Well I'm not. I'm only doing one of those things!
Besides, there's "regional automomy" and there's finding yourself in 'ever closer union' with a country that isn't meeting the basic membership requirements of the club.
You can't complain about UE allowing regional autonomy and say UK was under EU heels at the same time...
I guess that's what happens when there are more old voters than young ones. Or maybe just more old voters that actually voted. Regardless, it's what was voted for. I hope it works out well for them.The UK has been in a position of relative decline as larger and more powerful countries asserted themselves but now it looks like they may be in absolute decline. It’s hard to see Brexit as anything other than the UK shooting its own dick off. Not at all out of the question that Scotland secedes and ends the UK as we have known it. Probably see finance move onto the continent more as London becomes a less attractive place to do business, etc.
This really was the UK’s Trump moment - a bunch of old people got mad that people weren’t respecting them enough and decided to fuck their country out of spite.
You can’t put a price tag on freedumb.Um unless I'm missing something all this seems to do is make life more complicated, inconvenient, and probably expensive for everyone in the UK who may travel, work, or do business in the EU.
Well I'm not. I'm only doing one of those things!
Besides, there's "regional automomy" and there's finding yourself in 'ever closer union' with a country that isn't meeting the basic membership requirements of the club.
The reality is the UK has been declining for a very long time
Look at the bright side, if things go really wrong you'll be voting for Brenter in just a few short years.Uh, you unintentionally backed up the point I was making.
Look at the bright side, if things go really wrong you'll be voting for Brenter in just a few short years.
I assume the UK will survive in some form, though I suppose a missive depression with hording, food riots, and a military take over is possible. But should it come to that it seems like rejoining the EU would be a popular choice.You mean, ignoring the consequences of "if things go really wrong", and assuming for a moment that Brexiteers do anything but blame others for the predicament?
The UK has been in a position of relative decline as larger and more powerful countries asserted themselves but now it looks like they may be in absolute decline. It’s hard to see Brexit as anything other than the UK shooting its own dick off. Not at all out of the question that Scotland secedes and ends the UK as we have known it. Probably see finance move onto the continent more as London becomes a less attractive place to do business, etc.
This really was the UK’s Trump moment - a bunch of old people got mad that people weren’t respecting them enough and decided to fuck their country out of spite.
The UK has been in a position of relative decline as larger and more powerful countries asserted themselves but now it looks like they may be in absolute decline. It’s hard to see Brexit as anything other than the UK shooting its own dick off. Not at all out of the question that Scotland secedes and ends the UK as we have known it. Probably see finance move onto the continent more as London becomes a less attractive place to do business, etc.
This really was the UK’s Trump moment - a bunch of old people got mad that people weren’t respecting them enough and decided to fuck their country out of spite.
Unification of Ireland is also a distinct possibility. 2016 was a banner year for Russian psyops. Neither the Brexiteers or the Trumpsters could have done it without them. Their exploitation of social media was brilliant, audacious & truly masterful. When a significant portion of a target society wants to charge off in some stupid direction, get behind them & push. Bandwagon the Hell out of it. Even when they lose, it weakens the other side.
I think reunification is inevitable, it will happen, be good for the Irish and not so good for the UK, at least in the short term. Same with the Scottish independence movement.I find it hard to see reunification as other than a good thing, really (and a belated victory for my late, Irish, pre-partition-IRA-supporting great-grandmother!)
I find it intriguing what both Trump and Brexit say about the divisions within the ruling classes. The clear divergence between the Kochs and Trump, for example.
There are clearly two different factions of the affluent elite there. Those who helped design an international system to protect elite American interests, and those who now see that system as part of the problem, and something to reject and dismantle. It's hard not to see the latter as just irrational, but maybe the effects of 'culture' are often hard to distinguish from madness?
It was, after all, the same right-wing newspapers who campaigned for Brexit who supported a pro-EEC vote in the previous referendum. The Tories took us in and then they wanted us out. Just as the US elites designed the post-war global trade system and now some of them have decided they want to smash it up. I find this confusing.
I think reunification is inevitable, it will happen, be good for the Irish and not so good for the UK, at least in the short term. Same with the Scottish independence movement.
I think it’s a mistake to ascribe much ideology to Trump. He’s a grifter with no real principles - I’m confident if he was informed he could stay in power by reversing his positions he would.I find it hard to see reunification as other than a good thing, really (and a belated victory for my late, Irish, pre-partition-IRA-supporting great-grandmother!)
I find it intriguing what both Trump and Brexit say about the divisions within the ruling classes. The clear divergence between the Kochs and Trump, for example.
There are clearly two different factions of the affluent elite there. Those who helped design an international system to protect elite American interests, and those who now see that system as part of the problem, and something to reject and dismantle. It's hard not to see the latter as just irrational, but maybe the effects of 'culture' are often hard to distinguish from madness?
It was, after all, the same right-wing newspapers who campaigned for Brexit who supported a pro-EEC vote in the previous referendum. The Tories took us in and then they wanted us out. Just as the US elites designed the post-war global trade system and now some of them have decided they want to smash it up. I find this confusing.
I think it’s a mistake to ascribe much ideology to Trump. He’s a grifter with no real principles - I’m confident if he was informed he could stay in power by reversing his positions he would.
The only thing Trump seems to genuinely care about other than himself is his racism. He has been extremely consistent on that his whole life.
I don't think it's necessary for Trump to have anything like a coherent, thought-through, ideology, (something I'm sure he's not capable of coming up with) to conclude that he must represent something.
Seems to me that any successful political player has to be representative of something, some demographic or sectional-interest or even an abstract socio-economic "force". People vote for him, fund him, and the likes of Giulian and that other even-crazier lawyer go out and do his dirty work for him, and that has to mean something. Racism might be a big part of that something, at least in explaining the first of those pillars of support, but does that fully explain the other two?
I think Hillary wants her dossier back.Unification of Ireland is also a distinct possibility. 2016 was a banner year for Russian psyops. Neither the Brexiteers or the Trumpsters could have done it without them. Their exploitation of social media was brilliant, audacious & truly masterful. When a significant portion of a target society wants to charge off in some stupid direction, get behind them & push. Bandwagon the Hell out of it. Even when they lose, it weakens the other side.
That is super fascinating, tell us more please.I think Hillary wants her dossier back.
Donald Trump and Russia when thinking about the heads of Democrats: It's free real estate.
These two geniuses explain why they voted to leave.
You appear to be suffering from Low TI think Hillary wants her dossier back.
Donald Trump and Russia when thinking about the heads of Democrats: It's free real estate.
That movie with Benedict Cumberbatch does a lovely job explaining why this happened.These two geniuses explain why they voted to leave.
What Trump stands for exists only in the imaginations of his adherents. Ask a thousand of them & you'll get a thousand different answers. He is simply the embodiment of their hopes & fears, their pride & contrariness, their irrational sense of what it means to be free.
I just don't find that a very satisfying explanation! How did they acquire that perverse idea of 'freedom'?