Brian Krzanich just killed the PC

[ShintaiDK]

I think we found common ground here, wholeheartedly agree. Yet the thing about production is that it is getting automated more and more .. aand this is not the place for such discussion. But hey, nice to meet you.

+1 :thumbsup:

And thanks for the typo correction, what a mess up!

 

[Shivansps]

All this IoT thing, unless Intel start making sub $5 boards that come with wifi, ram and flash i dont see how they could make anything good out of it. The only way is to integrate those on the chip.

 

[Phynaz]

So you basically press check boxes on a big To-Do list.

Yeah, I imagine I could give you a Windows 98 tablet PC and you could still do that.

You have confirmed that you are niether a Program Manager nor an iPad user.

 

[IntelUser2000]

Remember when HP CEO Leo Apotheker made the shocking(and retarded) comment that they'll abandon PCs completely? Even though they despite their errors have huge number of loyal customers and was #1 in PC market?

That caused them to lose marketshare.

The only way Intel management could have done worse is if they claimed the same and say they are abandoning PC development completely.

Abandon all the loyal customers. Throw away years of development. How haphazard is a plan that causes you to throw $10 billion dollars and abandon it shortly after that?

 

[Vortex6700]

You have confirmed that you are niether a Program Manager nor an iPad user.

As a program manager and engineer who has done this I can confirm that I can not only do my job on an xp tablet with wacom, I can do it faster and better than most people do on thier desktops, laptops, and ipads combined. "Streamlined" apps with limited functionality and intuitive (barebones) interfaces don't hold a candle to a professional with powerful tools who knows how to use them.

Competence aside, ipad users are better off than anyone who refuses to go mobile. If those people are even still employed.

 

[RampantAndroid]

You have confirmed that you are niether a Program Manager nor an iPad user.

No PM that I work with could do their job well on a ipad. They use Surfaces sometimes, but that's because they have a keyboard when they need it. Some PMs do more than others as well, with testing our own product and such - they absolutely cannot use a ipad.

If you're able to do your job as a PM on an iPad, I suspect you're less involved than most PMs I've worked with. (and if you're doing the work required of you, that's fine...)

 

[ShintaiDK]

It seems Smartphone drop in Q1 have yet gain been revised, now at a 6% drop.

 

[Nothingness]

It seems Smartphone drop in Q1 have yet gain been revised, now at a 6% drop.

IDC says +0.2% volume, not the -6% Juniper Research claims.

PS - You could have posted the link, you lazy :biggrin:

 

[ShintaiDK]

IDC says +0.2% volume, not the -6% Juniper Research claims.

PS - You could have posted the link, you lazy :biggrin:

I was reading it in the more closed economic news sections. Linking there isn't possible

I am not surprised at all the numbers rise, as warehouse stock gets tallied around the distributors.

For the entire year my expectations is a drop above 20%.

 

[Nothingness]

I was reading it in the more closed economic news sections. Linking there isn't possible

I am not surprised at all the numbers rise, as warehouse stock gets tallied around the distributors.

For the entire year my expectations is a drop above 20%.

For smartphones? Gartner, at end of March, predicted +7% and in early March, IDC predicted +6%. Of course we should wait for updated predictions based on Q1 results, but a drop of 20% is very unlikely.

OTOH if we start discussing value, a 20% decline is IMHO quite likely.

 

[ShintaiDK]

Way too optimistic.

 

[Leyawiin]

PC's are mature. Its like color TVs in the 70s and HDTVs in the 2000s. Everyone has one and you don't need to replace them very often (outside of obsessive enthusiasts at sites like this). The PC market will never be "dead".

 

[Exophase]

PC's are mature. Its like color TVs in the 70s and HDTVs in the 2000s. Everyone has one and you don't need to replace them very often (outside of obsessive enthusiasts at sites like this). The PC market will never be "dead".

Incidentally, I don't see much of people claiming that TVs are dead now that more people are watching things on other devices and a lot of TV manufacturers have seen drops in sales. There's still a core group there that's not going to be leaving them any time soon.

Same with PCs. A decline in sales doesn't mean that the whole market is going to be extinct soon.

 

[crashtech]

I don't know if I'm as optimistic as to say PCs are like TVs. A lot of people have abandoned desktops for portable devices, but I think most people still have a TV.

 

[nitromullet]

The only ones who are talking about the desktop PC being dead or completely disappearing are enthusiast forums.

I think in reality what this looks like for Intel is sort of how Apple has had their line up for quite some time. Mainstream PC's will share processors with laptops/mobile devices, and the high end sector will share processors with servers/workstations.

They've already done it on the high end sector, all they need to do is kill off the mainstream desktop chips, declare mobile chips good/fast enough, and produce socketed versions. Alternately, motherboard AIBs will could sell all-in-one *ATX motherboards with the cpu soldiered to the board.

As primarily a desktop user this doesn't really appeal to me, but if that were to happen it's possible that the HEDT server/workstation chip segment might come down in price a bit if it becomes more popular with gamers.

 

[VirtualLarry]

all they need to do is kill off the mainstream desktop chips, declare mobile chips good/fast enough, and produce socketed versions.

Isn't that what they already do?

 

[nitromullet]

Isn't that what they already do?

I don't know that much about Intel's mobile chips. If they are essentially the same as the desktop chips than I don't really see much changing from how it is now.

 

[IntelUser2000]

(This post is a continuation from "will Kaby Lake support DDR4?")

You have a point Sheep221.

Well I assume you are not going outside with your desktop PC or laptop for the purpose of taking any videos or photos with it, that's why no desktop webcams get this resolution - no need and that also makes them cheaper.

Sorry. Just my frustration on the PC market I followed for over a decade.

Apple does not need LPDDR4-3200 on a Tablet either, especially with iOS app ecosystem's lack of high end applications. I think its extremely disappointing that Intel, a company that was leader in pushing lot of standards, including memory, is falling behind. If anything, PCs need LPDDR4-3200 much more than iPad Pro ever will.

PCs once represented the forefront of computing technology. Now its just a race for cheaper devices and razor thin margins.

 

[ShintaiDK]

Apple needs LPDDR4 due to GFX performance.

 

[NTMBK]

Apple needs LPDDR4 due to GFX performance.

So Intel doesn't need it because their significantly higher TDP part, on a supposedly superior process node, has a significantly weaker GPU? That's hardly a good sign.

 

[ShintaiDK]

So Intel doesn't need it because their significantly higher TDP part, on a supposedly superior process node, has a significantly weaker GPU? That's hardly a good sign.

Core M is less or same TDP as A9X

Apple is going custom GPU now, they had to use shortcuts for the previous. LPDDR4 was also there to boost CPU performance.

 

[coercitiv]

Core M is less or same TDP as A9X

What is the TDP of A9X?

 

[ShintaiDK]

What is the TDP of A9X?

Around 4-5W it seems. Core M is low power enough that it could be in a phablet.

 

[NTMBK]

Around 4-5W it seems. Core M is low power enough that it could be in a phablet.

Sure, you keep telling yourself that

 

[poofyhairguy]

So Intel doesn't need it because their significantly higher TDP part, on a supposedly superior process node, has a significantly weaker GPU? That's hardly a good sign.

When did we ever have high expectations for the Intel GPU division? For me that was circa 2005, hopes crushed by 2008.