It's the principle of the thing, Goddamnit! Once you've been snookered you should stay that way!
I don't really get the 'fairness' argument. The UK voted to leave the EU in 2016. In the two years since the populace has gotten new information that shows leaving is a really bad idea. On what sane planet do people ignore that information and undertake an enormously harmful policy in order to abide by a vote they don't even support anymore?
Obviously, they voted Cameron and the rest of the Tories into the parliament.Please. Blame the voters. Brexit is muy stupido.
Parliament just voted down May’s “revised” deal. So it’s hard Brexit or no Brexit now. EU looks really done negotiating.
The third option is a second referendum (with either three options: "no deal", "May deal" and "remain", or two options: "May deal" and "remain"), but I'm not sure what the logic of that is when May's deal has already been kicked to the curb by Parliament.
I wonder whether a second referendum is still a real possibility for the Tories to save face at this point, because this is getting embarrassing for them.
The strangest part of all of this farce is how Brexiteers look like the biggest bunch of freaking losers despite winning the referendum; one would have thought that they would be on the front lines of coming up with ideas for deals and negotiating, jetting off to the European mainland every 5 minutes to discuss ideas, but instead they've spent two years sulking.
Is that the strangest part, or the DUP's angle in all of this, or May's angle, or that what the politics of this whole situation ought to be the simplest bit to understand - certainly versus the nature of untangling ourselves from the European bureaucracy - yet that seems to be the simplest element. Politically most of the major players seem to have got their parts mixed up. I just don't get it.
It's almost like the Brexiteers, much like conservatives in America over the last decade or so were just grifters who made their names by shrieking incoherently about subjects they didn't understand. The only problem is they were too good at the con job and actually won power, at which point the fact that they were lying the whole time was no longer possible to escape. So what did they do? Flail about ineffectually because they never had any other answers to begin with.
Just look at the Affordable Care Act. Republicans claimed for basically a decade straight that they had a super great health plan that would replace the ACA with better, more affordable care for everyone. When they got total control of government two things happened: 1) it became obvious that they were lying about having a plan and 2) that they had no idea how to come up with one that wasn't a disaster.
Parliament just voted down May’s “revised” deal. So it’s hard Brexit or no Brexit now. EU looks really done negotiating.
Parliament is set to vote Wednesday on whether to reject the prospect of a “no-deal” Brexit, and to vote Thursday on whether to seek a postponement of the March 29 deadline.
The bloc would have to agree to a postponement, which appears likely, but the duration of such a delay is uncertain.
This article says there is a possibility to extend the deadline and that the EU appears receptive:
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/12/world/europe/theresa-may-brexit-vote.html
The problem for the UK is they didn’t have Trump to make a great deal.
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The reality is even within the pro brexit camp there isn’t a majority opinion of what a good deal is. So with almost half completely opposed to brexit there is no way forward for May to come up with any deal that can majority approval in parliament.
This article says there is a possibility to extend the deadline and that the EU appears receptive:
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/12/world/europe/theresa-may-brexit-vote.html
Too dark for me.Well at least we can take Pyrrhic comfort in the fact that the U.K. government is almost as dysfunctional as our own...
I guess?
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The only plausible reason I could see the EU getting behind an extension is the hope that it’s just extended indefinitely and everybody agrees to basically just forget the last couple years ever happened. The EU isn’t going to cough up any more concessions and the UK political gridlock isn’t likely to abate.
Quite a few EU members are at risk of notable negative economic impacts - particularly Ireland, Belgium, Netherlands and Germany. A hard Brexit hits them harder as well so they have a vested interest in that not happening
The only plausible reason I could see the EU getting behind an extension is the hope that it’s just extended indefinitely and everybody agrees to basically just forget the last couple years ever happened. The EU isn’t going to cough up any more concessions and the UK political gridlock isn’t likely to abate.
Either way the Brexiteers win.
If the UK crashes out without a deal, mission accomplished!
If the UK delays or stays in, they get to moan about how Brexit was betrayed/hijacked. As far as I'm aware, no one in the negotiations was an actual Brexiteer (May was on the Remain side, after all). The most provocative Brexiteers like the UKIP imploded as soon as there was actual work that needed to be done. They got to cause this entire mess and took none of the responsibility.
That's kinda what happened isn't it? Maybe 5th grade, but no higherAmerican dealings seem about as complicated as electing a 3rd grade class president.
It's almost like the Brexiteers, much like conservatives in America over the last decade or so were just grifters who made their names by shrieking incoherently about subjects they didn't understand. The only problem is they were too good at the con job and actually won power, at which point the fact that they were lying the whole time was no longer possible to escape. So what did they do? Flail about ineffectually because they never had any other answers to begin with.
Just look at the Affordable Care Act. Republicans claimed for basically a decade straight that they had a super great health plan that would replace the ACA with better, more affordable care for everyone. When they got total control of government two things happened: 1) it became obvious that they were lying about having a plan and 2) that they had no idea how to come up with one that wasn't a disaster.
Accidental Joy Division?She's lost control again.
Plus it's always easier to destroy than build.