Brexit Deal Voted down in "Historic Defeat" according to BBC News site (Brexit still happening but PM May is in trouble)

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zinfamous

No Lifer
Jul 12, 2006
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A large proportion of trumpers will never recover, they're just too invested.

like trump, they will never admit they made a mistake.

fuckholes still worship Reagan more than Jesus, to this day--I mean, that piece of shit was probably the worst president ever, until fucking Trump. and they worship that unconscionable piece of traitorous shit.
 

WelshBloke

Lifer
Jan 12, 2005
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Yup, while it's a dick move, it's not an unprovoked dick move.
It kinda is in this case.
The UK is one of the only countries that genetically sequences a significant proportion of its swab tests.
Plus if you look at where this variant cropped up in Britain it's pretty obvious that this came from Europe to Britain through France or Holland.
 

Ajay

Lifer
Jan 8, 2001
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It kinda is in this case.
The UK is one of the only countries that genetically sequences a significant proportion of its swab tests.
Plus if you look at where this variant cropped up in Britain it's pretty obvious that this came from Europe to Britain through France or Holland.
LOL - France! That's some pretty fine irony!
 

pmv

Lifer
May 30, 2008
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It kinda is in this case.
The UK is one of the only countries that genetically sequences a significant proportion of its swab tests.
Plus if you look at where this variant cropped up in Britain it's pretty obvious that this came from Europe to Britain through France or Holland.

We are just natural innovators - Merseybeat, punk, chicken tikka pizza - even our viruses are original.

(Just wait till the US gets to work on it - they will doubtless find a way to combine it with either heavy-metal riffs or HFCS - that's what they do with everything else)
 

IronWing

No Lifer
Jul 20, 2001
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We are just natural innovators - Merseybeat, punk, chicken tikka pizza - even our viruses are original.

(Just wait till the US gets to work on it - they will doubtless find a way to combine it with either heavy-metal riffs or HFCS - that's what they do with everything else)
An interesting thing happened when the US broke up its sugar cartel and ended price supports for sugar. Sugar became price competitive with HFCS again and many manufacturers are moving back to sugar. The biggest political block pushing to end Big Sugar wasn't the health nuts but the environmentalists who were working to restore the Everglades ecosystem.
 

MrSquished

Lifer
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A 56 second song called Boris Johnson is a Fucking C**t has a chance at being the Christmas #1 this year. If you ever watched Love Actually, the Christmas #1 song is kind of a big deal in jolly ole England

 

hal2kilo

Lifer
Feb 24, 2009
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A 56 second song called Boris Johnson is a Fucking C**t has a chance at being the Christmas #1 this year. If you ever watched Love Actually, the Christmas #1 song is kind of a big deal in jolly ole England

As they say over there, brilliant!
 
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mikeymikec

Lifer
May 19, 2011
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A brexit deal has been reached.

The BBC's summary of their understanding of it so far:

A choice quote though from this article:

Parliament will sit on 30 December to vote on the trade deal.
Dr Joelle Grogan, senior lecturer in law at Middlesex University London, told BBC News: "To put this in real context, if I spend the next five days before Parliament is recalled on Wednesday spending 10 hours a day just reading that document, I will have a maximum of two minutes and 30 seconds to fully understand, analyse and comment on it."

Reading the BBC summary, I'm at a loss to find a single point in favour of Brexit. Brexiteers no doubt will cheer over this point:

"The UK will no longer be bound by judgements made by the European Court of Justice, Prime Minister Boris Johnson said"
 

K1052

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Aug 21, 2003
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A brexit deal has been reached.

The BBC's summary of their understanding of it so far:

A choice quote though from this article:



Reading the BBC summary, I'm at a loss to find a single point in favour of Brexit. Brexiteers no doubt will cheer over this point:

"The UK will no longer be bound by judgements made by the European Court of Justice, Prime Minister Boris Johnson said"

Um unless I'm missing something all this seems to do is make life more complicated, inconvenient, and probably expensive for everyone in the UK who may travel, work, or do business in the EU.

But yay blue passports (which are important for reasons I cannot begin to fathom)?
 
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mikeymikec

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Um unless I'm missing something all this seems to do is make life more complicated, inconvenient, and probably expensive for everyone in the UK who may travel, work, or do business in the EU.

Maybe we're both missing something, but IMO it does seem to be a deal made purely out of obligation rather than opportunity.

To no-one's great surprise, The Daily Telegraph's entire web front page is dedicated to celebrating this event and spinning it in its most positive light. I'd delve a little deeper out of morbid curiosity but it's a paywall site.
 
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Veliko

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Feb 16, 2011
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Yes, the celebrations for this deal are utterly bizarre.

No-one outside of those directly involved will have read the 2000+ pages.

About the only real thing we know is that we're worse off than we were before.
 

sdifox

No Lifer
Sep 30, 2005
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Yes, the celebrations for this deal are utterly bizarre.

No-one outside of those directly involved will have read the 2000+ pages.

About the only real thing we know is that we're worse off than we were before.


It's the band on the Titanic playing while sinking.
 
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mikeymikec

Lifer
May 19, 2011
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Well, at least a free trade deal means that the UK won't fall to bits dramatically. The decline of the UK was inevitable as long as we continue to embrace conservatism.
 

Greenman

Lifer
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Well, at least a free trade deal means that the UK won't fall to bits dramatically. The decline of the UK was inevitable as long as we continue to embrace conservatism.
The reality is the UK has been declining for a very long time, you folks used to pretty much run the world. Regardless of all that, at least the matter is for the most settled.
 

sdifox

No Lifer
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The reality is the UK has been declining for a very long time, you folks used to pretty much run the world. Regardless of all that, at least the matter is for the most settled.

nope, they decided they want to be able to renegotiate parts of it whenever they feel like it. so it will be a constant drama.
 
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Greenman

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nope, they decided they want to be able to renegotiate parts of it whenever they feel like it. so it will be a constant drama.
Like I said, it's for the most part settled.
They can spend the next centaury squabbling over details if that's what they want.
 

fskimospy

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Mar 10, 2006
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The reality is the UK has been declining for a very long time, you folks used to pretty much run the world. Regardless of all that, at least the matter is for the most settled.
The UK has been in a position of relative decline as larger and more powerful countries asserted themselves but now it looks like they may be in absolute decline. It’s hard to see Brexit as anything other than the UK shooting its own dick off. Not at all out of the question that Scotland secedes and ends the UK as we have known it. Probably see finance move onto the continent more as London becomes a less attractive place to do business, etc.

This really was the UK’s Trump moment - a bunch of old people got mad that people weren’t respecting them enough and decided to fuck their country out of spite.
 

pmv

Lifer
May 30, 2008
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The UK has been in a position of relative decline as larger and more powerful countries asserted themselves but now it looks like they may be in absolute decline. It’s hard to see Brexit as anything other than the UK shooting its own dick off. Not at all out of the question that Scotland secedes and ends the UK as we have known it. Probably see finance move onto the continent more as London becomes a less attractive place to do business, etc.

This really was the UK’s Trump moment - a bunch of old people got mad that people weren’t respecting them enough and decided to fuck their country out of spite.


It does seem that it was largely the work of those Boomers again. Any UKIP demo you see a sea of grey.

Though even to the end the EU continues to be hard to love. E.g. their failure to do anything about Poland and Hungary gradually ceasing to be liberal democracies.

 

sdifox

No Lifer
Sep 30, 2005
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It does seem that it was largely the work of those Boomers again. Any UKIP demo you see a sea of grey.

Though even to the end the EU continues to be hard to love. E.g. their failure to do anything about Poland and Hungary gradually ceasing to be liberal democracies.



You can't complain about UE allowing regional autonomy and say UK was under EU heels at the same time...
 
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