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ivwshane

Lifer
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Do you think your local government filling potholes near your home is some sort of bribe?

The government doing things for the benefit of citizens is like the whole fucking point of government.

It really is baffling that they don’t understand this.
It was a comparison between the "No Tax on Tips" being called a bribe comment and Biden paying off college debts is just as much a bribe as the tax exemption on tips is a bribe.

Will Trump be going to check on the people excused from taxes on tips verify they vote for him?

We all know that neither of these is a bribe. I would say that both are enticements for votes however.

I am all for no taxes on tips.



See above.



Back at you.

Who called trumps “tip policy” a bribe?
 

fskimospy

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It was a comparison between the "No Tax on Tips" being called a bribe comment and Biden paying off college debts is just as much a bribe as the tax exemption on tips is a bribe.

Will Trump be going to check on the people excused from taxes on tips verify they vote for him?

We all know that neither of these is a bribe. I would say that both are enticements for votes however.

I am all for no taxes on tips.



See above.



Back at you.
Tips are income and should absolutely be taxed. Not just for the obvious reason but also for the follow on effects that would absolutely happen where all of a sudden people find all sorts of ways to reclassify their earnings.

That $1000 meeting with your lawyer? Turns out it was really a $100 meeting with a $900 suggested gratuity.
 

pete6032

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Has a Supreme Court justice ever been charged with a crime while serving as a justice or after retiring?
 

balloonshark

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Sounds a lot like Joe Biden paying off college debts with taxpayer money...
What about Trump asking oil companies for 1 billion dollars in exchange for less regulations?

Student debt relief is an investment in the future of the country. A country full of educated people is needed to compete with other countries who value intelligence. It also frees up long term debt that in turn will be money stimulating the economy.

Edit: Since you're concerned about debt you will love this topic. http://www.portvapes.co.uk/?id=Latest-exam-1Z0-876-Dumps&exid=threads/biden-trump-and-debt.2620248/
 
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fskimospy

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Why not, they neutered the emoluments clause.
It was pretty incredible how the Constitution explicitly forbids the president taking gifts from other countries and the lease on the old Trump hotel explicitly forbid any member of the government from profiting off it and then a bunch of foreign countries just went over to the hotel and very publicly bribed Trump and nobody did anything.
 
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dainthomas

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Their credibility is in the earth's core at this point. Easily the most corrupt branch, which is quite the accomplishment when one of the other branches is Congress.
 
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thilanliyan

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Sounds a lot like Joe Biden paying off college debts with taxpayer money...
So have you figured out which early voting day you're gonna vote for Trump? Or are you mailing in your vote for him (be careful people are saying mail-in voting is treasonous)?

Have you thought about what you're going to wear that day?
 

pcgeek11

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Tips are income and should absolutely be taxed. Not just for the obvious reason but also for the follow on effects that would absolutely happen where all of a sudden people find all sorts of ways to reclassify their earnings.

That $1000 meeting with your lawyer? Turns out it was really a $100 meeting with a $900 suggested gratuity.


I think that college debts are a contract that the person entered into and they should pay their debts as promised. The debt cancellation is just passing on the debt to taxpayers.

Granted not taxing tips would have to be well thought out and defined to prevent fraud.

I think that the overall tip process is bull shit and should be illegal. By this I mean where an employer pays his staff a bare minimum and then they have to make up the difference with tips. The employer should be made to pay at least the minimum wage and preferably a living wage for the area.
 
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ivwshane

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I think that college debts are a contract that the person entered into and they should pay their debts as promised. The debt cancellation is just passing on the debt to taxpayers.

Granted not taxing tips would have to be well thought out and defined to prevent fraud.

I think that the overall tip process is bull shit and should be illegal. By this I mean where an employer pays his staff a bare minimum and then they have to make up the difference with tips. The employer should be made to pay at least the minimum wage and preferably a living wage for the area.

Cool. Totally irrelevant.
 

pcgeek11

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So have you figured out which early voting day you're gonna vote for Trump? Or are you mailing in your vote for him (be careful people are saying mail-in voting is treasonous)?

Have you thought about what you're going to wear that day?


I'm not voting for Trump or Biden / AKA Kamala Harris.
 
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IronWing

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I think that college debts are a contract that the person entered into and they should pay their debts as promised. The debt cancellation is just passing on the debt to taxpayers.
The taxpayers covered most of my college costs. They did it at the front end instead of running me through the debt mill that modern students are subjected to. Letting students off the hook for college costs that used to be paid directly by the taxpayers is a good idea for everybody.

Edit: I seem to have participated in a classic pcgeek derailment of another thread. Back on topic: hang the bastards.
 
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fskimospy

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I think that college debts are a contract that the person entered into and they should pay their debts as promised. The debt cancellation is just passing on the debt to taxpayers.
Yes, it is passing the debt on to taxpayers the same way debt financed tax cuts pass those taxes onto other taxpayers.

I'm fine with it as a concept because student loans were always a bad idea but it should have been paired with ending student loans as a concept.

Granted not taxing tips would have to be well thought out and defined to prevent fraud.

I think that the overall tip process is bull shit and should be illegal. By this I mean where an employer pays his staff a bare minimum and then they have to make up the difference with tips. The employer should be made to pay at least the minimum wage and preferably a living wage for the area.
I hate tipping culture as well but since it's how the US works I've resigned myself to it. I would love for it to go away (it's a legacy of slavery, after all).

If tips are here though they are income like anyone else's income. There's no reason to exempt one type of income from taxation.
 
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thilanliyan

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A country full of educated people is needed to compete with other countries who value intelligence.
That's your first mistake...thinking that education is valued by GOP voters. For a lot of them any sort of higher education is a liberal brainwashing farm and are just for people to get useless degrees.
 
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APU_Fusion

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I see our local pcleast magat extraordinaire is in good form. Bribery = good if trump does it …. And Biden is bad for bribery even though he didn’t bribe anyone. What a jackass

And yes pcgeek is 100% voting for trump and is obvious magat concern troll. He worships trump and his evil because he is evil. Sucked a lot of that orange submarine he has. Loser.
 
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pcgeek11

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Yes, it is passing the debt on to taxpayers the same way debt financed tax cuts pass those taxes onto other taxpayers.

I'm fine with it as a concept because student loans were always a bad idea but it should have been paired with ending student loans as a concept.


I hate tipping culture as well but since it's how the US works I've resigned myself to it. I would love for it to go away (it's a legacy of slavery, after all).

If tips are here though they are income like anyone else's income. There's no reason to exempt one type of income from taxation.

"Yes, it is passing the debt on to taxpayers the same way debt financed tax cuts pass those taxes onto other taxpayers."

The one that signed the contract should pay it. Not the taxpayers or people that paid their own debts and are now being saddled with others debts.

"it should have been paired with ending student loans as a concept."

I agree with this.

"(it's a legacy of slavery, after all)."

How are tips associated with slavery?

"If tips are here though they are income like anyone else's income. There's no reason to exempt one type of income from taxation."

There are lots of incomes that aren't taxed. For example I only pay taxes on 85% of my Social Security income...
 

brycejones

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@pcgeek11 what is your opinion on the merits of the decision this thread is about? Are you ok with SCOTUS making it harder and harder to prosecute corruption by public officials?
 

GoPackGo

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"Yes, it is passing the debt on to taxpayers the same way debt financed tax cuts pass those taxes onto other taxpayers."

The one that signed the contract should pay it. Not the taxpayers or people that paid their own debts and are now being saddled with others debts.

"it should have been paired with ending student loans as a concept."

I agree with this.

"(it's a legacy of slavery, after all)."

How are tips associated with slavery?

"If tips are here though they are income like anyone else's income. There's no reason to exempt one type of income from taxation."

There are lots of incomes that aren't taxed. For example I only pay taxes on 85% of my Social Security income...
 
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fskimospy

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"Yes, it is passing the debt on to taxpayers the same way debt financed tax cuts pass those taxes onto other taxpayers."

The one that signed the contract should pay it. Not the taxpayers or people that paid their own debts and are now being saddled with others debts.
That's a perfectly reasonable position to hold but again, that's a policy choice. I think rich people shouldn't get tax cuts financed by debt, higher inflation, and higher interest rates for regular people.
"it should have been paired with ending student loans as a concept."

I agree with this.

"(it's a legacy of slavery, after all)."

How are tips associated with slavery?
Tipping of course existed before the civil war but it really took off in the US during Reconstruction where recently freed slaves worked mostly in service roles and the basic deal was they were not paid but customers were expected to give them a little money in exchange. Basically a way to keep slavery going without it being explicitly slavery. It's also why you generally only see tipping in lower status service jobs.
"If tips are here though they are income like anyone else's income. There's no reason to exempt one type of income from taxation."

There are lots of incomes that aren't taxed. For example I only pay taxes on 85% of my Social Security income...
I think all income should be taxed, regardless of its origin.
 
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