Brian & Anand Hate SD Card's in Phones

[evident]

As a frequent traveler and Hilton Diamond, I rarely (almost never) see a hotel TV adequet for movie watching. In fact, they are never properly calibrated. Perhaps I am spoiled by Panasonic plasmas. I'd rather spend the time at the pool, gym, executive lounge, and outdoors. Plus, if you travel to a hotel, most likely you have a laptop/tablet that has hdmi out.

As a home owner, I have HTPC setup and would rather keep my phone where it belongs: in my pocket.

lol. who's expecting home theater quality from a hotel tv? more importantly, WHY would you expect that? you're working all day, come back, and just want to watch a damn movie on a tv. I have a panny plasma at home too and yeah it's nice, but when im away and i want to watch tv, the hotel tv is fine. and yes, it's nice to hook up my laptop or phone to stream movies to the "crappy" hotel TV. this post is ridiculous.

btw, starwood has a much nicer rewards programs than hiltons.

conspiracy theory: is openwheel really brian klug?????? :awe:

 

[BoberFett]

I don't see the point in filling up a 64gb card with 1080p movies to watch on a tiny 4.5 inch screen.

Oh wait, most people don't, which is why no SD card is fine for most.

So if you have a NAS full of TV and movies in 1080P, a person should transcode them every time they want to put them on their phone? Yeah, because that's what I want to do, sit around and wait for my computer to resize video for days...

 

[BoberFett]

Of course it makes sense.

How do you pick your phone?

You drill down to the choice that has all the things that you want.

By your logic wanting any feature is a negative because some phones might not have it so you can't buy them.

TBH at this point I think that you are just arguing because you can't find an easy way to stop arguing.

This.

 

[BoberFett]

As a frequent traveler and Hilton Diamond, I rarely (almost never) see a hotel TV adequet for movie watching. In fact, they are never properly calibrated. Perhaps I am spoiled by Panasonic plasmas. I'd rather spend the time at the pool, gym, executive lounge, and outdoors. Plus, if you travel to a hotel, most likely you have a laptop/tablet that has hdmi out.

As a home owner, I have HTPC setup and would rather keep my phone where it belongs: in my pocket.

This guy is unbelievable. Now he doesn't want to use his phone for anything but a pocket warmer. I guess I can see why he doesn't have any interest in additional storage. And neither should you. If you do, it's clearly because you're just not as good as him.

 

[openwheel]

Terry and poofy, you two should do yourselves a favor and stop wasting time. Leave openwheel to wallow in his ignorance.

His Hilton Diamond post says it all. He'd "rather spend the time at the pool, gym, executive lounge, and outdoors"... and apparently you should too when you travel. That point is ludicrous, and far beyond irrelevant to the SD card issue.

Indeed, SD card slots are obviously not an absolute "must have". He's right about that. But at the same time they are not absolutely useless to all, even if they're useless to him.

exactly my point. Finally someone here with a clear head.

 

[openwheel]

Really? I stay only at Hiltons on my frequent business trips and they always have a HDTV that has some sort of HDMI port. Most often I can find a button to change the input on the TV, but in the worst case I can use the IR blaster on my S4 to get it to that HDMI input.



Well yeah they are crap compared to my 65 inch panny, my home theater sound system and my XBMC HTPCs. But that is the whole point- I am not at home but I still want some of the convenience of home. I usually bring and watch comedies so I don't care if the colors are off or worry if the TV can't keep up with fast-paced action.



Well that is you. The places I often go to for work are not very fun outdoorsy places. I only stay at the gym for an hour or so. I would prefer to avoid the pool and the army of kids that have peed in it that day.

Furthermore I wear myself out working during those days. I just want to get back to hotel room and relax, and my 64gb SD card with movies helps me do that.



That is a mighty large assumption there. When I travel for work I have to bring along a work laptop (that I CAN'T use for media), so I will go out of my way to not bring two.

In fact many people only bring an iPad/tablet and their phone as their primary computing devices on vacation. When airports make you dig out your laptops for security, and airplanes still make you turn off and stow laptops on takeoffs and landings, just having mobile devices makes traveling easier.



So basically you are saying you don't want further functionality in your phone. Great, that is perfect for you and grandma. Basic devices serve the needs of many.

But I want my phone to be more. Why is it detrimental for me if I have choices with more capabilities than what you want? People seem to like capability in mobile devices, hence the app revolution.

Different strokes for different folks. You like to carry sitcoms on an mSD card and connect to the hotel TV via HDMI. Your preference is perfectly fine. However, I can never watch a movie in a hotel room. At most I put it on news channel. Some people don't watch movie on a 5" phone, some people don't like laggy Android phones, and some people don't like expensive iPhones. Just different strokes for different folks.

I am not saying you should be just like me. I dislike hotel TVs and I have no use for mSD to store movie at home. I am very clear in my posts: they are simply my opinion. I want my phone to be more too just like you, but we want different "more". I want more internal storage, more camera quality, more premium material, and more battery capacity. I want more wireless connectivity to home theater, home automation, and car integration. I don't mind having mSD card slot, but it's at the very bottom of my list. Here is the real difference, I can buy any phone with or without mSD slot, but many here are limited to only a few phones that still provide mSD slot.

 

[openwheel]

Again, codescending and authoritarian. Who are you to decide whether a hotel TV is "suitable to watch" or not?

You claim to allow for opinions different from your own but if you actually read your posts, you do not.

You clearly have issues. I can decide whether or not I want to watch hotel TVs. It is a freedom I received the moment I was born. You should check on that.

 

[poofyhairguy]

Different strokes for different folks.

Agreed. I think the reason why so many here are offended by the front page viewpoint is because we want them to advocate for fellow nerds (who have full 64GB sd cards), not normals. Which isn't practical, even for a nerd site.

Here is the real difference, I can buy any phone with or without mSD slot, but many here are limited to only a few phones that still provide mSD slot.

True, but we have a lot of options with new ones coming every few months!

 

[TerryMathews]

You clearly have issues. I can decide whether or not I want to watch hotel TVs. It is a freedom I received the moment I was born. You should check on that.

Every time you post, in my head I hear Kahn from King of the Hill

 

[AnitaPeterson]

Allow me to copy and paste some relevant passages from a Verge review of the Moto G budget phone - found here: http://www.theverge.com/2013/12/2/5156546/moto-g-review

"Another change can be found in internal storage, which has dropped from 16GB or 32GB of storage in the Moto X down to 8GB or 16GB. The 8GB version I tested has around 5.5GB of storage for your apps, photos, and music, and there’s no microSD slot for expansion. Given the Moto G’s pretensions as a phone for the masses, this is something of an oversight. A capacious microSD can be picked up from retailers across the world for a few dollars, and a slot for expandable storage is an important feature to many.

Even for me, storage posed an issue; after syncing my (admittedly quite large) music collection over to the phone, I was left with just 500MB free. Google may want people to use its cloud services instead of local storage, but if that’s not always practical in the US, it’s a near impossibility in other countries."

Do you see the bolded parts? Even though The Verge is usually pro-Apple (with everything that such a choice entails!), they're smart enough to realize that you simply can't judge technology according solely to U.S. standards.

And that, I'm afraid, is a lesson lost on Anand and Brian.

 

[openwheel]

Every time you post, in my head I hear Kahn from King of the Hill

you shouldn't let some random internet guy get inside your head

 

[openwheel]

And that, I'm afraid, is a lesson lost on Anand and Brian.

considering almost all reviews of phones (that lack mSD card) complaint about the lack of mSD support, I don't think Anand and Klug are losing any sleep over Verge's Moto G review.

 

[lifeblood]

Anand and Brian are right, we shouldn't need mSD slots in phones. In fact, we shouldn't need replaceable batteries either. Phones should come with plenty of storage and long lasting batteries at reasonable prices by default. But they don't and they won't. Companies are going to charge $50 more to add $5 worth of additional memory. It's called maximizing your profits.

I live in the real world with a real world budget. Frequently my choices come down to buying the 64gb version of the phone, or buying the 16Gb version and using the saved money to buy my daughter a new dance outfit. Because of mSD I can get the cheaper phone while still having plenty of storage, and my daughter gets a new dance outfit.

 

[Brian Stirling]

Anand and Brian are right, we shouldn't need mSD slots in phones. In fact, we shouldn't need replaceable batteries either. Phones should come with plenty of storage and long lasting batteries at reasonable prices by default. But they don't and they won't. Companies are going to charge $50 more to add $5 worth of additional memory. It's called maximizing your profits.

I live in the real world with a real world budget. Frequently my choices come down to buying the 64gb version of the phone, or buying the 16Gb version and using the saved money to buy my daughter a new dance outfit. Because of mSD I can get the cheaper phone while still having plenty of storage, and my daughter gets a new dance outfit.

This is quite true ... the makers want to offer several models of the same phone at different price points and the single biggest thing that differentiates them is storage. They low ball the storage for the cheapest version then bend you over the table and jam it up your ass, without lubricant, for the models with more storage.

This business model isn't going away anytime soon so the carriers, who are the ones selling most phones, prefer to keep the choices to a minimum so if you want more storage you're going to have to agree to be anally raped by them. But hey, some people like anal rapage...


Brian

 

[tommo123]

Anand and Brian are right, we shouldn't need mSD slots in phones. In fact, we shouldn't need replaceable batteries either. Phones should come with plenty of storage and long lasting batteries at reasonable prices by default. But they don't and they won't. Companies are going to charge $50 more to add $5 worth of additional memory. It's called maximizing your profits.

I live in the real world with a real world budget. Frequently my choices come down to buying the 64gb version of the phone, or buying the 16Gb version and using the saved money to buy my daughter a new dance outfit. Because of mSD I can get the cheaper phone while still having plenty of storage, and my daughter gets a new dance outfit.

no such thing as "shouldn't" with those examples. if you had 512GB on board then you could get a mSD card that would have the same storage again or more. some of us could always do with more.

as for batteries, what if you're away for 2-3 days and have no way to recharge? or use your phone very heavily. there's no phone out there that can be used very heavily for 16 hours without draining the battery. none. i mean downloading/uploading for that time, playing games at the same time with the screen on max brightness and a controller connected via BT.

i was uploading a few gigs today from my phone and it was killing the battery and that was without the screen on.

 

[gus6464]

I used to flip out when I saw phones with no SD slot and one of the reasons I bought a Droid Razr Maxx HD and a 32gb microSD card. In the year I have had it though I have yet to use the SD storage in any way. Now I am getting a Moto X and I am seriously debating I will even use 32gb of it.

 

[openwheel]

This is quite true ... the makers want to offer several models of the same phone at different price points and the single biggest thing that differentiates them is storage. They low ball the storage for the cheapest version then bend you over the table and jam it up your ass, without lubricant, for the models with more storage.

This business model isn't going away anytime soon so the carriers, who are the ones selling most phones, prefer to keep the choices to a minimum so if you want more storage you're going to have to agree to be anally raped by them. But hey, some people like anal rapage...


Brian

same arguing I've been making in this thread.

 

[TerryMathews]

same arguing I've been making in this thread.

No, its not. Stop being dishonest.

 

[sweenish]

Allow me to copy and paste some relevant passages from a Verge review of the Moto G budget phone - found here: http://www.theverge.com/2013/12/2/5156546/moto-g-review

"Another change can be found in internal storage, which has dropped from 16GB or 32GB of storage in the Moto X down to 8GB or 16GB. The 8GB version I tested has around 5.5GB of storage for your apps, photos, and music, and there’s no microSD slot for expansion. Given the Moto G’s pretensions as a phone for the masses, this is something of an oversight. A capacious microSD can be picked up from retailers across the world for a few dollars, and a slot for expandable storage is an important feature to many.

Even for me, storage posed an issue; after syncing my (admittedly quite large) music collection over to the phone, I was left with just 500MB free. Google may want people to use its cloud services instead of local storage, but if that’s not always practical in the US, it’s a near impossibility in other countries."

Do you see the bolded parts? Even though The Verge is usually pro-Apple (with everything that such a choice entails!), they're smart enough to realize that you simply can't judge technology according solely to U.S. standards.

And that, I'm afraid, is a lesson lost on Anand and Brian.

He also said that his 5.0 GB music collection was "quite large." He is obviously in touch.

You're running out of arguments if you are falling back on a phone review from the verge. Their hardware reviews have gotten downright lousy in the last year.

 

[BoberFett]

Different strokes for different folks. You like to carry sitcoms on an mSD card and connect to the hotel TV via HDMI. Your preference is perfectly fine. However, I can never watch a movie in a hotel room. At most I put it on news channel. Some people don't watch movie on a 5" phone, some people don't like laggy Android phones, and some people don't like expensive iPhones. Just different strokes for different folks.

I am not saying you should be just like me. I dislike hotel TVs and I have no use for mSD to store movie at home. I am very clear in my posts: they are simply my opinion. I want my phone to be more too just like you, but we want different "more". I want more internal storage, more camera quality, more premium material, and more battery capacity. I want more wireless connectivity to home theater, home automation, and car integration. I don't mind having mSD card slot, but it's at the very bottom of my list. Here is the real difference, I can buy any phone with or without mSD slot, but many here are limited to only a few phones that still provide mSD slot.

Now that is a reasonable response.

 

[BoberFett]

He also said that his 5.0 GB music collection was "quite large." He is obviously in touch.

Are you serious? If some 80 year old woman told you her rusty Geo Metro was pretty fast, would you say she's in touch? My CD collection hasn't grown much since I was in my 20s, but I still have 20+ GB of MP3s just from ripped discs.

 

[Oyeve]

Are you serious? If some 80 year old woman told you her rusty Geo Metro was pretty fast, would you say she's in touch? My CD collection hasn't grown much since I was in my 20s, but I still have 20+ GB of MP3s just from ripped discs.

I'm nearing 2tb myself. No gadget in the world us gonna hold that. Hell, my grateful dead collection is over 20gb.

 

[nOOky]

I think the masses may have gotten used to dealing with phones and devices with limited storage, but that doesn't mean extra storage via micro-sd card isn't wanted and useful.

Just because we can all get by on 8 gigs if we have to, doesn't mean we should have to. Given the choice, I'll take the extra options of removable sd cards and batteries even if I never use them, just to have the option if needed.

The best way to let manufacturers know we are unhappy about a product is to give them feedback, and stop buying their product and protest loud and long on forums where their tech guys might see them. Lots of sites have representatives from their companies going through consumer reviews and offering help or at the very least making it known they are listening, I think that's great.

 

[Brian Stirling]

Are you serious? If some 80 year old woman told you her rusty Geo Metro was pretty fast, would you say she's in touch? My CD collection hasn't grown much since I was in my 20s, but I still have 20+ GB of MP3s just from ripped discs.

Pretty much the same for me ... my HTC One has about 17GB of music that was mostly ripped from my CD's and I've probably only added 20 CD's since 2000. My digital library would be about 5GB larger but some of my CD's must have sprouted legs and walked.

I don't think I've purchased more than about 5-6 albums via digital download as the bitrate is too low for my taste -- I tend to rip at about 192kbps and would go lossless if I had more storage...


Brian

 

[poofyhairguy]

OK here is the argument I will make:

Unlike say removable batteries, Micro SD cards are things "normal" people use and are used to. Many devices use them, copying to them is super easy, and phones had them before they got smart.

Why drop a feature that has such broad support? The reason Micro SDs are cheap is economy of scale.