Bring on the civil unions already..

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Friend put this up on facebook. This kind of crap just needs to stop already, this is an outrage. Bring on the civil unions for all.

http://www.nclrights.org/site/PageServer?pagename=issue_caseDocket_Greene_v_County_of_Sonoma_et_al

Greene v. County of Sonoma et al.



Clay and his partner of 20 years, Harold, lived in California. Clay and Harold made diligent efforts to protect their legal rights, and had their legal paperwork in place—wills, powers of attorney, and medical directives, all naming each other. Harold was 88 years old and in frail medical condition, but still living at home with Clay, 77, who was in good health.
One evening, Harold fell down the front steps of their home and was taken to the hospital. Based on their medical directives alone, Clay should have been consulted in Harold’s care from the first moment. Tragically, county and health care workers instead refused to allow Clay to see Harold in the hospital. The county then ultimately went one step further by isolating the couple from each other, placing the men in separate nursing homes.
Ignoring Clay’s significant role in Harold’s life, the county continued to treat Harold like he had no family and went to court seeking the power to make financial decisions on his behalf. Outrageously, the county represented to the judge that Clay was merely Harold’s “roommate.” The court denied their efforts, but did grant the county limited access to one of Harold’s bank accounts to pay for his care.
What happened next is even more chilling: without authority, without determining the value of Clay and Harold’s possessions accumulated over the course of their 20 years together or making any effort to determine which items belonged to whom, the county took everything Harold and Clay owned and auctioned off all of their belongings. Adding further insult to grave injury, the county removed Clay from his home and confined him to a nursing home against his will. The county workers then terminated Clay and Harold's lease and surrendered the home they had shared for many years to the landlord.
Three months after he was hospitalized, Harold died in the nursing home. Because of the county’s actions, Clay missed the final months he should have had with his partner of 20 years. Compounding this tragedy, Clay has literally nothing left of the home he had shared with Harold or the life he was living up until the day that Harold fell, because he has been unable to recover any of his property. The only memento Clay has is a photo album that Harold painstakingly put together for Clay during the last three months of his life.
With the help of a dedicated and persistent court-appointed attorney, Anne Dennis of Santa Rosa, Clay was finally released from the nursing home. Ms. Dennis, along with Stephen O'Neill and Margaret Flynn of Tarkington, O'Neill, Barrack & Chong, now represent Clay in a lawsuit against the county, the auction company, and the nursing home, with technical assistance from NCLR. A trial date has been set for July 16, 2010 in the Superior Court for the County of Sonoma.
 

Rainsford

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I feel like these stories tell anyone all they need to know about how much protests against "gay marriage" really have to do with the second word and not the first. I think it should be obvious given the number of states that have also enacted bans against anything remotely related to civil unions, but for some reason every gay marriage discussion inevitably leads to protestations that it's just about protecting marriage, nobody has any problems with gay people or gay relationships.
 

Moonbeam

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All this bigotry and hate against gays is caused because of the Bible and the Absolute Word of God, or should I say Words of God since nobody reads the Word in the same way or can agree on what they mean which is good because that way everybody gets to be absolutely right with a million conflicting but absolute truths. But it has to be this way because nobody can justify their hate if they weren't absolutely right and if we couldn't justify our hate, where the fuck would we be?
 

Mani

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All this bigotry and hate against gays is caused because of the Bible and the Absolute Word of God, or should I say Words of God since nobody reads the Word in the same way or can agree on what they mean which is good because that way everybody gets to be absolutely right with a million conflicting but absolute truths.

This is why the only absolute truth about a book that claims to be the absolute truth is that it is absolutely not.
 

Lanyap

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Only one side of the story so far. Looks like it's going to court soon. Maybe we should wait for the facts.

Today I received a comment on the Greene Vs. County of Sonoma story:

It’s a REALLY infuriating story, but…

I’m always mystified when I see
Results 1 - 10 of about 93,000 for Greene v. County of Sonoma.
to something like this, and can’t find anything on any news site, & all the references end up pointing back to one source.

I just don’t like it when there’s
1) a VERY infuriating story,
2) no dates on when any of this happened,
3) has things like “the county removed Clay from his home and confined him to a nursing home against his will” without saying HOW they did that… what, just because they’re EVIL?
4), like I said, every reference I can find to the story points back to one source. It just starts to sound too anecdotal.
My first reaction is to be ANGRY, OUTRAGED, but that little voice is saying “wait a minute… check the facts.” and I can’t FIND any.

Does ANYONE have any additional info on this story?
Here is what I know: On November 3, 2009 the Sonoma Board of Supervisors discussed the case of “Clay M. Greene, Jannette Biggerstaff, Executor of the Estate of Harold Scull, Deceased v. County of Sonoma, et al.Superior Court of California, County of Sonoma, SPR-81815” in a closed session. It doesn’t seem uncommon for a probate dispute to be handled in closed session, but it does point to this being a real story.

The source that I obtained the story from was Andy Towle’s Towleroad blog, a popular blog focusing on Gay Men’s Issues. Towle picked it up from Dan Savage, who blogs for The Stranger in Seattle, and who is usually the first to pick up stories from the NCLR, the National Center for Lesbian Rights. The NCLR is very much like the ACLU, except dealing with Queer Issues instead of speech. There is a lot of cross-pollination between the NCLR, the ACLU, and Lambda Legal - Constance Miller’s prom challenge was handled by the ACLU, even though Constance is a lesbian, and there were portions of her case dealing with sexual orientation discrimination.
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http://garlandgrey.com/post/532479961/response-to-greene-v-county-of-sonoma-et-al
 

MJinZ

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Those fuckers involved should have their shirts sued off their backs.

I love how people bad-mouth Lawyers and then depend on them for their very lives against the fuckers of our world.
 

bfdd

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The whole gay marriage "problem", I don't have a problem with gay marriage at all, I mean the problem of us fighting over it, is a perfect example of the government stepping to far into our lives. If marriage wasn't regulated, this wouldn't be a problem.
 

GroundedSailor

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The whole gay marriage "problem", I don't have a problem with gay marriage at all, I mean the problem of us fighting over it, is a perfect example of the government stepping to far into our lives. If marriage wasn't regulated, this wouldn't be a problem.

Its not govt making the problem. It's people guided by religious ideas and sentiment, who claim moral superiority, who are raising the issue to problem levels.
 

bfdd

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Its not govt making the problem. It's people guided by religious ideas and sentiment, who claim moral superiority, who are raising the issue to problem levels.

You're fucking kidding right? The government is solely responsible for this mess. They are the ones who give the people fighting it the power because of their regulation. If it was not regulated anyone could marry and get those rights by presenting proof of union(that's all marriage is.)
 

MJinZ

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The whole gay marriage "problem", I don't have a problem with gay marriage at all, I mean the problem of us fighting over it, is a perfect example of the government stepping to far into our lives. If marriage wasn't regulated, this wouldn't be a problem.

How could you NOT regulate it? Marriage is a binding legal agreement between 2 parties. Ever heard of Divorce settlements? Alimony? How the hell do you think you can make someone else PAY YOU for decades just because you lived in the same house?

The problem is that the religious people being the arrogant fucks many of them are, think that they own marriage, when marriage has existed long before their religion had ever been invented and legal marriage is completely unrelated to the tax authority they call a Church.
 

bfdd

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How could you NOT regulate it? Marriage is a binding legal agreement between 2 parties. Ever heard of Divorce settlements? Alimony? How the hell do you think you can make someone else PAY YOU for decades just because you lived in the same house?

The problem is that the religious people being the arrogant fucks many of them are, think that they own marriage, when marriage has existed long before their religion had ever been invented and legal marriage is completely unrelated to the tax authority they call a Church.

No the problem is the government, divorce cases are settled in civil court, you know the same place if you sue ANYONE it's handled in. You don't need government regulation and licensing for divorce settlements and alimony to be decided upon in a civil court.
 

MJinZ

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No the problem is the government, divorce cases are settled in civil court, you know the same place if you sue ANYONE it's handled in. You don't need government regulation and licensing for divorce settlements and alimony to be decided upon in a civil court.

Ahahhahahahhaha.

I wonder where we get our laws from....... I know, teh Courts must make them up as they go!
 

theflyingpig

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You're fucking kidding right? The government is solely responsible for this mess. They are the ones who give the people fighting it the power because of their regulation. If it was not regulated anyone could marry and get those rights by presenting proof of union(that's all marriage is.)

It is religious foolishness that has infected the government that caused this.
 

RoloMather

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Fools. The Word of God in the Bible is absolute and it's definitely against homosexuals.

Fight God if you want, but you shall not win in the end.

Matthew 7
13Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
14Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
 

MJinZ

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Fools. The Word of God in the Bible is absolute and it's definitely against homosexuals.

Fight God if you want, but you shall not win in the end.

Matthew 7
13Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
14Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

What, God can't change his mind? He changed his mind about keeping slaves right? Wait, did he?
 

Lanyap

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I really try not to use this term often, but it is down right bigotry.

You found the facts? These are allegations in a law suit. What if it's found that they handle this type of situation with older hetero partners the same way? If not, they have a chance at winning. NCLR does seem to be pulling the lefts emo strings on this one.
 

MJinZ

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This is the fallacy of God. How can the all knowing God of Fools ever change his mind?

I think it's the people who worship the God that changes their minds. Black people suddenly changed the God who had sent the slavers to Heaven to fit their image. Now suddenly, God is Black too right?

And Jesus was a middle-easterner. People need to get their facts straight.
 

dawp

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Fools. The Word of God in the Bible is absolute and it's definitely against homosexuals.

Fight God if you want, but you shall not win in the end.

Matthew 7
13Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
14Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

the word of "god" is the word of man put into "god's" mouth. prove to me otherwise.
 

nageov3t

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Fools. The Word of God in the Bible is absolute and it's definitely against homosexuals.

Fight God if you want, but you shall not win in the end.

Matthew 7
13Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
14Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
god is welcome to damn the gays to hell in the afterlife, but what does that have to do with contracts made between two people on earth?
 

Moonbeam

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god is welcome to damn the gays to hell in the afterlife, but what does that have to do with contracts made between two people on earth?

The whole raison d'être of folk like Rolo who were brutalized by 'loving Christians' with the fear of hell if they dared to think a single thought for themselves, is to put you in the same brain dead state they are in. These folk are so afraid of God they decided to become Him and speak for Him with absolute authority here in this world too. Why wait for hell when you can create it right here. It's really a big ego rush to determine what contracts other folk can make. How else are you going to express how self important you have to feel to keep away the realization you worship the Devil.
 

HumblePie

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... you don't have to break the law to end up in civil court.

bfdd, you are suffering from some form of misguided delusion here. You seem to equate civil courts with arbitration. I assure you it is not.

Yes, anyone can file a civil suit claim against you. However, for anyone to WIN a civil suit, they must have the law on their side. This means there must be laws written specifically dictating why one person wins over the other. It's not some judgement made up on a whim by a person sitting in a high chair wearing a voluminous black robe despite all the depictions day time TV has shown.

Again, civil courts are for restitution of NON CRIMINAL proceedings. Again, you are debating under mis-information at best or just delusions at worst. You seem to have no clue what that statement means. When I read your posts I could only shake my head and wonder what the fvck you were talking about.
 
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