Brian Krzanich resigns as intel ceo

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Shmee

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The way I see it, it was probably a cover up and they did not want to say the real reason. If it was not a cover up, that is a really dumb company policy, to fire someone for a consensual relationship. Either way, shame on Intel.

What they should have done, is retire him for performance issues and state the truth, or not fire him at all.
 

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The way I see it, it was probably a cover up and they did not want to say the real reason. If it was not a cover up, that is a really dumb company policy, to fire someone for a consensual relationship. Either way, shame on Intel.

What they should have done, is retire him for performance issues and state the truth, or not fire him at all.

That would require admitting that there is a huge problem, which would tank the share price. Better to pretend that everything is fine and boot out BK for breaking the rules.
 

Shmee

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Hmm, I get that they want to save their stock price, I don't think that makes it right though.
 
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ehume

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The way I see it, it was probably a cover up and they did not want to say the real reason. If it was not a cover up, that is a really dumb company policy, to fire someone for a consensual relationship. Either way, shame on Intel.

What they should have done, is retire him for performance issues and state the truth, or not fire him at all.
Wrong. What appears "consensual" from the point of view of the superior, or even from the outside, ignores the hidden coercions latent in any superior/inferior relationship. Note that we are not talking equals, here. That is another story.

For a company to rigidly require that no boss mess with an underling is an important policy that prevents sub-rosa coerced relationships -- relationships that wait until someone is let go, and show up in expensive lawsuits. There is money involved; hence, the policy.

And don't go hiding behind the characterization of the relationship as "consensual." If we ask the lady involved, she might have a very different perspective on the "persuasions" used.
 

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Wrong. What appears "consensual" from the point of view of the superior, or even from the outside, ignores the hidden coercions latent in any superior/inferior relationship. Note that we are not talking equals, here. That is another story.

For a company to rigidly require that no boss mess with an underling is an important policy that prevents sub-rosa coerced relationships -- relationships that wait until someone is let go, and show up in expensive lawsuits. There is money involved; hence, the policy.

And don't go hiding behind the characterization of the relationship as "consensual." If we ask the lady involved, she might have a very different perspective on the "persuasions" used.
Exactly, and very well said. I have been trying to get this across repeatedly in this thread, but get excoriated every time. I would agree that 10 nm was *probably* a major issue, but that does not negate the fact that an intimate relationship with someone over whom you have influence is a very serious violation, whether it is consensual or not.
 

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Interesting that both broke the rule, but only one got fired.
Usually it's the most senior position that feels the most wrath. But if it's a blanket to sleep with coworkers both should be let go. But we all have mentioned over and over and over again. This is all about putting a nearly transparent blanket over the real reason. They wanted him out this was a quick and easy one.
 
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ehume

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Interesting that both broke the rule, but only one got fired.
The superior was fired for taking advantage. To fire the underling would be punishing her for being the victim in the "relationship."
 

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It is obvious he is being forced out. They also might be trying to set the stage for a fight over his "Golden Parachute".
 

Shmee

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Wrong. What appears "consensual" from the point of view of the superior, or even from the outside, ignores the hidden coercions latent in any superior/inferior relationship. Note that we are not talking equals, here. That is another story.

For a company to rigidly require that no boss mess with an underling is an important policy that prevents sub-rosa coerced relationships -- relationships that wait until someone is let go, and show up in expensive lawsuits. There is money involved; hence, the policy.

And don't go hiding behind the characterization of the relationship as "consensual." If we ask the lady involved, she might have a very different perspective on the "persuasions" used.
That may be your opinion, but that does not make my opinion wrong. I am all for free love my friend That said, maybe we should ask the lady. See what she says. IMO the policy is wrong, or at least needs some tweaking. But that is another discussion besides the performance issues at Intel.
 

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The superior was fired for taking advantage. To fire the underling would be punishing her for being the victim in the "relationship."

No, the "victim" can always say no. And it can be both way, the underling can also seducing her superior to get some benefits.
 

wahdangun

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That may be your opinion, but that does not make my opinion wrong. I am all for free love my friend That said, maybe we should ask the lady. See what she says. IMO the policy is wrong, or at least needs some tweaking. But that is another discussion besides the performance issues at Intel.


Yeah, love is universal, anyone can love anybody, be it underling to superior or vice versa, because who we are ? We can't read anyone mind or heart.
 
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Even if the relationship is consensual by both parties, without any coercion, it is still firmly against policy, at least for most of the places I have worked, and I would assume intel as well. Even if the relationship is totally consensual by both parties, it still leaves the possibility of favoritism (or perceived favoritism by other employees who are passed over) or retaliation if the relationship ends badly. I hate to tell you guys, but workplace rules for sexual conduct have changed, whether you like it or not. And in this day of the "Me Too" movement, the scrutiny has gone to the extreme. Personally, I dont like some of the rules, and think they have gone too far, but I dont make them, and neither do the posters on this forum.
 

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The point is really very simple: with this much of a power imbalance involved it is near impossible to have a genuinely consensual relationship.

People find it incredibly hard to say no - endless recent examples of this.
 
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They are losing ground and losing fast and the fact that their 10nm is a complete disaster, the fact that they have no actual new products upcoming, the fact that they've peaked at the server and desktop markets and are dropping down, etc...

This story was a made up excuse to fire him and save face. Intel are positioned very badly for the future and this guy was part of that stagnation.
 

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Why o why do you guys buy this tripe?? The public story is a cover up. Have we already forgotten Spectre and Meltdown? Plus there are the other as-of-yet unreleased causes for concern. This was not about how someone made kissy faces in the executive washroom.
 
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He knew the rules and codes of conduct and he freely chose to break them. Case closed.

uhm, no? I haven't read the actual code of conduct but 9 out of 10 times it means that when people are in an active relationship one has to move to another department or move to a different job altogether (voluntarily within a certain time frame). I have never heard this being ground to fire someone when there is no actual relationship at hand. Formally, there might be a ground, but in practice this is very very unusual.

Like others have stated, given all the circumstances in which Intel has found itself - profits be damned - this was just an opportunity to get rid of him. What does surprise me is the ungraceful fashion in which he left. They either didnt offer it or he didn't accept the terms that went alongside.

Brian Krzanich may not have been guilty of everything that went wrong (he can hardly be blamed for Meltdown&Spectre) but under his tenure the 14nm transition went quite rough and was delayed, and the 10nm transition seems to be heading towards a complete failure. Never to my recollection was another process transition delayed by more than a few months in the history of Intel, and BOTH transitions under his tenure went wrong. They havent released even an update to the Core i architecture. With AMD Zen/EPYC, and windows on ARM / rumors of macOS on ARM quickly developing into major threats to their profit model, and Samsung / GF/ TSMC nearing or even surpassing them in process node technology their core (pun intended) business has become vulnerable to erosion over the last four/five years and will be on the verge of collapsing if this stagnation continues for another one/two years.

Indeed, profitability is not always an accurate reprensentation of the competitive state of your business. Microsoft was very profitable under Steve Ballmer (record years), yet his tenure is widely seen as a failure exactly for the same reasons.
 
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I have a suspecion he was offered a graceful out and said no, possibly unaware that the past relationship was enough grounds for an exit. The largest "nail in the coffin", as it were, for me was when he sold just about as much stock as he could after Intel knew about Spectre, but before the existence of Spectre was released to the public. I also believe the only reason for Intel not using this as the "official" reason is that Intel cannot afford to let that that word be even suggested as another cause for anything bad right now.
 

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I have a suspecion he was offered a graceful out and said no, possibly unaware that the past relationship was enough grounds for an exit. The largest "nail in the coffin", as it were, for me was when he sold just about as much stock as he could after Intel knew about Spectre, but before the existence of Spectre was released to the public. I also believe the only reason for Intel not using this as the "official" reason is that Intel cannot afford to let that that word be even suggested as another cause for anything bad right now.

Yes I worded poorly, it's likely he has been offered a graceful way out but maybe he refused as it might affect his golden handshake (compensation).

But, come to think of it, if there are two options offered:
a) leave voluntarily on record profits, head raised but no compensation
b) leave involuntarily based on an inappropriate but consensual relationship, with a generous compensation

Nobody in their right mind would choose the former.

As long as stockholders are satisfied with the performance/profitabilty of Intel, it is probably very hard to remove him for mismanagement of the core business. Steve Ballmer would have been evicted much earlier as well.
 
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