Brexit: How the Conservative Right screwed England and makes Trump/Republican incompetencies look small

[JEDI]

The Brexit movie... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brexit:_The_Uncivil_War

Fiction or mostly true story?

 

[UNCjigga]

Fiction or mostly true story?

Well the inquest parts are fiction and I’m sure they took some liberties with the source material, but Dominic Cummings and all the bit players are very much real.

Edit: Still available to stream on HBO/HBO Max. Fascinating look into how to develop a modern messaging strategy incorporating microtargeting and social media, Cambridge Analytica style.

 

[obidamnkenobi]

Well the inquest parts are fiction and I’m sure they took some liberties with the source material, but Dominic Cummings and all the bit players are very much real.

Edit: Still available to stream on HBO/HBO Max. Fascinating look into how to develop a modern messaging strategy incorporating microtargeting and social media, Cambridge Analytica style.

wow I'd never heard about this! Have to check it out. Saving up a few things to binge when I get HBOmax for a month (because $15 a month fuck that..)

 

[brandonbull]

The Brexit movie... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brexit:_The_Uncivil_War

Does the movie talk about how the UK-less EU pooped itself on the COVID response?

 

[shortylickens]

Does the movie talk about how the UK-less EU pooped itself on the COVID response?

That question is so stupid its not gonna be answered.

 

[pmv]

That question is so stupid its not gonna be answered.

That's because it's not a question (if it were, it would be absolutely moronic, as it's blindingly obvious the movie came out well before the pandemic, yet alone the vaccine, and was about the Brexit campaign, not subsequent history). It's instead a typical conservative contorted passive-aggressive attempt to make a point without having to actually state it explicitly and honestly (because then it could be responded to directly). I've noticed that Conservatives more-often-than-not make their points in that kind of indirect passive-aggressive sneer mode, because that makes it hard to engage with the point directly - that allows them to make themselves feel better by shoring-up their wobbly belief-system without the risk of someone tearing their 'point' apart. It's one of many ways that Conservatives are tiresome.

That said, the EU not doing well with the vaccine response just reinforces what I've always thought - that there are multiple costs and benefits to something like the EU, and it's not a simple issue. Just as there always are with any kind of choice between the strength-in-numbers of joining a group vs the flexibility of going it alone.

 

[UNCjigga]

Exports to Europe are down 68% and British producers/trade groups are livid. I guess that’s a big deal when the block as a whole is your largest trading partner, and close to 50% of all exports! Oopsie! It’s almost like they saw what happened between the West and China since WTO induction and said “hey, let’s do this trade imbalance with the EU too!!” Make no mistake—entire industries reliant on exports will die—soon—if this uncertainty continues for another year.

I guess they really didn’t see this coming with no deal—despite everyone with half a brain warning then what would happen???

 

[senseamp]

Another failed conservative experiment?
Oh no!
Anyway...

 

[brycejones]

Another failed conservative experiment?
Oh no!
Anyway...

It must be failing due to a lack of purity. We should totally repeat the experiment again but this time be really really really pure in conservative thought.

 

[senseamp]

It must be failing due to a lack of purity. We should totally repeat the experiment again but this time be really really really pure in conservative thought.

Yes, same excuse Communists used for why their ideology didn't work for 75 years.

 

[UNCjigga]

Mark’s and Spencer, other British grocers at risk of closure in EU countries. British grocers in Belgium haven’t received shipments since December.

EU bans imports of British shellfish—leaving Brit fisherman to rename species to be more marketable within their home market.

Elton John and Radiohead’s Colin Greenwood pen opeds on the horror of Brexit for up and coming British musicians who can’t tour Europe without $$$.

 

[JEDI]

Elton John and Radiohead’s Colin Greenwood pen opeds on the horror of Brexit for up and coming British musicians who can’t tour Europe without $$$.

explain?
how much more $ does it take to do a tour now vs before brexit? and why?

 

[sdifox]

explain?
how much more $ does it take to do a tour now vs before brexit? and why?

Before, hop in van drive over.
Now, you need work visa.

 

[sdifox]

Mark’s and Spencer, other British grocers at risk of closure in EU countries. British grocers in Belgium haven’t received shipments since December.

EU bans imports of British shellfish—leaving Brit fisherman to rename species to be more marketable within their home market.

Elton John and Radiohead’s Colin Greenwood pen opeds on the horror of Brexit for up and coming British musicians who can’t tour Europe without $$$.

They just need to build shellfish purification plants. Oh that would cost money? Go ask UKIP to pay for it.

 

[pmv]

Mark’s and Spencer, other British grocers at risk of closure in EU countries. British grocers in Belgium haven’t received shipments since December.

EU bans imports of British shellfish—leaving Brit fisherman to rename species to be more marketable within their home market.

Elton John and Radiohead’s Colin Greenwood pen opeds on the horror of Brexit for up and coming British musicians who can’t tour Europe without $$$.

Even this long after the Brexit vote, I still keep finding competing reasons to feel pro- or anti- EU membership. That's how I felt in the lead-up to the vote, and the feeling of constantly swinging back-and-forth has continued even after it ceased to be a live question. News like the above makes it clear that there will be very nasty economic consequences, so that's one up for thinking I was right to vote remain.

But this for example, then makes me think maybe it's not all bad to be out. Why would I want to be in "ever -closer union" with a country like Poland? They are also in the European Arrest Warrant scheme, allowing them to extradite citizens of other EU countries even if they've never even been to Poland (though fortunately I don't think that would apply here, as long as there's no law against 'hurting the national pride of Poland' in the EU country you are residing in).

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...locaust-research-historians-ordered-apologise

 

[JEDI]

Ireland is part of the EU.
before Brexit, people in Ireland and Northern Ireland can travel freely between the 2 countries as people can travel between states in the USA.

Now that England has left the EU, there should be the same border checks between Ireland and Northern Ireland as between England and France.

How does this affect the Good Friday peace accords?
(ie: peace with the IRA terrorists in exchange for no border checks between Ireland and Northern Ireland)

 

[brycejones]

Ireland is part of the EU.
before Brexit, people in Ireland and Northern Ireland can travel freely between the 2 countries as people can travel between states in the USA.

Now that England has left the EU, there should be the same border checks between Ireland and Northern Ireland as between England and France.

How does this affect the Good Friday peace accords?
(ie: peace with the IRA terrorists in exchange for no border checks between Ireland and Northern Ireland)

Seriously GOOGLE

Brexit: What is the new Northern Ireland trade deal?

Ministers have set out new trade arrangements for Northern Ireland, the rest of the UK and the EU.

www.bbc.com

Long story short the border is essentially unchanged.

 

[JEDI]

Seriously GOOGLE

Brexit: What is the new Northern Ireland trade deal?

Ministers have set out new trade arrangements for Northern Ireland, the rest of the UK and the EU.

www.bbc.com

Long story short the border is essentially unchanged.

i did.
all i saw was that IRA paramilitary threatened violence for the checkpoint guards so England withdrew them for now.

 

[pmv]

i did.
all i saw was that IRA paramilitary threatened violence for the checkpoint guards so England withdrew them for now.

The thing is, as far as I can make out, the actual "solution" just puts a quasi-border in the Irish sea. Something that the DUP, and the Unionists in general, were supposedly against, as it certainly starts down the road of treating NI as not being fully part of the UK. I don't entirely understand how Johnson wriggled-out of that dilemma. Maybe just because the election meant he was no longer dependent on DUP support?

 

[brycejones]

i did.
all i saw was that IRA paramilitary threatened violence for the checkpoint guards so England withdrew them for now.

"ireland border brexit" is what I searched on.

 

[brycejones]

The thing is, as far as I can make out, the actual "solution" just puts a quasi-border in the Irish sea. Something that the DUP, and the Unionists in general, were supposedly against, as it certainly starts down the road of treating NI as not being fully part of the UK. I don't entirely understand how Johnson wriggled-out of that dilemma. Maybe just because the election meant he was no longer dependent on DUP support?

Its one of those cases where the most practical "solution" is the one they actually ended up with. I was surprised given the rhetoric against it from the Johnson government throughout the process.

 

[WelshBloke]

i did.
all i saw was that IRA paramilitary threatened violence for the checkpoint guards so England withdrew them for now.

I think that was unionist terror groups threatening the customs guys. They don't want a border between NI and the rest of the UK.

 

[WelshBloke]

Even this long after the Brexit vote, I still keep finding competing reasons to feel pro- or anti- EU membership. That's how I felt in the lead-up to the vote, and the feeling of constantly swinging back-and-forth has continued even after it ceased to be a live question. News like the above makes it clear that there will be very nasty economic consequences, so that's one up for thinking I was right to vote remain.

But this for example, then makes me think maybe it's not all bad to be out. Why would I want to be in "ever -closer union" with a country like Poland? They are also in the European Arrest Warrant scheme, allowing them to extradite citizens of other EU countries even if they've never even been to Poland (though fortunately I don't think that would apply here, as long as there's no law against 'hurting the national pride of Poland' in the EU country you are residing in).

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...locaust-research-historians-ordered-apologise

The infuriating thing is that most of our popular "problems" with the EU could have been solved while still remaining in the group.
We've shafted ourselves for no real gain and a lot of fucking pain.

Also I'm miffed because I'm not seeing a lot of cheap seafood!

 

[Veliko]

Even this long after the Brexit vote, I still keep finding competing reasons to feel pro- or anti- EU membership. That's how I felt in the lead-up to the vote, and the feeling of constantly swinging back-and-forth has continued even after it ceased to be a live question. News like the above makes it clear that there will be very nasty economic consequences, so that's one up for thinking I was right to vote remain.

But this for example, then makes me think maybe it's not all bad to be out. Why would I want to be in "ever -closer union" with a country like Poland? They are also in the European Arrest Warrant scheme, allowing them to extradite citizens of other EU countries even if they've never even been to Poland (though fortunately I don't think that would apply here, as long as there's no law against 'hurting the national pride of Poland' in the EU country you are residing in).

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...locaust-research-historians-ordered-apologise

Not all bad to be out? Seriously?

In what sense does the story you linked to make you think that Brexit is going to make our lives better in some way?

 

[JEDI]

Also I'm miffed because I'm not seeing a lot of cheap seafood!

thats surprising.
the fishermen cant sell to the EU anymore.
thought with all that oversupply that prices would plummet in the uk?