Backing out of the whole thing procedurally is pretty easy. We just say we arent leaving and everyone pretends this debacle never happened. They can do this with or without a new referendum.
The problem is most of the Tories want to leave, May is utterly wet and wont stand up for what she believes (she was a remainer before she realised that being a brexiteer gave her a better job), and the leader of the opposition has been anti EU for as long as hes been in politics (he voted against joining the EEC and has been eurosceptic ever since).
The only way we'll have another referendum or decide not to leave is if all the politicians suddenly admit that they are utterly incompetent and cant organise anything.
Is May getting anything else done (non-Brexit
Speaking of pints, I hope the British public realizes that a no-deal Brexit will likely result in Guinness skyrocketing in price or disappearing from the pub entirely (for a while).
Wetherspoons is a weird pub chain. Some of the pubs are lovely, some are tramp filled dives of stickiness! They are all cheap and have shit food though.Oh don't worry, the Brexiteer Wetherspoons guy (Wetherspoons is a chain of so-so pubs in the UK) is trying to sort out a load of locally sourced equivalents, because we don't need icky foreign stuff.
I fell out of my chair.This was a no win scenario. The no Brexiters would never be satisfied with brexit.
The pro brexiters would never be satisfied unless they got everything, a pony and a side order of hookers and blackjack.
No way May was going to thread that needle when she had to make a deal in the real world.
Although for a laugh (even if you find it gallows humor) check this out if you haven’t seen it yet:
"We used to be richer than each pre-european country individually, so surely if we now leave the EU, we will be richer than all the post-EU countries combined".A lot of Brexiters still seem to be of the 'fog in channel, continent cut-off' mentality. Convinced that the EU will now be desperate to offer concessions. As if our own political paralysis is a trump card (rather than a Trump card, which is something else entirely). We're pointing a gun at our own head while declaring that we now have them where we want them (presumably on the grounds we now have a hostage - admittedly the bullet will probably be a through-and-through and hit Ireland next).
May has one of the worst jobs on the planet right now. I suspect that Losing the No Confidence had an attraction to her.
May has one of the worst jobs on the planet right now. I suspect that Losing the No Confidence had an attraction to her.
Nah, she knew she'd win it - Tories don't vote themselves out of power. I don't understand her at all. No idea what motivates her to keep going. She's barely competent, she screws one thing up after another, but she is dogged and doesn't run away from responsibility like the likes of Boris Johnson.
I also think she's somewhat, passively, racist, given her past record as Home Secretary. Not Trump-level racism but an unthnking provincial white middle-class English sort of racism. That takes away any sympathy I might feel for her impossible job. Plus the job might be impossible, but she still manages to be not very good at it.
You had me at "tramp filled dives".Wetherspoons is a weird pub chain. Some of the pubs are lovely, some are tramp filled dives of stickiness! They are all cheap and have shit food though.
Thats the traditional British usage of the word "tramp" not the American unfortunately!You had me at "tramp filled dives".
Thats the traditional British usage of the word "tramp" not the American unfortunately!
A hard Brexit is just going to be the default if Parliament cant get its arse in gear. I have no faith at all in Parliament agreeing on what they want never mind getting the EU to agree with it.IMO the only way a hard brexit gets through is via a second referendum and making Trump and the Russians look like a bunch of fucking amateurs at the fake news game.
A hard Brexit is just going to be the default if Parliament cant get its arse in gear. I have no faith at all in Parliament agreeing on what they want never mind getting the EU to agree with it.
Looking to me, from the outside, that it's going to be either hard brexit or a postponement/new referendum. I guess a lot depends on whether the EU would even grant a postponement, most people I've read think they won't unless it's for something as concrete as a new ref. Fascinating stuff, and yes the political will toward self-destruction seems even greater than our current Senate (which takes some doing).
No deal isn't something you agree to, its what happens when you cant agree on anything. And its looking increasingly likely that nothings going to be agreed to.I agree with you with regard to parliament agreeing on what they want from brexit, but agreeing on what they don't want seems to have gained some traction recently.
And as much talk as May is on the topic of no-deal, I think she'll bottle out every time because she knows most of her party absolutely won't support it, let alone the rest of parliament, and that's just aside from knowing the damage it would do if it went ahead.
No deal isn't something you agree to, its what happens when you cant agree on anything. And its looking increasingly likely that nothings going to be agreed to.