BREAKING: Palestinian group says Israeli settler executed

[halik]

meh,
build a box around the whole ****** place and dont open the door for 20 years. Maybe the idiots wihin will realize the collective stupidity of their actions.

 

[linkgoron]

Originally posted by: Future Shock

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: Future Shock

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: dahunan
**my bad.. I thought it was the soldier.. The kid.. is important.. but executing some random kid just makes them look like disgusting and sick Arafat lovers.. What was the rationale behind that move.. soldiers... different story...

the word "rationale," or any form thereof, is inappropriate when describing any actions on the part of Palestinian militants.

they have none. they need to be destroyed.

Which ones? The problem here is that all "Palestinian militants" didn't agree to this - a small group dedicated to derailing the peace process and the toning down of the rhetoric did.

And Isreal played right into their hands - by destroying the peace process.

EVERY time a terrorist group tries to grow up and stop fighting, there are seemingly always splinter groups that continue to hew a violent gameplan to derail the peace process. Fatah's past transition to a governing party spawned Hamas itself, Hamas's transition into possible peace process has spawned yet another violent offshoot...

Future Shock

So kill them all.

There are 6 million Palestinians (if I remember correctly) in the occupied territories...and they all claim allegiance to either Fatah, Hamas, or similar - in much the same way Americans are either Republicans or Democrats.

You start digging those 6 million graves, I'll start building the "showers"...OK? :disgust:

Future Shock

There are around 2 million, not 6 million. (or less, but I believe 2.1, but it may be close to 1.5 too)

 

[Horus]

this is why you do not FVCK with the israelis. They are hardcore.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: Genx87
This is blowing up much bigger than I had envisioned.
Hope this doesnt spill over into more countries in the ME.

I hope it does, there needs to be an epic fight to finally settle this once and for all. Maybe all the tinpot dictators will finally get overthrown as a result of this. Anyway, Hamas are idiots for taking hostages and the Pals are idiots for electing them; At the very least Hamas should've recognized Israel and begun a transition to become a legitimate organization..too bad for them because they had plenty of chances at reconcilliation.

I agree with you on Hamas transition that never happened. I said from the getgo them being elected was the best thing that could have happened. It put them out for the world to see if they would play by the rules or continue their ways of terror. They didnt change, the world saw it, and now Israel is taking care of them.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: dexvx
Too bad Israel is nothing without United States subsidized military and economic goods.

But at least they can use the billions of dollars far better than Haliburton in Iraq.

You think the 6 billion a year we send them makes their military into the giant it is?

Try again.

 

[Future Shock]

Originally posted by: Genx87

I agree with you on Hamas transition that never happened. I said from the getgo them being elected was the best thing that could have happened. It put them out for the world to see if they would play by the rules or continue their ways of terror. They didnt change, the world saw it, and now Israel is taking care of them.

THEY didn't change? Or a few hardcore members that happen to call themselves Hamas but are not part of the leadership? I love the way that you play right into the splinter groups hands...people like you are so predictable, the splinter groups know it, and they know that all they have to do is create ONE incident and the whole political process falls apart, and then they can fight the war with Isreal the way they want to, not the way their leaders want to...

Doesn't anyone remember all the shite that happened with the "Real IRA" and other splinter groups vs. the IRA main leadership during the Irish peace process? The bombing campaings aimed at re-starting the fighting with the English? The mutual assassinations between the Real IRA and the main leaders? It took time to sort that out...and Ireland is better for it, better that the peace process was given time to work without a massive English military response to the "Real IRA" provocations.

Or do we forget our history so quickly?

Future Shock

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: Future Shock

Originally posted by: Genx87

I agree with you on Hamas transition that never happened. I said from the getgo them being elected was the best thing that could have happened. It put them out for the world to see if they would play by the rules or continue their ways of terror. They didnt change, the world saw it, and now Israel is taking care of them.

THEY didn't change? Or a few hardcore members that happen to call themselves Hamas but are not part of the leadership? I love the way that you play right into the splinter groups hands...people like you are so predictable, the splinter groups know it, and they know that all they have to do is create ONE incident and the whole political process falls apart, and then they can fight the war with Isreal the way they want to, not the way their leaders want to...

Doesn't anyone remember all the shite that happened with the "Real IRA" and other splinter groups vs. the IRA main leadership during the Irish peace process? The bombing campaings aimed at re-starting the fighting with the English? The mutual assassinations between the Real IRA and the main leaders? It took time to sort that out...and Ireland is better for it, better that the peace process was given time to work without a massive English military response to the "Real IRA" provocations.

Or do we forget our history so quickly?

Future Shock

You are right, I forgot the radical change Hamas has had in the last few months. They are the new and improved, kinder, gentle hamas :disgust:

 

[Future Shock]

Originally posted by: linkgoron

Originally posted by: Future Shock

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: Future Shock

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: dahunan
**my bad.. I thought it was the soldier.. The kid.. is important.. but executing some random kid just makes them look like disgusting and sick Arafat lovers.. What was the rationale behind that move.. soldiers... different story...

the word "rationale," or any form thereof, is inappropriate when describing any actions on the part of Palestinian militants.

they have none. they need to be destroyed.

Which ones? The problem here is that all "Palestinian militants" didn't agree to this - a small group dedicated to derailing the peace process and the toning down of the rhetoric did.

And Isreal played right into their hands - by destroying the peace process.

EVERY time a terrorist group tries to grow up and stop fighting, there are seemingly always splinter groups that continue to hew a violent gameplan to derail the peace process. Fatah's past transition to a governing party spawned Hamas itself, Hamas's transition into possible peace process has spawned yet another violent offshoot...

Future Shock

So kill them all.

There are 6 million Palestinians (if I remember correctly) in the occupied territories...and they all claim allegiance to either Fatah, Hamas, or similar - in much the same way Americans are either Republicans or Democrats.

You start digging those 6 million graves, I'll start building the "showers"...OK? :disgust:

Future Shock

There are around 2 million, not 6 million. (or less, but I believe 2.1, but it may be close to 1.5 too)

Hmm, according to Wiki, Gaza is 1.3 million, and West Bank is 2.4 million Palesitinians (not counting Jewish settlers). So roughly 3.7 million Palestinian graves to dig should you wish to "kill 'em all"...and that's just in the occupied territories, there are lartge numbers living in Israel proper, and others settled elsewhere in the region (Lebanon, Syria, etc.).

FS

 

[Markbnj]

THEY didn't change? Or a few hardcore members that happen to call themselves Hamas but are not part of the leadership?

I'd say that what is predictable is that people will engage in wishful thinking that leads them to believe the "bad" palestinians are just a small fraction. Israel doesn't buy it, and I sure as hell don't either.

 

[Future Shock]

Originally posted by: Markbnj

THEY didn't change? Or a few hardcore members that happen to call themselves Hamas but are not part of the leadership?

I'd say that what is predictable is that people will engage in wishful thinking that leads them to believe the "bad" palestinians are just a small fraction. Israel doesn't buy it, and I sure as hell don't either.

I don't care if they are "good" or "bad" - I care whether they are PRAGMATIC. In their hearts and subconcious:

1) Every Palestinian knows they cannot win a military victory against Israel.
2) Every Palestinian knows that world opinion is not going to cause Israel to suddenly evaporate.
3) Every Palestinian knows that despite their prayers, Allah will not strike down the Israelis.

Therefore, ALL I care about is whether they acknowlege these facts and negotiate from a basis in reality, or whether they are delusional. EVERY Palestinian would like to see one of those three scenarios above...but pragmatic ones realize that they ain't gonna happen. This isn't about "good" or "bad" - if you are an Israeli, they all hate you, and you would consider them "bad".

But despite that, some of them are ready to admit to reality and work from there...not because they are "good", but because they are realists, and they realize that they must move forward to save an entire generation or two of their people from desolation. Abbas is one of them, and I think parts of Hamas leadership probably is too - but certainly not all of it. I think most "civilian" Palestinians are getting pretty pragmatic these days - their economy is a shambles, their children have no future, and their living conditions poor.

Future Shock

 

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: Future Shock

Originally posted by: Markbnj

THEY didn't change? Or a few hardcore members that happen to call themselves Hamas but are not part of the leadership?

I'd say that what is predictable is that people will engage in wishful thinking that leads them to believe the "bad" palestinians are just a small fraction. Israel doesn't buy it, and I sure as hell don't either.

I don't care if they are "good" or "bad" - I care whether they are PRAGMATIC. In their hearts and subconcious:

1) Every Palestinian knows they cannot win a military victory against Israel.
2) Every Palestinian knows that world opinion is not going to cause Israel to suddenly evaporate.
3) Every Palestinian knows that despite their prayers, Allah will not strike down the Israelis.

Therefore, ALL I care about is whether they acknowlege these facts and negotiate from a basis in reality, or whether they are delusional. EVERY Palestinian would like to see one of those three scenarios above...but pragmatic ones realize that they ain't gonna happen. This isn't about "good" or "bad" - if you are an Israeli, they all hate you, and you would consider them "bad".

But despite that, some of them are ready to admit to reality and work from there...not because they are "good", but because they are realists, and they realize that they must move forward to save an entire generation or two of their people from desolation. Abbas is one of them, and I think parts of Hamas leadership probably is too - but certainly not all of it. I think most "civilian" Palestinians are getting pretty pragmatic these days - their economy is a shambles, their children have no future, and their living conditions poor.

Future Shock

Arafat was supposed to lead them to the promised land - Militants said no. - Arafat says OK
Abbas was supposed to lead them to the promised land - Militants said no. - Abbas says OK
Hamas is supposed to lead them to the promised land.- Militants said no. - Hamas says OK

Anyone see a pattern

 

[Future Shock]

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper

Arafat was supposed to lead them to the promised land - Militants said no. - Arafat says OK
Abbas was supposed to lead them to the promised land - Militants said no. - Abbas says OK
Hamas is supposed to lead them to the promised land.- Militants said no. - Hamas says OK

Anyone see a pattern

The pattern is that as long as the militants can provoke Israel into an overwhelming response with a few terror attacks, the Palestinian political leaders are on a very short leash.

So Isreal needs to change their behaviour, or start digging 4.7 million graves...

Future Shock

BTW - and your last example isn't the best - Hamas never said they would lead them to the promised land of peace. Hamas still officially is a militant organization itself. The only hope is that now that they are in power enough of them grow up and become pragmaticists...which is what has happened elsewhere such as Ireland. But it took a LOT of restraint on the part of the English to let them have the time to do that...

 

[EagleKeeper]

Notice that I never stated the word PEACE

Both Arafat and Hamas have supported/encouraged/blessed the militant actions against Isreal.

Abass complained that he could not do anything about the militants.

If you are a government, then maintain security and control. If you can not do so, then get out or accept the consequences.

 

[Future Shock]

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
Notice that I never stated the word PEACE

Both Arafat and Hamas have supported/encouraged/blessed the militant actions against Isreal.

Abass complained that he could not do anything about the militants.

If you are a government, then maintain security and control. If you can not do so, then get out or accept the consequences.

Israel had a good portion of their armed might deployed in Gaza and the West Bank for years...and THEY couldn't stop the terrorist attacks. Which is why they withdrew, and are building a wall. And you wish Abbas's police force with no armoured vehicles to do that job....how?

Please tell me - given the past failure of ISRAEL'S occupying forces to get that job done, who do you think will do it 100%??? Or even 90%?

Ahh, back to 4.7 million graves to satisfy EagleKeeper...

Future Shock

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: Future Shock

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
Notice that I never stated the word PEACE

Both Arafat and Hamas have supported/encouraged/blessed the militant actions against Isreal.

Abass complained that he could not do anything about the militants.

If you are a government, then maintain security and control. If you can not do so, then get out or accept the consequences.

Israel had a good portion of their armed might deployed in Gaza and the West Bank for years...and THEY couldn't stop the terrorist attacks. Which is why they withdrew, and are building a wall. And you wish Abbas's police force with no armoured vehicles to do that job....how?

Please tell me - given the past failure of ISRAEL'S occupying forces to get that job done, who do you think will do it 100%??? Or even 90%?

Ahh, back to 4.7 million graves to satisfy EagleKeeper...

Future Shock

I have no problem with 4.7 million graves. They will all get virgins in heaven to play with if they bless Allah as they run towards the guns.

 

[Markbnj]

I don't care if they are "good" or "bad" - I care whether they are PRAGMATIC. In their hearts and subconcious:

1) Every Palestinian knows they cannot win a military victory against Israel.
2) Every Palestinian knows that world opinion is not going to cause Israel to suddenly evaporate.
3) Every Palestinian knows that despite their prayers, Allah will not strike down the Israelis.

Your premise here is not sustained by facts or recent experience.

Israel had a good portion of their armed might deployed in Gaza and the West Bank for years...and THEY couldn't stop the terrorist attacks. Which is why they withdrew, and are building a wall. And you wish Abbas's police force with no armoured vehicles to do that job....how?

Please tell me - given the past failure of ISRAEL'S occupying forces to get that job done, who do you think will do it 100%??? Or even 90%?

Ahh, back to 4.7 million graves to satisfy EagleKeeper...

Your reading of the situation is dramatically oversimplified. Israel has been constrained by international and U.S. policy for many years, and has never made an attempt to seek a final military solution to the problem.

 

[palehorse]

they dont need to dig 4.7 million graves... they simply need to round up every single one of the Palestinians and march them into Syria. Then, they line up their forces on the Israeli side of the border and tell Syria that the Palestinians are now their fvcking problem.

If Syria doesn't like it, too f'n bad for them. Thefuture of those 4.7 million people will be in the hands of their fellow Muslims. We'll finally see up close and personally just how much the Arabs care about them. Something tells me that Syria will let them all die of starvation and not blink an eye.

bet?

 

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: Future Shock

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
Notice that I never stated the word PEACE

Both Arafat and Hamas have supported/encouraged/blessed the militant actions against Isreal.

Abass complained that he could not do anything about the militants.

If you are a government, then maintain security and control. If you can not do so, then get out or accept the consequences.

Israel had a good portion of their armed might deployed in Gaza and the West Bank for years...and THEY couldn't stop the terrorist attacks. Which is why they withdrew, and are building a wall. And you wish Abbas's police force with no armoured vehicles to do that job....how?

Please tell me - given the past failure of ISRAEL'S occupying forces to get that job done, who do you think will do it 100%??? Or even 90%?

Ahh, back to 4.7 million graves to satisfy EagleKeeper...

Future Shock

The PA government(s), and I use that term loosely, have never wanted to rein in the militants. To attempt to do so would destroy their internal support.

Israel has never attempted to clean out the nest of vipers. Had they chosen to; they could have just send everyone back across the borders.

Gaza and the West Bank were a dumping ground by the Arab states to solve their own Palestinian problem (that they created). Israel allowed such areas in the interest of the "so called peace" that was offered by the Arab states.

The solution of expelling trouble makers worked for the Arab states; maybe Israel should round them up and ship them back to their brothers that support them with open arms (pun intended)

 

[Future Shock]

Originally posted by: palehorse74
they dont need to dig 4.7 million graves... they simply need to round up every single one of the Palestinians and march them into Syria. Then, they line up their forces on the Israeli side of the border and tell Syria that the Palestinians are now their fvcking problem.

If Syria doesn't like it, too f'n bad for them. Thefuture of those 4.7 million people will be in the hands of their fellow Muslims. We'll finally see up close and personally just how much the Arabs care about them. Something tells me that Syria will let them all die of starvation and not blink an eye.

bet?

Something tells me that Syria will give them 4 million AK-47s...and two boxes of ammo each.

And send them back to the Israeli border.

Bet?

Future Shock

 

[magomago]

Ahhh so palehorse74 comes out with his true opinion: complete eviction of the people who live there. Maybe its time for a few trail of tears? Either way now no land belongs to the Palestinians who live there according to you...NONE.
Your logic makes about as much sense as the French rounding up all the Austrians to toss them in Germany, and the Germans should "live with it". I mean hey, there is the same race involved, and even the majority speak the same language...they all share religion too there is BOUND to be no problem!

 

[Future Shock]

Originally posted by: RichardE

I have no problem with 4.7 million graves. They will all get virgins in heaven to play with if they bless Allah as they run towards the guns.

Take your fscking racist piddle out of here, Nazi.

Those 4.7 million people didn't choose to be born Muslims, in Palestinian refugee camps...anymore than 6 million Jews didn't choose to be born Jewish in Germany.

Future Shock

 

[Future Shock]

Originally posted by: Markbnj
Your reading of the situation is dramatically oversimplified. Israel has been constrained by international and U.S. policy for many years, and has never made an attempt to seek a final military solution to the problem.

I've heard that same line for years now...Israel has blasted, bombed, parked tanks in the streets for days, used helicopter assault ships to assasinate, driven tank columns INTO the Fatah headquarters and destroyed it, besieged entire cities, used car bombs, cell phone bombs, precision guided missles from F16s, and overt economic warefare...have I left anything out?

Now, let's say the gloves come off...and they would do WHAT differently? Kill everyone?

Future Shock

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: magomago
Ahhh so palehorse74 comes out with his true opinion: complete eviction of the people who live there. Maybe its time for a few trail of tears? Either way now no land belongs to the Palestinians who live there according to you...NONE.
Your logic makes about as much sense as the French rounding up all the Austrians to toss them in Germany, and the Germans should "live with it". I mean hey, there is the same race involved, and even the majority speak the same language...they all share religion too there is BOUND to be no problem!

YES, it is my opinion that the Israeli's end this mess once and for all. The Palestinians are used as pawns by their supposedly "beloved" arab brethren, and it's about time those "brethren" take them in.

I just dont see a peaceful two-state system EVER becoming a reality. I don't want those Palestinians killed, just moved to one of their "beloved" arab protectors. Anything less than the removal of all Palestinians from Israeli soil will just lead to endless warfare.

I just dont see any other solution beyond removing Israeli's from the ME, and that's not an option at all, no matter how much their Arab neighbors wish and pray for just that to happen!

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: Future Shock

Originally posted by: RichardE

I have no problem with 4.7 million graves. They will all get virgins in heaven to play with if they bless Allah as they run towards the guns.

Take your fscking racist piddle out of here, Nazi.

Those 4.7 million people didn't choose to be born Muslims, in Palestinian refugee camps...anymore than 6 million Jews didn't choose to be born Jewish in Germany.

Future Shock

Hell, if it was christians or jews causing all this crap I would say kill the entire lot of them aswell.

If we kill all of them, we get decades of peace in exchange for a few years of mourning. That is a pretty good trade off, brutal? yes, heartless? yes, Will it finally put an end to this? Yes.

Nothing else works, we tried it. We can't help a people who do not help themeselves, so get rid of them.

 

[Future Shock]

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: Future Shock

Originally posted by: RichardE

I have no problem with 4.7 million graves. They will all get virgins in heaven to play with if they bless Allah as they run towards the guns.

Take your fscking racist piddle out of here, Nazi.

Those 4.7 million people didn't choose to be born Muslims, in Palestinian refugee camps...anymore than 6 million Jews didn't choose to be born Jewish in Germany.

Future Shock

Hell, if it was christians or jews causing all this crap I would say kill the entire lot of them aswell.

If we kill all of them, we get decades of peace in exchange for a few years of mourning. That is a pretty good trade off, brutal? yes, heartless? yes, Will it finally put an end to this? Yes.

Nothing else works, we tried it. We can't help a people who do not help themeselves, so get rid of them.

What do you MEAN "can't help people who do not help themselves?"

They have BEEN KICKED OFF THEIR FAMILY LANDS OF GENERATIONS.

DUMPED INTO REFUGEE CAMPS WITH NO INDUSTRIAL TRADE ROUTES, ACCESS TO HARBOUR FACILITIES, OR INTERNATIONAL AIRPORTS.

NO industrial base. A populace now borne into refugee camps of little educational access, poor healthcare, and little security.

And NO billions upon billions of US aide as Israel is getting.

But, hey, yeah, it's all THEIR fault for "not helping themselves."

OK, Mr. Self-Starter, let's dump you in the desert with no resources and see wtf you do...my bet is curl up an die in a few hours....

The ONLY thing these people ever were was farmers and herders...and THAT takes land...land that Israel has moved them from...you want them to help themselves? Give them their (or someone else's) land back. It is as shameful as what the US did to the native Americans when they moved them onto the reservations...and has had much the same effect.

Too bad Islam bans casinos...

Future Shock