Brexit: How the Conservative Right screwed England and makes Trump/Republican incompetencies look small

[K1052]

They should have polled "Would use the nation's nuclear weapons against itself" for one of the even if it caused it questions. I suspect you'd still get a Conservative majority in favor.

Scotland is going to bolt and maybe Northern Ireland too once they get a good taste of reality.

 

[MrSquished]

more oopsies https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/18/busi..._source=twCNN&utm_content=2021-01-18T20:09:26

Scottish fisherman parked their trucks near UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson's office at 10 Downing Street on Monday to protest post-Brexit red tape they say has made it almost impossible to sell British seafood to the European Union.

 

[dawp]

Brexiters are waking up to the damage they've done | Polly Toynbee

From horse racing to fishing to road haulage, British industry is in chaos. No wonder leavers are turning on each other, says Guardian columnist Polly Toynbee

www.theguardian.com

not just fishermen are feeling the pain

 

[shortylickens]

this is old news. for weeks at least I've been watching news reports of people whining about how their trade and business is fucked up because of exiting the European Union. The vast majority of people with some sort of international trade were Pro-Brexit.

That asshole did an amazing job bullshitting people. Dominic Cummings was his name I think.

 

[Phokus]

LMAO, watching retards get their comeuppance makes me want to touch my self

 

[sdifox]

This is only the start, more pain to follow.

 

[UNCjigga]

Another great summary of the pain of Brexit thus far—especially like how those voting Leave are bearing the brunt of their “deal”.

The bill for Boris Johnson’s Brexit is coming in and it’s punishingly steep | Andrew Rawnsley

Ministers say it is just teething trouble. To many businesses it feels more like root canal surgery without the benefit of anaesthetic

www.theguardian.com

The bill for Mr Johnson’s Brexit is coming in and that bill is a punishingly steep one. It is being paid by the fishing fleets in Scotland and the West Country that are tied up because they are unable to export their catch. It is being paid in a slump in activity at Welsh ports because the trade they used to handle is being diverted to France and Spain. It is being paid in billions of pounds worth of transactions disappearing from the City of London, which may not be much loved by all that many Britons but employs a million people, because the deal was so threadbare for the financial sector. It is being paid in car manufacturers shutting down some production because they can’t get parts across borders in time. It is being paid in tonnes of British meat exports rotting at European harbours. It is being paid by many UK businesses, especially the kind of smaller, exporting enterprises that the Tories always profess to love, which are being overwhelmed by the heavy burdens and high costs of the thin deal the prime minister rushed through parliament at the turn of the year.

Some of the funnier post-Brexit woes:

- I smiled to see that Roger Daltrey, the Leave-supporting lead singer of the Who, has joined the chorus of rock stars furious that the post-Brexit visa rules will ruin their prospects of touring across the Channel.
- A Dutch TV report, which has since gone viral, shows border officials confiscating sandwiches from motorists arriving in the Netherlands from the UK. One driver agrees to surrender the meat in his sandwich, but pleads to be allowed to hang on to the bread. The frontier guard responds: “No, everything will be confiscated. Welcome to the Brexit, sir.”

 

[pmv]

You might want to take a look at this map if you think it was only northern England that voted for Brexit

https://www.bbc.com/news/politics/eu_referendum/results

It was rural and post-industrial England that voted leave. Small towns and the old. Urban areas and the young voted remain.

Generally everything bad has always come out of low-population-density areas. The Khmer Rouge, the electoral support for Hitler and the Nazi Party, the Religious Right, Lyme disease, Ebola, Morris Dancing, Country music and Nickelback. Brexit can join that list.

 

[pmv]

Scotland's going to go for another vote. Interestingly they are planning on doing so with-or-without Uk government permission. That's the same strategy that got the Catalan leaders arrested by the Spanish. I presume the Uk won't adopt the same approach as Spain (ironically, another way in which the UK is different from much of Europe, which is far less tolerant of dissent, a thought that stirs up my own negativity about the EU - I still don't like it, suspect that in the long-run it's doomed anyway, but leaving now under these circumstances is going to go very badly). A shame that London and urban England doesn't have the same option to just quit the UK. I suppose we're in a similar boat to US urban liberals.

 

[zinfamous]

This is what happens when you let internet memes from retards represent the intellectual basis for your entire platform.

 

[Greenman]

It's surprising to me that entire industry's weren't planning on the changes created by leaving the EU. Or that the people who regularly cross the border didn't realize it would become more difficult to do so.

 

[Greenman]

It was rural and post-industrial England that voted leave. Small towns and the old. Urban areas and the young voted remain.

Generally everything bad has always come out of low-population-density areas. The Khmer Rouge, the electoral support for Hitler and the Nazi Party, the Religious Right, Lyme disease, Ebola, Morris Dancing, Country music and Nickelback. Brexit can join that list.

I think you missed a couple of things that come out of low population density areas. Things like the food you eat, the materials used to build your entire world, the oil that runs pretty much everything.

 

[Commodus]

It's surprising to me that entire industry's weren't planning on the changes created by leaving the EU. Or that the people who regularly cross the border didn't realize it would become more difficult to do so.

I'd argue that's because Leave advocates weren't actually interested in the economics... it was a classic mix of mindless nationalism with xenophobia. Many people are just now realizing that they actually have to make this work on a practical level, and that gee, the EU sure made things easier.

 

[UNCjigga]

I'd argue that's because Leave advocates weren't actually interested in the economics... it was a classic mix of mindless nationalism with xenophobia. Many people are just now realizing that they actually have to make this work on a practical level, and that gee, the EU sure made things easier.

I’m pretty sure at least 3 out of every 5 voted leave thinking they’d have fewer Darkies from Syria and Northern Africa to resettle.

 

[Greenman]

I'd argue that's because Leave advocates weren't actually interested in the economics... it was a classic mix of mindless nationalism with xenophobia. Many people are just now realizing that they actually have to make this work on a practical level, and that gee, the EU sure made things easier.

But that implies that entire industry's simply pretended that nothing would change. Why would they do that? Why wouldn't they be looking at the requirements necessary to continue their operations? It's difficult for me to accept that entire industry's are this inept.

 

[fleshconsumed]

But that implies that entire industry's simply pretended that nothing would change. Why would they do that? Why wouldn't they be looking at the requirements necessary to continue their operations? It's difficult for me to accept that entire industry's are this inept.

Industries cannot negotiate new trade agreements. That's the government's job.

 

[Meghan54]

It's surprising to me that entire industry's weren't planning on the changes created by leaving the EU. Or that the people who regularly cross the border didn't realize it would become more difficult to do so.

The plural of industry is industries. You don't make industry plural by adding an apostrophe and an "S".

 

[Leymenaide]

It was rural and post-industrial England that voted leave. Small towns and the old. Urban areas and the young voted remain.

Generally everything bad has always come out of low-population-density areas. The Khmer Rouge, the electoral support for Hitler and the Nazi Party, the Religious Right, Lyme disease, Ebola, Morris Dancing, Country music and Nickelback. Brexit can join that list.

Morris Dancing?
Moderator Please note this Violation of Community Standards!
This is a personal affront to all decent beer drinking peoples.

 

[Veliko]

But that implies that entire industry's simply pretended that nothing would change. Why would they do that? Why wouldn't they be looking at the requirements necessary to continue their operations? It's difficult for me to accept that entire industry's are this inept.

They weren't entirely sure what changes were going to happen.

Everything about Brexit is a complete shitshow and solid information from the government was thin on the ground. It was also hard for businesses to be confident that the information they were being told was trustworthy.

There were also a surprising number of people/small businesses that exported to the EU (fishermen being on example), yet didn't believe that leaving the EU would negatively impact them. The mindset was "I've been selling produce to the EU for 30 years, why would Brexit stop that happening?"

They thought leaving the EU would be good for their business.

 

[Leymenaide]

They weren't entirely sure what changes were going to happen.

Everything about Brexit is a complete shitshow and solid information from the government was thin on the ground. It was also hard for businesses to be confident that the information they were being told was trustworthy.

There were also a surprising number of people/small businesses that exported to the EU (fishermen being on example), yet didn't believe that leaving the EU would negatively impact them. The mindset was "I've been selling produce to the EU for 30 years, why would Brexit stop that happening?"

They thought leaving the EU would be good for their business.

Everything on the ground was a lie not thin. They yelled frictionless trade! It was a lie right up there with the election was stolen.
There was never going to be frictionless trade without accepting E.U. standards. Granted many of the standards are written by industry as non tariff trade barriers. Britain is nothing now but a dirty poor country somewhere on a rock somewhere in the Atlantic.

 

[fskimospy]

But that implies that entire industry's simply pretended that nothing would change. Why would they do that? Why wouldn't they be looking at the requirements necessary to continue their operations? It's difficult for me to accept that entire industry's are this inept.

The trade agreement wasn't finalized until the very last minute with huge areas of vital importance completely up in the air. They couldn't prepare because they didn't know what the terms would be.

In addition, the UK government constantly lied to the country, assuring them that things would be substantially similar under a new agreement. Now you can say they were dumb to believe them (they were!) but the UK government bears a lot of responsibility for lying so egregiously, both during the campaign and while actually in power.

 

[brycejones]

But that implies that entire industry's simply pretended that nothing would change. Why would they do that? Why wouldn't they be looking at the requirements necessary to continue their operations? It's difficult for me to accept that entire industry's are this inept.

You mean they should have been prepared for the details of the agreement that was struck a few days before it went into effect? Are you really this ignorant??

 

[brycejones]

There were also a surprising number of people/small businesses that exported to the EU (fishermen being on example), yet didn't believe that leaving the EU would negatively impact them. The mindset was "I've been selling produce to the EU for 30 years, why would Brexit stop that happening?"

They thought leaving the EU would be good for their business.

So clueless like @Greenman about how shit actually works.

 

[fskimospy]

They weren't entirely sure what changes were going to happen.

Everything about Brexit is a complete shitshow and solid information from the government was thin on the ground. It was also hard for businesses to be confident that the information they were being told was trustworthy.

There were also a surprising number of people/small businesses that exported to the EU (fishermen being on example), yet didn't believe that leaving the EU would negatively impact them. The mindset was "I've been selling produce to the EU for 30 years, why would Brexit stop that happening?"

They thought leaving the EU would be good for their business.

Yes, it's also important to note that a lot of these businesses aren't giant corporations, they are relatively small operations run by people who aren't necessarily particularly smart or savvy to trade negotiations, especially considering for most of them they have operated under the common market for their most or all of their adult lives.

Brexit really shot the entire country in the dick and as far as I can tell the only thing they are really 'getting' out of it is fewer brown people. Seems like an awful lot of pain to endure just to appease your racism.

 

[pmv]

They weren't entirely sure what changes were going to happen.

Everything about Brexit is a complete shitshow and solid information from the government was thin on the ground. It was also hard for businesses to be confident that the information they were being told was trustworthy.

There were also a surprising number of people/small businesses that exported to the EU (fishermen being on example), yet didn't believe that leaving the EU would negatively impact them. The mindset was "I've been selling produce to the EU for 30 years, why would Brexit stop that happening?"

They thought leaving the EU would be good for their business.

I have to say I don't really understand the issue of fishing as it relates to Brexit. As an island nation the UK clearly lost out when joining the EU, as it lost exclusive rights to it's territorial waters (while non-EU Iceland at the same time unilaterally extended its waters and excluded British fishermen from them). But there's also the fact that in a fashion that seems quite analogous to what happened with council-house sales, many of the existing generation of fishermen took the opportunity to sell their fishing rights/quotas to foreign (including European) corporations, so they could give up fishing work and have a comfortable retirement. Just as with council-house tenants cashing in on 'right to buy' it benefited those in situ at the expense of future generations. Seems like it's maybe another of those "Boomer" things.

There's also the fact that the EU doesn't seem to have managed the fish stocks particularly well. But I suppose one can't be sure a UK that had never joined the EU would have done any better.