Breaking: Shooting at CT elementary school

[WelshBloke]

You're a moron. Is this guy any crazier than Timothy McVeigh? No, both are assholes

I dunno, being able to shoot a bunch of little kids, face to face at close range needs a special type of crazy.

 

[CVSiN]

I dunno, being able to shoot a bunch of little kids, face to face at close range needs a special type of crazy.

I Agree WB this takes a special kind of evil..
rarely seen.
These are babies.. mostly K from the reports now..
so the youngest at the school..
just unspeakable.

 

[pontifex]

I can't take this any more...
can you anti-gun "people" make any kind of rational thought? Why are these responses completely ridiculous
and unrealistic?

"People are now saying schools need armed cops on campus
They just don't get it do they? Next they'll be saying each class room needs an AK-47."
Wtf is up with all this ridiculous talk?

"Agreed. Arming teachers is only asking for more trouble. We can't expect to give a 60 year old woman an Uzi and tell her to protect her class with it. That can't possibly end well."
"I'm implying that it is unsafe to have dozens of loaded firearms wandering the halls of every elementary school in the hands of middle-aged and often frail and untrained citizens. "
Who says all teachers need to be armed? Who says they need Uzis? Who says these people woudn't be required to take training?


"I didn't see any of you kicking up a fuss when they banned fully automatic weapons. "
Probably because none of us was alive on June 26, 1934? Hell, my parents weren't even born then.


"What are you suggesting that these teachers or kids should have been strapped.
Law abiding citizens should call the police and wait for help. If they don't do that then you have another TM case."

Not sure what you mean by TM case, but people aren't allowed to defend themselves? No one said to arm the children.
So some guy is trying to rape your wife/gf/mom/sister. She's supposed to call the police and wait? She's supposed to let the guy
rape her and possibly kill her while she waits for the police?
What if she can't call the police? What if she has no phone, the battery is dead, or it's broken or taken by the rapist?
Those people in the school called the police and waited. They got killed. Had someone had a gun, they could have killed the shooter
before he killed anyone or possibly lessesned the amount of victims.



"Where are these criminals opening up on innocent bystanders? "
Where have you been? have you not watched the news lately? Do you not understand what the the topic of this thread?


"What is the purpose of semi-auto weapons? Home defence? No, they're a very poor choice for that. You'll probably just kill your own kids or the neighbors. Hunting? Haha.
The sole purpose of these weapons is killing people."
Why do anti-gun people always assume people are going to kill their own kids or neighbors? Guns have been around for a long time. It seems to happen very rarely.
The sole purpose of these guns is not for killing people. hunting is valid. target shooting and sport shooting is valid.

"But your logic we should allow citizens to purchase anything they want. Car full of C4 explosives? Hey, go for it. $400 from walmart. "
"So an arms race now? What's next rocket launchers? Are we fucking Somalia now.. "
"Give teachers guns. Great idea!!
And when that fails (and it will), what next? Arm one student per class? Mount a machine gun in every hallway? Have armed snipers on the roof"
again with the ridiculous escalations. no is saying we should be able to have explosives.

 

[cronos]

Most people using the phrase "assault weapon" (media or otherwise) wouldn't know one if I knocked them in the back of the head with the butt of one.

Who cares? To me if innocent kids died because of it, it doesn't really matter what type of weapon it is.

 

[ZOOYUKA]

You're a moron. Is this guy any crazier than Timothy McVeigh? No, both are assholes

Wow! What a nice comment.

I guess I should've explained myself. I was originally thinking it was an assault rifle. To me that would be alot less personal interaction than using two pistols. Having to go from victim to victim with a pistol is more disturbing I think.

 

[ZOOYUKA]

I dunno, being able to shoot a bunch of little kids, face to face at close range needs a special type of crazy.

Thank you! That's exactly what I was thinking!

 

[WelshBloke]

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Teachers take the job to teach not to be armed guards.

If you want armed guards employ them.

 

[Jodell88]

yeh the 2 pistols they found are sooo "assault"

the rifle was not even used it was in the back of the car still.

he used 2 pistols.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1RvTJBdRuA

 

[Arkaign]

For the people here trying justifying "tighter" gun control due to this and other related shootings:

Great job taking a tragedy and turning it into a political platform. You aren't being original, people have tried before you. Really, STFU and GTFO.

The reality is, shootings like this, however tragic, are statistically insignificant. National gun laws, on the other hand, affect everyone, period. They are outliers and are not a sound basis upon which to base policy. Enacting widespread restriction of rights in response to isolated events is unthinkably naive and ignores the source of the problem.

Think about what you are saying: due to tragic shootings, which directly affects a negligible portion of the population, gun laws, which affect a great portion of the population, should be made so restrictive such that even the least responsible gun owner in the nation cannot commit gun crimes. Think of an analogue in education: the curriculum should be watered down and slowed so much that the slowest student can "succeed", at the cost of everyone else's benefit.

At this rate, we should probably ban turkey frying due to the number of people killed attempting it.

Please save that shit for some other day.

Yeap. Not to mention that the incredibly rare and incredibly dangerous people like this shooter and the one at the Theatre for the Dark Knight shooting wouldn't be dissuaded by something as mild as gun laws. Hell the DK theatre shooter had an apartment full of explosives. There was nothing stopping him from using those instead, potentially killing hundreds of people. And I'm pretty sure he didn't have permission to have those explosives legally.

If we could have some reset where magically the ~1B+ firearms in the US (proabably more like 2.5-4B at least) all simultaneously disappeared, that would make gun control temporarily more feasible (before they became massively imported on the black market a la our 'drug war'), but right now gun control laws just punish the law abiding and the criminals/nutters ignore them wholesale (see DC, Chicago, NY, etc, whereever strict gun control is in effect in the US).

 

[Jeeebus]

That's what I mean. How do you kill that many people with 2 pistols?

I'm sure the twenty 5-6 year olds he killed were thinking clearly enough to rush the guy and rip his throat out in between his changing magazines.

A pistol can have anywhere between 10-18 rounds or so. Two pistols, 36 rounds.

One AK, 30 rounds. This debate is idiotic, and frankly a slap to the face of those that have died. Take this garbage to P&N. For fucks sake, even the politicians with the biggest agendas on this issue are willing to wait until another day before going back and forth on this.

 

[TallBill]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1RvTJBdRuA

Unless in the hands of someone highly trained, those would be far less lethal.

 

[cronos]

...but right now gun control laws just punish the law abiding...

Only the law abiding citizen who want to have guns

 

[CVSiN]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1RvTJBdRuA

and your point is? yes Beretta makes a FA handgun as well.
but they are tightly controlled and these were not them..
They are normal run of the mill buy at any sporting goods store Sig and Glock..

 

[TallBill]

Wow! What a nice comment.

I guess I should've explained myself. I was originally thinking it was an assault rifle. To me that would be alot less personal interaction than using two pistols. Having to go from victim to victim with a pistol is more disturbing I think.

I'm not sure how you and others think that rifles magically operate.

 

[pontifex]

Teachers take the job to teach not to be armed guards.

If you want armed guards employ them.

I'm not saying that they would be forced to be armed. if they wanted to, they could, otherwise they could have armed guards on site. I've already mentioned this earlier.

 

[Jeeebus]

Wow! What a nice comment.

I guess I should've explained myself. I was originally thinking it was an assault rifle. To me that would be alot less personal interaction than using two pistols. Having to go from victim to victim with a pistol is more disturbing I think.

How would that be any less personal? Guy goes into a classroom. Room is maybe 30 feet long regardless of whether he is shooting a pistol or a rifle. Did you think he was shooting them from across the football field? That's about the only way your comment could make any sense.

 

[Anonemous]

RIP victims.

Gun control nuts: This shooting like all the mass shootings won't do anything for gun control.

Gun freaks: For those calling for arming everyone, yea, imagine if this same incident happened at an NRA convention, everyone would be shooting at anything that moved, total chaos, multiple gun assailants.

 

[Jodell88]

and your point is? yes Beretta makes a FA handgun as well.
but they are tightly controlled and these were not them..
They are normal run of the mill buy at any sporting goods store Sig and Glock..

Don't have a point really since I don't live in your country.

I'll just say this. Where I'm from to have a gun you need to have a permit. Yes, criminals have guns, my cousin is currently recuperating from multiple gunshots wounds at home. We have never had a mass killing like what has been occurring in America.

 

[WelshBloke]

I'm not saying that they would be forced to be armed. if they wanted to, they could, otherwise they could have armed guards on site. I've already mentioned this earlier.

Too many liability issues.

Is the school responsible for training them?
If a teacher chooses not to carry and another shooting happens will they get sued?
If a teacher chooses to carry but chooses not to shoot will they get sued?
If they hit a kid when they shoot will they get sued?

 

[corwin]

Don't have a point really since I don't live in your country.

I'll just say this. Where I'm from to have a gun you need to have a permit. Yes, criminals have guns, my cousin is currently recuperating from multiple gunshots wounds at home. We have never had a mass killing like what has been occurring in America

So are you not from Trinidad?

http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/latestnews/7-killed-in-Trinidad-shooting-spree

 

[SSSnail]

As conditions worsen, we'll see more and more of this crap on the news. How we're living as a society is not helping. Sad, sad all around.

I'm numb. Can't even begin to try to understand what, and why this happened.

 

[CVSiN]

Don't have a point really since I don't live in your country.

I'll just say this. Where I'm from to have a gun you need to have a permit. Yes, criminals have guns, my cousin is currently recuperating from multiple gunshots wounds at home. We have never had a mass killing like what has been occurring in America.

To legally own ANY handgun or anything but a standard hunting rifle ( Shotgun, bolt, or semi auto) you need licenses here as well.

That doesn't mean people don't steal or buy handguns in the grey markets.

 

[pontifex]

Too many liability issues.

Is the school responsible for training them?
If a teacher chooses not to carry and another shooting happens will they get sued?
If a teacher chooses to carry but chooses not to shoot will they get sued?
If they hit a kid when they shoot will they get sued?

thats not for me to decide. the current situation obviously isn't doing any good. right now they have no option to defend themselves.

 

[KeithP]

This thread has run its course. It is pointless now.

-KeithP

 

[Jodell88]

So are you not from Trinidad?

http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/latestnews/7-killed-in-Trinidad-shooting-spree

I do live in Trinidad. That was four separate incidents by different people killing seven individuals.

/offtopic There's no "Jonestown" in Trinidad and Tobago. WTF?