Brexit: How the Conservative Right screwed England and makes Trump/Republican incompetencies look small

[Commodus]

But that implies that entire industry's simply pretended that nothing would change. Why would they do that? Why wouldn't they be looking at the requirements necessary to continue their operations? It's difficult for me to accept that entire industry's are this inept.

I don't think it's that they pretended it wouldn't change as didn't understand it would change. That the government would sort everything out and business would carry on, just under a different trade deal. It doesn't help that there was a lot of uncertainty as the Conservatives struggled to reach a deal and only secured one at the last minute.

Like with Trump's election, the Brexit vote was a short-term "smash the system" vote without any real understanding of how that system would be replaced... and in many cases, the people filling the vacuum are worse than the prior establishment.

 

[woolfe9998]

Bad as Brexit was handled, there is nothing on this planet that makes "Trump/Republican incompetencies look small."

 

[sdifox]

Bad as Brexit was handled, there is nothing on this planet that makes "Trump/Republican incompetencies look small."

BREXIT has far more impact than Trump.

 

[MrSquished]

I think you missed a couple of things that come out of low population density areas. Things like the food you eat, the materials used to build your entire world, the oil that runs pretty much everything.

Yes. Good stuff comes from rural areas, but politically speaking, it's usually regressive and terrible. This is about politics, not produce.

 

[Artorias]

You will find that nationalistic xenophobia to be one of the driving forces of Brexit, not rational logical thinking.

Leaving the EU now grants the UK the right to police their own borders strictly. No more immigrant/migrant quotas to meet.

I guess they all better hope it was worth it economically.

 

[sdifox]

You will find that nationalistic xenophobia to be one of the driving forces of Brexit, not rational logical thinking.

Leaving the EU now grants the UK the right to police their own borders strictly. No more immigrant/migrant quotas to meet.

I guess they all better hope it was worth it economically.

UK had a labour shortage so a lot of people went to work in UK, they left now that jobs are gone or rule change meant they can no longer work in UK.

 

[fskimospy]

You will find that nationalistic xenophobia to be one of the driving forces of Brexit, not rational logical thinking.

Leaving the EU now grants the UK the right to police their own borders strictly. No more immigrant/migrant quotas to meet.

I guess they all better hope it was worth it economically.

To me one of the saddest parts of Brexit is that the people who voted to leave were generally pretty old, and the young wanted to remain. With this like so much else in the world the boomers fucked it up and are going to leave the following generations to clean up their mess.

 

[darkswordsman17]

Yes. Good stuff comes from rural areas, but politically speaking, it's usually regressive and terrible. This is about politics, not produce.

Once modern factory farms (as in ones where we grow produce under special lighting 24 hours a day, in clean facilities, using just the right amount of water and nutrients, picking them nearer peak ripeness, and because they'll be grown more locally saving transport issues - time and refrigeration/etc we end up with better quality, fresher, cleaner produce) takes off, rural areas will be offering little to nothing of value for the rest of the country.

Hell the rural Kansas area I grew up in was already basically just growing crops (corn, wheat, soybeans, etc) that go into highly refined foods. Like dog food, which interestingly is also one of the other few major industries in the area (I think there were like 10 dog food plants in like a 60 mile circumference circle around there). Also interesting, I don't think much of the locally grown crops actually ended up going into those factories even.

Most of the other factories in those places are moving (the small towns in that area used to have like 5 factories of various industries each and many of them either have been moved near an urban center or was openly known that the corporation had been actively looking at doing that for years already).

UK had a labour shortage so a lot of people went to work in UK, they left now that jobs are gone or rule change meant they can no longer work in UK.

Britain pulled an Alabama (or was it Mississippi? Maybe both?) where they decided it was somehow the faults of all the immigrants, so they decided to crackdown on it, and its just going to hurt themselves while the immigrants move wherever the jobs go.

It really is astonishing how much like rural America England outside of London is. Which, hey, I get it somewhat, the world changed really quickly on them. But to spite themselves instead of seeking out what changes work with/for them (imagine if rural areas, especially the ones producing coal, oil, and other energy products had embraced transitioning to green energy decades back).

 

[MrSquished]

Fashion industry joins the chorus

UK fashion industry facing ‘decimation’ over Brexit trade deal

More than 400 leading figures send letter to PM demanding urgent action on red tape

www.ft.com

UK fashion industry facing ‘decimation’ over Brexit trade deal
More than 400 leading figures send letter to PM demanding urgent action on red tape

 

[brycejones]

Fashion industry joins the chorus

UK fashion industry facing ‘decimation’ over Brexit trade deal

More than 400 leading figures send letter to PM demanding urgent action on red tape

www.ft.com

UK fashion industry facing ‘decimation’ over Brexit trade deal
More than 400 leading figures send letter to PM demanding urgent action on red tape

It’s almost like there are consequences for leaving a free trading block.

 

[WelshBloke]

I'm an ardent remainer. I liked being part of the EU for cultural reasons but also because it worked like a political buffer on the worst of British politics.

That said the whole vaccine debacle in the EU has made it impossible to ignore some of the arguments that the Brexit lot were making. The EU is a hideously inefficient political machine that works at a glacial pace and is hamstrung by having to keep too many countries happy to get anything done.

 

[Jhhnn]

I'm an ardent remainer. I liked being part of the EU for cultural reasons but also because it worked like a political buffer on the worst of British politics.

That said the whole vaccine debacle in the EU has made it impossible to ignore some of the arguments that the Brexit lot were making. The EU is a hideously inefficient political machine that works at a glacial pace and is hamstrung by having to keep too many countries happy to get anything done.

Brexiteers made a lot of arguments to cover for what really is Xenophobia & fear of loosing cultural identity. Forever England, cocksuckers!

 

[Veliko]

I'm an ardent remainer. I liked being part of the EU for cultural reasons but also because it worked like a political buffer on the worst of British politics.

That said the whole vaccine debacle in the EU has made it impossible to ignore some of the arguments that the Brexit lot were making. The EU is a hideously inefficient political machine that works at a glacial pace and is hamstrung by having to keep too many countries happy to get anything done.

They fucked up and rowed back on it within a day. That's pretty snappy for a hideously inefficient political machine.

Meanwhile, the UK has spent 5 or so years arguing internally on how best to shoot itself in the foot.

The vaccine debacle showed that anyone can fuck up.

I find it very odd that Brexiters are treating it as some kind of win. It's no more a victory than Dunkirk was.

 

[WelshBloke]

They fucked up and rowed back on it within a day. That's pretty snappy for a hideously inefficient political machine.

I don't mean fucking up the NI agreement, I mean the whole procurement process and funding of vaccine research.

 

[hal2kilo]

52% get what they want, 48% can go to hell wearing gasoline underwear. This is what we want, unconstrained democracy, a direct vote by the people to choose their path forward.

Who's we?

 

[hal2kilo]

You will find that nationalistic xenophobia to be one of the driving forces of Brexit, not rational logical thinking.

Leaving the EU now grants the UK the right to police their own borders strictly. No more immigrant/migrant quotas to meet.

I guess they all better hope it was worth it economically.

Sure seems that the same affliction that affect the UK is in our genes. Can't let those darker shades have any power (anywhere on the earth in the case of the UK).

 

[pmv]

A strange irony is this same government that got elected very much with the votes of former-Labour-voters who were angry about immigration and 'free movement', is strikingly-reluctant to impede foreign travel and protect the borders, with disastrous concequences for the pandemic. We now have the South African variant circulating and spreading domestically, as this government failed dismally in preventing travel to and from countries with new strains of the virus (just as it failed to stop people bringing the original virus into the country - mainly from Italy and Spain - a year ago). All the instincts of this supposed-'control the borders' government seems to be to open the borders along with the economy and everything else. Border control seems to be something they are especially incompetent at.

 

[pmv]

Sure seems that the same affliction that affect the UK is in our genes. Can't let those darker shades have any power (anywhere on the earth in the case of the UK).

I realise you are speaking metaphorically, but it seems like a very bad idea to speak in terms of 'genes' with regard to such a topic. It's a cultural trait - but in the US it seems to have always been more of a domestic issue, while in the UK it historically all happened overseas (and out-of-sight). Which I guess is why the 'left' here didn't talk much about race, it was all class and empire. While in the US it sometimes seems it's about nothing _but_ race and gender.

 

[shortylickens]

You will find that nationalistic xenophobia to be one of the driving forces of Brexit, not rational logical thinking.

Leaving the EU now grants the UK the right to police their own borders strictly. No more immigrant/migrant quotas to meet.

I guess they all better hope it was worth it economically.

I didnt know much about the background until I saw that Benedict Cumberbatch movie then went investigating. But yeah the rich people behind it just wanna protect their profit margins and they hired a professional con artist to create the whole campaign, and he relied on subversive racism and nationalism to push the agenda. The best part is he personally does not care one way or the other. It was just business.

 

[ch33zw1z]

I didnt know much about the background until I saw that Benedict Cumberbatch movie then went investigating. But yeah the rich people behind it just wanna protect their profit margins and they hired a professional con artist to create the whole campaign, and he relied on subversive racism and nationalism to push the agenda. The best part is he personally does not care one way or the other. It was just business.

If that doesn't sound familiar, lol.

 

[shortylickens]

If that doesn't sound familiar, lol.

Oh yeah and the movie makes it abundantly clear they were just copying the American Republican agenda.

 

[pmv]

I'm an ardent remainer. I liked being part of the EU for cultural reasons but also because it worked like a political buffer on the worst of British politics.

That said the whole vaccine debacle in the EU has made it impossible to ignore some of the arguments that the Brexit lot were making. The EU is a hideously inefficient political machine that works at a glacial pace and is hamstrung by having to keep too many countries happy to get anything done.

Well I've always thought there were pros and cons to the EU. I know I argued both sides during the debate (and ended up doing exactly what I predicted I would - moaning and bitching about all the problems with the EU before finally going into the ballot box and voting to remain in it). Clearly the flipside of the power that comes with numbers is the slow pace of achieving internal agreement, and the risk of the majority over-riding the interests of internal minorities. The Number One reason for voting remain, for me, was just the sheer untrustworthy malevolence of those leading the charge for leaving. Since the vote I've become more hostile to Brexit because of hearing so many Brexiters on radio call-ins and the internet, sounding completely nuts (has a group ever seemed so angry after winning?). But I also am still not convinced the EU won't eventually fall apart anyway. Plus the current state of the US is not a great advert for bringing disparate groups together in a single nation.

 

[obidamnkenobi]

I didnt know much about the background until I saw that Benedict Cumberbatch movie

wait, what movie?

 

[brandonbull]

Seems like Brexit caused the UK to be miles ahead of the EU in COVID vaccinations. Even Trump was overseeing a better vaccination program than the EU. LOL!

 

[UNCjigga]

wait, what movie?

The Brexit movie... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brexit:_The_Uncivil_War