Brian & Anand Hate SD Card's in Phones

[openwheel]

LOL you are completely delusional. You just repeated what i said. Why are you so afraid of looking like a bafoon? Its only the internet.

You keep your SD card and I will keep my opinion. I welcome anyones opinion. Why cant you just swallow the fact that others have different views than yours? What a sad life you have....Have a nice night sore loser.

 

[Cerb]

I don't understand the people who say mSD cards are too slow.

I have 2 entire seasons of a major TV show on my card in 720p and 1080p. They play just fine from the mSD card.

Playing movies is not much of a speed test. BD, FI, maxes out at just under 4MBps.

http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=63&t=4076

The Lexar in the first post is doing a whopping 6, yes, six, IOPS. I'm pretty sure I wasn't even born when HDDs were capable of better than that. Even MicroSDs that can do faster than modern HDDs can't do it in the readers of most phone SoCs, yet (mine all test faster in USB readers than in my phone, FI).

 

[godl!ke]

I know this is mainly an SD card thread, but consider me one member of the fairly sizable minority of removable battery advocates. That was the differentiator when I was deciding between the HTC One and the Galaxy S4.

As for the topic at hand, I couldn't care less about Anand's and Brian's preferences. But what irked me (besides Brian's seemingly arrogant and dismissive attitude... Twitter really illuminates sometimes) is that they seem to think that the battery capacity gains that can be had in making sealed phones can meet the needs of those that find removable batteries to be invaluable. Usage patterns vary far too widely for that notion to have any merit. Is there any sealed phone in existence that can be used to watch several movies during the entire flight from New York to Sydney? I can't think of any, and yet I am able to do exactly that on my phone. Another added benefit that has yet to be mentioned in here is that I rarely, if ever, have to put a warm phone to my face while I "charge opportunistically". Speaking of which, I've had lots of my iPhone-using friends express envy when they are essentially shackled to a wall socket during their "opportunistic charges", while I can go about my activities unfettered.

The segment of consumers that values function over form can never be satisfied until the typical capacity gains that are potentially achievable in making a phone sealed vs unsealed become much higher than they are today. We have a long way to go on that front, and in not acknowledging that, these guys come off a bit short-sighted.

 

[TerryMathews]

LOL you are completely delusional. You just repeated what i said. Why are you so afraid of looking like a bafoon? Its only the internet.

You keep your SD card and I will keep my opinion. I welcome anyones opinion. Why cant you just swallow the fact that others have different views than yours? What a sad life you have....Have a nice night sore loser.

To be clear, your opinion is that those who prefer uSD slots are "holding the industry back".

Hard to see how anyone would disagree with you on that eh?

The really disappointing this is your dont even have the intellectual honesty to own up to your own comments, even when they're quoted to you.

To your second paragraph, I provided to specific examples of things you cannot effectively do on all smartphones that lack uSD slots. True to form, no recognition there.

At any rate, this is a dead horse I'm beating now. Just stop claiming that you're interested in compelling reasons when you're clearly not. At least have the integrity to represent your opinion for what it is: authoritarian and overbearing and slightly demeaning.

 

[WelshBloke]

If a consumer limits himself/herself to only phones with mSD slot, then he/she has limited choices. Which directly contradicts the point of having 'choices". Again, imo no one here has a good reason that mSD is a must have.

Making a decision on which phone to buy, by definition, involves limiting your choices. In fact it involves limiting your choice to one.

Unless you just go to the phone shop and go "I dunno, just give me a random one".

 

[QueBert]

Aren't all buttons by definition, touch sensitive?

My monitor has touch sensitive buttons, there are no buttons, I touch the corner and if I'm lucky enough to have touched in the right spot I get my menu. On a big monitor it's kind of annoying because it's not always a 1st touch find kind of thing, but it looks sleeker. On a phone there wouldn't be that same issue because there's so little space for it. I define touch sensitive buttons as buttons you can use without having to apply any pressure.

 

[StrangerGuy]

Making a decision on which phone to buy, by definition, involves limiting your choices. In fact it involves limiting your choice to one.

Unless you just go to the phone shop and go "I dunno, just give me a random one".

Nobody is forcing a gun on your head either to "Buy non-Samsung or I bury your wife in a landfill of SD cards!"

 

[fstime]

I don't see the point in filling up a 64gb card with 1080p movies to watch on a tiny 4.5 inch screen.

Oh wait, most people don't, which is why no SD card is fine for most.

 

[ControlD]

I don't see the point in filling up a 64gb card with 1080p movies to watch on a tiny 4.5 inch screen.

Oh wait, most people don't, which is why no SD card is fine for most.

Right. Because the only thing people are using SD cards for is watching 1080p movies.

 

[TerryMathews]

I don't see the point in filling up a 64gb card with 1080p movies to watch on a tiny 4.5 inch screen.

Oh wait, most people don't, which is why no SD card is fine for most.

My phone has HDMI. Doesn't yours?

 

[openwheel]

Making a decision on which phone to buy, by definition, involves limiting your choices. In fact it involves limiting your choice to one.

Unless you just go to the phone shop and go "I dunno, just give me a random one".

This makes no sense. You limit your choices to only a few phones that provide mSD, while others are open to all available phones. By the same logic that having the choice of mSD is a positive, it is clearly a negative.

 

[ThisIsChrisKim]

I know this is mainly an SD card thread, but consider me one member of the fairly sizable minority of removable battery advocates. That was the differentiator when I was deciding between the HTC One and the Galaxy S4.

As for the topic at hand, I couldn't care less about Anand's and Brian's preferences. But what irked me (besides Brian's seemingly arrogant and dismissive attitude... Twitter really illuminates sometimes) is that they seem to think that the battery capacity gains that can be gained in making sealed phones can meet the needs of those that find removable batteries to be invaluable. Usage patterns vary far too widely for that notion to have any merit. Is there any sealed phone in existence that can be used to watch several movies during the entire flight from New York to Sydney? I can't think of any, and yet I am able to do exactly that on my phone. Another added benefit that has yet to be mentioned in here is that I rarely, if ever, have to put a warm phone to my face while I "charge opportunistically". Speaking of which, I've had lots of my iPhone-using friends express envy when they are essentially shackled to a wall socket during their "opportunistic charges", while I can go about my activities unfettered.

The segment of consumers that values function over form can never be satisfied until the typical capacity gains that are potentially achievable in making a phone sealed vs unsealed is much higher than it is today. We have a long way to go on that front, and in not acknowledging that, these guys come off a bit short-sighted.

In the Korean market, Samsung phones include an additional battery at purchase. One reason Samsung has stuck by additional batteries. People use their phones constantly on the subway and buses because the network infrastructure on Seoul is robust enough to use while the subway is moving on the trains.

 

[poofyhairguy]

I don't see the point in filling up a 64gb card with 1080p movies to watch on a tiny 4.5 inch screen.

I don't see the point in paying crazy prices for hotel pay-per-views when I can just fill up my 64gb SD card with 1080p movies and use a HDMI adaptor to play them on the hotel TV.

 

[openwheel]

At any rate, this is a dead horse I'm beating now. Just stop claiming that you're interested in compelling reasons when you're clearly not. At least have the integrity to represent your opinion for what it is: authoritarian and overbearing and slightly demeaning.

Again, I am all ears.

 

[WelshBloke]

This makes no sense. You limit your choices to only a few phones that provide mSD, while others are open to all available phones. By the same logic that having the choice of mSD is a positive, it is clearly a negative.

Of course it makes sense.

How do you pick your phone?

You drill down to the choice that has all the things that you want.

By your logic wanting any feature is a negative because some phones might not have it so you can't buy them.

TBH at this point I think that you are just arguing because you can't find an easy way to stop arguing.

 

[TerryMathews]

Again, I am all ears.

I like my uSD slot. I can take the card out of my T3i and upload pictures to Dropbox while remote. I can carry my MP3 library with me. I can carry videos for my son to watch.

Changing content out is easy if you carry a few pre-loaded and labelled uSD cards. Last I checked, no one makes a removable EMMC...

Reading is fundamental, yo.

 

[openwheel]

I don't see the point in paying crazy prices for hotel pay-per-views when I can just fill up my 64gb SD card with 1080p movies and use a HDMI adaptor to play them on the hotel TV.

As a frequent traveler and Hilton Diamond, I rarely (almost never) see a hotel TV adequet for movie watching. In fact, they are never properly calibrated. Perhaps I am spoiled by Panasonic plasmas. I'd rather spend the time at the pool, gym, executive lounge, and outdoors. Plus, if you travel to a hotel, most likely you have a laptop/tablet that has hdmi out.

As a home owner, I have HTPC setup and would rather keep my phone where it belongs: in my pocket.

 

[TerryMathews]

This makes no sense. You limit your choices to only a few phones that provide mSD, while others are open to all available phones. By the same logic that having the choice of mSD is a positive, it is clearly a negative.

This doesn't even make sense.

MicroSD support is a feature to select from, just like EMMC size, network support, or screen size.

Your post is what makes no sense. How do you select your phone? The raddest one with new blast processing? The one the reviews tell you to buy?

Adults select based on the features important to them.

And none of this is relevant to the original contention in this post, that while reviewers have their own personal preferences there is no reason for them to bleed through into a professionally written review. You have yet to post one concrete reason to dispute that. The closest you've come is saying that we are holding the market back which on its face is ludicrous.

 

[TerryMathews]

As a frequent traveler and Hilton Diamond, I rarely (almost never) see a hotel TV adequet for movie watching. In fact, they are never properly calibrated. Perhaps I am spoiled by Panasonic plasmas. I'd rather spend the time at the pool, gym, executive lounge, and outdoors. Plus, if you travel to a hotel, most likely you have a laptop/tablet that has hdmi out.

As a home owner, I have HTPC setup and would rather keep my phone where it belongs: in my pocket.

Again, codescending and authoritarian. Who are you to decide whether a hotel TV is "suitable to watch" or not?

You claim to allow for opinions different from your own but if you actually read your posts, you do not.

 

[openwheel]

Reading is fundamental, yo.

Yes, you should try it sometimes.
Again, you keep your mSD and I'll keep my opinion. If you are still trying to convince me mSD is a must, you have failed so far. I don't see any good reason from your posts.

 

[TerryMathews]

Yes, you should try it sometimes.
Again, you keep your mSD and I'll keep my opinion. If you are still trying to convince me mSD is a must, you have failed so far. I don't see any good reason from your posts.

Nice goal post move. It was "a good reason to have them". Now its "a must"?

Again keep in mind your complaint was that there was no good reason for anyone to want uSD. Clearly you were wrong with that.

Have some integrity and admit it.

 

[poofyhairguy]

As a frequent traveler and Hilton Diamond, I rarely (almost never) see a hotel TV adequet for movie watching.

Really? I stay only at Hiltons on my frequent business trips and they always have a HDTV that has some sort of HDMI port. Most often I can find a button to change the input on the TV, but in the worst case I can use the IR blaster on my S4 to get it to that HDMI input.

In fact, they are never properly calibrated. Perhaps I am spoiled by Panasonic plasmas.

Well yeah they are crap compared to my 65 inch panny, my home theater sound system and my XBMC HTPCs. But that is the whole point- I am not at home but I still want some of the convenience of home. I usually bring and watch comedies so I don't care if the colors are off or worry if the TV can't keep up with fast-paced action.

I'd rather spend the time at the pool, gym, executive lounge, and outdoors.

Well that is you. The places I often go to for work are not very fun outdoorsy places. I only stay at the gym for an hour or so. I would prefer to avoid the pool and the army of kids that have peed in it that day.

Furthermore I wear myself out working during those days. I just want to get back to hotel room and relax, and my 64gb SD card with movies helps me do that.

Plus, if you travel to a hotel, most likely you have a laptop/tablet that has hdmi out.

That is a mighty large assumption there. When I travel for work I have to bring along a work laptop (that I CAN'T use for media), so I will go out of my way to not bring two.

In fact many people only bring an iPad/tablet and their phone as their primary computing devices on vacation. When airports make you dig out your laptops for security, and airplanes still make you turn off and stow laptops on takeoffs and landings, just having mobile devices makes traveling easier.

As a home owner, I have HTPC setup and would rather keep my phone where it belongs: in my pocket.

So basically you are saying you don't want further functionality in your phone. Great, that is perfect for you and grandma. Basic devices serve the needs of many.

But I want my phone to be more. Why is it detrimental for me if I have choices with more capabilities than what you want? People seem to like capability in mobile devices, hence the app revolution.

 

[godl!ke]

Terry and poofy, you two should do yourselves a favor and stop wasting time. Leave openwheel to wallow in his ignorance.

His Hilton Diamond post says it all. He'd "rather spend the time at the pool, gym, executive lounge, and outdoors"... and apparently you should too when you travel. That point is ludicrous, and far beyond irrelevant to the SD card issue.

Indeed, SD card slots are obviously not an absolute "must have". He's right about that. But at the same time they are not absolutely useless to all, even if they're useless to him.

 

[TerryMathews]

Terry and poofy, you two should do yourselves a favor and stop wasting time. Leave openwheel to wallow in his ignorance.

Well, I would but I'm staying at a Hilton Diamond right now ...

 

[Brian Stirling]

My phone has HDMI. Doesn't yours?

Yes, and when you're on the road and away from home as much as I am being able to connect your phone to the TV in the hotel room means you can play the movies you brought with you without having to pay the hotel.

Also, many folks use the camera in their smartphone to take a bunch of HD video -- that's like 8GB-10GB per hour. Perhaps "loosewheel" and "notime" would have use stream that from the cloud at $10/GB over the monthly plan.


Brian