Brexit: How the Conservative Right screwed England and makes Trump/Republican incompetencies look small

[WelshBloke]

thats surprising.
the fishermen cant sell to the EU anymore.
thought with all that oversupply that prices would plummet in the uk?

Turns out that changing the entire supply chain is more complicated than people thought! 🙄

 

[brycejones]

Turns out that changing the entire supply chain is more complicated than people thought! 🙄

Is the UK tired of the winning yet?

 

[WelshBloke]

Is the UK tired of the winning yet?

I mean there's a lot of people who voted for Brexit going "This is awful! Why didn't anyone say anything before hand!"
Its fucking infuriating!

 

[brycejones]

I mean there's a lot of people who voted for Brexit going "This is awful! Why didn't anyone say anything before hand!"
Its fucking infuriating!

I am so sorry man. It’s frustrating when it was possible to see the train wreck coming.

 

[Veliko]

Is the UK tired of the winning yet?

It's gone from "Vote Brexit for a more global Britain" to "support local business by eating turnips for breakfast" in the space of a month.

 

[WelshBloke]

I am so sorry man. It’s frustrating when it was possible to see the train wreck coming.

Its ridiculous. At one point the excuse on why Brexit was a clusterfuck was that the Remainer voters hadn't got fully behind Brexit and that we had talked it down!

It was like the guy that just jumped off a building was blaming me for him plummeting to the ground because I'd not joined in enough on saying that gravity didn't exist!

 

[pmv]

Not all bad to be out? Seriously?

In what sense does the story you linked to make you think that Brexit is going to make our lives better in some way?

Who wants to be in an 'ever closer union' with countries that are giving up on democracy? In what way is that going to make our lives better in some way? If the EU is no longer a union of "liberal democracies" what is it?

 

[sdifox]

It's gone from "Vote Brexit for a more global Britain" to "support local business by eating turnips for breakfast" in the space of a month.

So Baldrick is in charge?

 

[WelshBloke]

So Baldrick is in charge?

Its not even a cunning plan!

 

[Jhhnn]

Who wants to be in an 'ever closer union' with countries that are giving up on democracy? In what way is that going to make our lives better in some way? If the EU is no longer a union of "liberal democracies" what is it?

Which makes no difference in the lives of ordinary Britishers, does it? Not to mention that backsliding in Hungary & Poland isn't representative of the other 13 nations at all. Brexit did manage to stir the shit in Ireland, however. Having a hard border with the Irish Republic is pure folly so Boris sold out his Ulster Loyalists instead, putting them on the other side of a hard border with the EU wrt goods if not people. Even UK mail has to go through EU customs & vice-versa. When everybody was part of the EU Ulster Loyalists had the best of both worlds.

 

[Veliko]

Who wants to be in an 'ever closer union' with countries that are giving up on democracy? In what way is that going to make our lives better in some way? If the EU is no longer a union of "liberal democracies" what is it?

The benefits of EU membership are well known by now. It means more money for public services like the NHS, police, military, roads, education, etc. all of which improves our lives.

After the past five years of nonsense, I don't see how anyone can look at that story in the Guardian and conclude that maybe the Brexiters were right.

 

[pmv]

The benefits of EU membership are well known by now. It means more money for public services like the NHS, police, military, roads, education, etc. all of which improves our lives.

After the past five years of nonsense, I don't see how anyone can look at that story in the Guardian and conclude that maybe the Brexiters were right.

I didn't say they were "right" - I voted remain because on balance I think the negatives of Brexit significantly outweigh the positives - I said that I find it hard to feel that enthusiastic about heading towards a superstate with countries that are abandoning democracy.

Look what happened with the US when it tolerated the intolerable in the cause of achieving unity. If you are going to join together, you have to ensure you have a common set of values underlying it, first.

The current condition of Poland and Hungary just reinforces my suspicion that the EU may not last that long anyway.

 

[Veliko]

Superstate? What?

We're more likely to see the breakup of the UK than the EU.

 

[ecogen]

Superstate? What?

We're more likely to see the breakup of the UK than the EU.

United Ireland seems more like a when than an if atm.

Putting borders inside your own country, what a fucking shitshow.

 

[cytg111]

Who wants to be in an 'ever closer union' with countries that are giving up on democracy? In what way is that going to make our lives better in some way? If the EU is no longer a union of "liberal democracies" what is it?

Well, that is why.
Instead of leaving you should insist that Poland and Hungary get back on track ... or kick them tf out. I cant fathom why anything else should be a viable alternative. Its like rolling over.

 

[WelshBloke]

United Ireland seems more like a when than an if atm.

Fuck. I don't want to think how badly that will go.
There'd be bombs going off all over Dublin like London in the troubles!

 

[pmv]

Well, that is why.
Instead of leaving you should insist that Poland and Hungary get back on track ... or kick them tf out. I cant fathom why anything else should be a viable alternative. Its like rolling over.

Well, yes, on balance I think "stay and fight" would have been the better option. But it would not have been an easy one. Leaving means not having to deal with that, and I'm taking what consolations I can find.

What frequently irks me is that there seems to be a kind of 'my country, right-or-wrong' nationalism about some EU fans. With the Lib Dems, it's always seemed obvious that their uncritical, fervent support of the EU is simply because being pro-EU is the only political principle they have. There is nothing else they are remotely consistent or principled about, nothing else they appear to believe in, so they cling to that one issue all the more strongly.

 

[pmv]

Superstate? What?

We're more likely to see the breakup of the UK than the EU.

I don't get why you are so complacent about a country trying to make it illegal to tell the truth about Nazism. Are you a Lib Dem? One of those for whom the EU can do no wrong, regarding it much as a fervent nationalist regards their country?

And, sure, the UK may well break up - I'm OK with it doing so. If Brexit leads to a united Ireland that would be a point in it's favour. And I don't really care what Scotland does, it's up to them. What I don't get is the complacent conservatism that regards the EU as perfect and believes that as long as we stay in it nothing else needs to change.

 

[Veliko]

Poland's actions have got precisely zilch to do with our EU membership. In fact, it's got nothing to do with the EU either so I have no idea where you're going with this.

There are fuck all consolations to be found in Brexit. It's like a homeless person saying "Well, I might be sleeping under a bridge but at least I don't have to listen to my landlord any more".

 

[pmv]

Poland's actions have got precisely zilch to do with our EU membership. In fact, it's got nothing to do with the EU either so I have no idea where you're going with this.

There are fuck all consolations to be found in Brexit. It's like a homeless person saying "Well, I might be sleeping under a bridge but at least I don't have to listen to my landlord any more".

I don't understand your stance at all. Poland's actions have plenty to do with being in the EU. If we are part of a community with them, then what they do affects us and is our responsibility. "Free movement" is of limited value if in exercising it means I would be at risk of facing sanctions for speaking the truth about the Holocaust, for example. If we were still in we'd be under a moral obligation to fight to change the direction of the likes of Poland and Hungary. Being out means it's not our problem any more. That's a consolation.

Saying "it's got nothing to do with the EU" is absurd. The whole point of the EU is that it's a union of liberal democracies. If parts of it show signs of ceasing to be such a thing then it's everybody's problem.

You seem to be one of those for whom being pro-EU is just another form of nationalism - "my supra-national organsation, right-or-wrong". I don't understand that attitude at all.

 

[Veliko]

You sound very confused.

 

[pmv]

You sound very confused.

Right back at you.

 

[cytg111]

Poland's actions have got precisely zilch to do with our EU membership. In fact, it's got nothing to do with the EU either so I have no idea where you're going with this.

There are fuck all consolations to be found in Brexit. It's like a homeless person saying "Well, I might be sleeping under a bridge but at least I don't have to listen to my landlord any more".

So this is bollocks ?

Polish state becoming authoritarian, top judge Gersdorf says

The outgoing supreme court chief sees a government appointing political loyalists to the courts.

www.bbc.com

 

[KMFJD]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1359084656122089476

the first reply- As an EU member, the UK was party to the ban on importing shellfish from 3rd countries. For a decade, UK suppliers did very nicely. Now outside the EU, the UK is subject to that ban. The Govt knew this was an inevitable consequence of Brexit. It has no grounds for complaint.

 

[Veliko]

So this is bollocks ?

It has nothing to do with the UK's EU membership.