was 100% correct and that he has even made statements in the past to suggest that he sympathizes with Jihadists.

However, instead of acknowledging that I was 100% correct and that my educated guess was fully justified (as it has proven to be), you continue to carry on implying that you won this debate. Perhaps political correctness blinded you to reality, preventing you from making a proper educated guess as to the nature of the shooter. You are the one who has proven to be deluded.

All black people are crack dealers. All Oriental people have rice dicks. All Native Americans are drunks. All Jews are greedy.

Did I miss any stereotypes, in your "educated" opinion?