Breast-feeding fight yields legal victory

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: Isla

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: Isla
I just wanted to pop in and say Yay for breastfeeding. It boggles my mind that anyone would have a problem with it.

<---breastfed and comes from a long, long line of nursing moms

It's the best of the best of meals for a baby, restrictions my ass.

Of course it is!

Somewhere along the line, the idea that breast feeding was for poor people took hold, and formula became popular. Never mind the fact that breast feeding is the best thing you can do for your children's health and intelligence... the modern thing to do was buy something that was marketed as 'superior'! Hah! Fortunately for me, my own mother never bought into that, and she nursed all of us, even when breastfeeding was very out of vogue. Her mother breast fed her, and her mother before her breastfed... and as my mom puts it, WE ARE MAMMALS, DARN IT! :laugh:

Then of course, the sexualization of the breast was able to overshadow the TRUE reason women have breasts. Breasts are for feeding babies. If men like them, well that's not moms and babies fault, and something as healthy and right as breastfeeding should never be equated with a man's disturbed reaction to what he sees.

I have friends who didn't breast feed because they just couldn't deal with it. They felt like breasts were for their husbands and were afraid that they would get 'ruined'. And yet I'm the one who still has firm orbs after nursing 3... go figure. Maybe it's because it is just as good for mom as it is for baby... women who breast feed reduce their risk of breast cancer.

<---was probably a wet nurse in a past life

Their boyfriends can jump sidways to hell if they are so inclined, but the milk is for the baby, it is common knowledge that breast milk helps the baby develop a functioning immune system.

It is a natural thing, the best food is provided by the natural channel.

Heh, i have three kids too, two with one mom one with a fling after her, we are all well and my kids are in their teens now, except for mr fling, he is just there, trying to figure out who he is i'd say, i love them all endlessly and want for all of them all the beat.

They are all breast fed, in public or otherwise, and they are all great kids, i assume DWW was never breastfed and look at him, he is a mess.

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: Isla

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: Isla
I just wanted to pop in and say Yay for breastfeeding. It boggles my mind that anyone would have a problem with it.

<---breastfed and comes from a long, long line of nursing moms

It's the best of the best of meals for a baby, restrictions my ass.

Of course it is!

Somewhere along the line, the idea that breast feeding was for poor people took hold, and formula became popular. Never mind the fact that breast feeding is the best thing you can do for your children's health and intelligence... the modern thing to do was buy something that was marketed as 'superior'! Hah! Fortunately for me, my own mother never bought into that, and she nursed all of us, even when breastfeeding was very out of vogue. Her mother breast fed her, and her mother before her breastfed... and as my mom puts it, WE ARE MAMMALS, DARN IT! :laugh:

Then of course, the sexualization of the breast was able to overshadow the TRUE reason women have breasts. Breasts are for feeding babies. If men like them, well that's not moms and babies fault, and something as healthy and right as breastfeeding should never be equated with a man's disturbed reaction to what he sees.

I have friends who didn't breast feed because they just couldn't deal with it. They felt like breasts were for their husbands and were afraid that they would get 'ruined'. And yet I'm the one who still has firm orbs after nursing 3... go figure. Maybe it's because it is just as good for mom as it is for baby... women who breast feed reduce their risk of breast cancer.

<---was probably a wet nurse in a past life

Well i like breasts and i have NEVER complained about it either, i think it is great, males and female are different, so fvcking what, i have no idea what we would do with eachother if we ware the same.

I guess it is the feminists and the moralists age, but i seriously don't care, breastfeed all you please, have sex with a multitude of partners do whatever you want, i know i will, and the immorality is in the eye of the one who judges you, before you judge me, ask yourself, who are you to judge anyone.

 

[classy]

I see nothing wrong with this as long she's covered up properly and most women do.

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: classy
I see nothing wrong with this as long she's covered up properly and most women do.

another member of "the taliban code".

Why would you care?

 

[alchemize]

And yet I'm the one who still has firm orbs after nursing 3... go figure

Good god, how did I miss this. Pics?

/me realizes he just sexualized the breast

 

[Darkhawk28]

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: classy
I see nothing wrong with this as long she's covered up properly and most women do.

another member of "the taliban code".

Why would you care?

If the women didn't cover up, I'd be wondering why, but I certainly wouldn't try to stop her. But like classy said, most women DO cover up and you see nothing.

So why is any of this an issue??? And as for DWW... :roll:

 

[abaez]

I think DWW has taken a play straight from our leaders playbook. You're either with us or against us, and there is no middle ground. Nevermind that sex is a natural thing, or masturbation or urination and defecation, everyone wants the freedom to do those things in public.

You can apply this logic to anything else.. cars can go 120mph.. but our speed limit is 65, who is to stop anyone from going 120? Sure it's unsafe, but so is urinating in public and no one should be held back from doing that if you can breast feed.. it's just natural.

 

[Hossenfeffer]

I think it's absurd that it's not allowed. It's natural, it's part of we humans as a species.

That being said, yes, I get uncomfortable if a woman breatfeeds. But I think the cause of this is simply because I'm not accustomed to seeing it.

I was on stage last year in a rather somber scene. Front-row center of the audience? Woman whips out the boob and the baby goes to town. Audience members often fail to realize that we, the actors, can see and hear them and many things can distract.

There's a bit of give and take here. If you just run around breast-feeding your baby in the open, expect that you'll run into opposition. Doesn't mean you're wrong, but try and understand where that opposition is coming from and work with/around it. I'd say do a "decent" job of keeping things discreet, but do whatcha gotta do. If that means the Johnson family down the way has to avert their eyes, so be it.

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: classy
I see nothing wrong with this as long she's covered up properly and most women do.

another member of "the taliban code".

Why would you care?

If the women didn't cover up, I'd be wondering why, but I certainly wouldn't try to stop her. But like classy said, most women DO cover up and you see nothing.

So why is any of this an issue??? And as for DWW... :roll:

No, he said "as long as they cover up" making it a requirement.

I just don't get it, it is SKIN FFS, i cannot think of a more asexual image than a mother breastfeeding.

If she DOESN'T cover up, because there is no need to do so, then i am totally ok with it.

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: alchemize

And yet I'm the one who still has firm orbs after nursing 3... go figure

Good god, how did I miss this. Pics?

/me realizes he just sexualized the breast

Bah, breasts are a turn on, but not when a mother is breastfeeding, you have to be pretty fvcked up in the head to see any sexuality in that.

 

[Lioness]

I was always discreet when I nursed in public because I knew it offended some people.

DWW: I agree with you , everything that you mentioned is human nature. The difference that you may not understand is that when a baby is hungry he/she must be fed immediately. A human response from a baby who is not being fed is crying, screaming and eventually becoming so frantic that it?s difficult to calm them down to eat. (This is all within a matter of minutes.) This oftentimes results in choking during nursing.

What makes your description in the acts of human nature in public different than that of feeding a baby, is that unlike an adult, the meaning of ?wait until we find a private place where we can be alone and away from the public?s view? is not understood.

 

[Klixxer]

I don't get WHY it offends some people, i mean, today we have a society where silicone pumped girls go out of their way to show their breasts off without taking their top off, they pull their thongs up high and wear low cut jeans to show it off, this is not offensive, but a mother feeding her child IS?

I mean, it is not as if you can actually see anything but some skin of the breast, is THAT so horrible?

Christ, i just wish the moral majority could burn in hell and let mothers breastfeed without worrying about some nutjob finding it offensive.

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: Klixxer
I don't get WHY it offends some people, i mean, today we have a society where silicone pumped girls go out of their way to show their breasts off without taking their top off, they pull their thongs up high and wear low cut jeans to show it off, this is not offensive, but a mother feeding her child IS?

I mean, it is not as if you can actually see anything but some skin of the breast, is THAT so horrible?

Christ, i just wish the moral majority could burn in hell and let mothers breastfeed without worrying about some nutjob finding it offensive.

I'm offended by obese teenagers in belly shirts, their corn-product-fed (sorry Corn) flab hanging over their lowriders, stretch-marks looking like a map of the Amazon. Can we ban those first?

edit to remove "much more", since I"m not offended by breastfeeding in the least. Of course, my wife is a la leche league leader so we have massive breastfeeding parties at my house once a month. Believe me, they don't bother covering up for me.

 

[Lioness]

I don't get WHY it offends some people

Unfortunately it does. Such a beautiful thing offends so many people. It's amazing.

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: Klixxer
I don't get WHY it offends some people, i mean, today we have a society where silicone pumped girls go out of their way to show their breasts off without taking their top off, they pull their thongs up high and wear low cut jeans to show it off, this is not offensive, but a mother feeding her child IS?

I mean, it is not as if you can actually see anything but some skin of the breast, is THAT so horrible?

Christ, i just wish the moral majority could burn in hell and let mothers breastfeed without worrying about some nutjob finding it offensive.

I'm offended by obese teenagers in belly shirts, their corn-product-fed (sorry Corn) flab hanging over their lowriders, stretch-marks looking like a map of the Amazon. Can we ban those first?

edit to remove "much more", since I"m not offended by breastfeeding in the least. Of course, my wife is a la leche league leader so we have massive breastfeeding parties at my house once a month. Believe me, they don't bother covering up for me.

That's because they know you don't care.

No real man does.

I think we have found something we agree on, as different as our opinions are in other matters.

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: Lioness

I don't get WHY it offends some people

Unfortunately it does. Such a beautiful thing offends so many people. It's amazing.

I agree, it's amazing how people can be offended by it, especially considering that they have experienced it first hand, ALL of them.

What people don't get is that that is just what it is, not a woman flashing her breasts, it is a mother feeding her child.

I guess you have to be a parent to understand the beauty of it.

 

[alchemize]

Someone asked what 40 states...here is a summary of the laws out there:

Link


Here is the relevant illinois statute:

Section 10. Breastfeeding Location. A mother may breastfeed her baby in any location, public or private, where the mother is otherwise authorized to be, irrespective of whether the nipple of the mother's breast is uncovered during or incidental to the breastfeeding; however, a mother considering whether to breastfeed her baby in a place of worship shall comport her behavior with the norms appropriatein that place of worship.

Section 15. Private right of action. A woman who has been denied the right to breastfeed by the owner or manager of a public or private location, other than a private residence or place of worship, may bring an action to enjoin future denials of the right to breastfeed. If the woman prevails in her suit, she shall be awarded reasonable attorney's fees and reasonable expenses of litigation.

Other relevant illinois law:

720 ILCS 5/11-9,
1995 ILL. ALS 59;

Sec. 11-9. Public indecency. (a) Any person of the age of 17 years and upwards who performs any of the following acts in a public place commits a public indecency: ...

(2) A lewd exposure of the body done with intent to arouse or to satisfy the sexual desire of the person. Breast-feeding of infants is not an act of public indecency.

And here's a Foxnews opinion article from today. A bit of annoying article IMHO. She basically argues that the laws fall into 2 categories a) property rights and b) civil rights. It's been firmly established that states can pass laws to define how private establishments operate (health laws, smoking/non-smoking, etc.). RE civil rights, if disabled are a protected class, isn't a child that cannot feed itself disabled? I didn't realize there was a bill out there to add breastfeeding mothers to the civil rights act of 1964. I certainly hope it passes

People who do not embrace the sight of breastfeeding are deemed to be anti-mother or anti-baby when they may be simply anti-rudeness.

Anti-rudeness? Breastfeeding a child is rude? Give me a break. I'll be unleashing the wife and her BF cabal on this gal - the emails will fly!