British scientist argues against ID better than anyone I have heard.

[AnthroAndStargate]

Text

He really hits the nail on the hammer in this video... I love the indignant British "Certainly not" also.

I think this speaks a lot to our media system right now - look how the 3 men discuss and interview - it's totally different then our networks. If this was on FOX or CNN they would have brought up some lame ass talking points (they = anchors) and not given the scientist any chance to speak - and perhaps related it back to the 'culture war'.

Still a good video though. Enjoy.

(edit) btw - sorry for that site, seems like some weirdo ashiest sites.

 

[ElFenix]

i want to see the rest of it, seems like it just cuts off

 

[DaWhim]

ID for infectious desases?

 

[tennisflip]

Originally posted by: DaWhim
ID for infectious desases?

Intelligent Design

 

[thecrecarc]

Originally posted by: ElFenix
i want to see the rest of it, seems like it just cuts off

same

 

[Connoisseur]

Originally posted by: AnthroAndStargate
Text

He really hits the nail on the hammer in this video... I love the indignant British "Certainly not" also.

I think this speaks a lot to our media system right now - look how the 3 men discuss and interview - it's totally different then our networks. If this was on FOX or CNN they would have brought up some lame ass talking points (they = anchors) and not given the scientist any chance to speak - and perhaps related it back to the 'culture war'.

Still a good video though. Enjoy.

(edit) btw - sorry for that site, seems like some weirdo ashiest sites.

I still don't notice that much of a difference between British TV and American TV. It's still a whole lot of poo-slinging from either side. Instead of a hearty American "That's the dumbest thing i've ever heard", they use "I am aghast at the supposition of...". While I agree the anchor is doing a decent job, I'd really like to see the rest of the vid to watch how it pans out.

FWIW, I've read several articles related to ID. Many of them flat out state that there MUST be a god/intelligent designer while others want to poke holes in Darwinian theory. To me, it just seems like they're trying to knead ID to the public's satisfaction for a mass rollout. Frankly, I support the Darwinian scientist in that respect because criticism is fine as long as it's met by a testable hypothesis that can be supported by experimentation.

 

[DefDC]

A friend of mine at work, who's way into Jesus, said one of the most scary things... "I don't know... I kind of like having an answer for everything..."

:Q

 

[iamaelephant]

Assholes like that christian prick can't be reasoned with. Is it so wrong to want to keep religion and science separate?

 

[Wuffsunie]

Originally posted by: iamaelephant
Assholes like that christian prick can't be reasoned with. Is it so wrong to want to keep religion and science separate?

In some parts of the world it's wrong to want to keep religion and anything separate.

 

[mercanucaribe]

Of course in the US, creationism and intelligent design get more airtime than evolution.

 

[EarthwormJim]

Originally posted by: mercanucaribe
Of course in the US, creationism and intelligent design get more airtime than evolution.

Has to do with what the general public believes. I would say the majority do believe in ID.

I remember in my college Biology class, many of the students were not happy when we came upon the Evolution sections. Infact many were disgusted that they even had to learn about evolution.

 

[jjzelinski]

Originally posted by: DaWhim
ID for infectious desases?

Yeah pretty much

 

[Fenixgoon]

Originally posted by: EarthwormJim

Originally posted by: mercanucaribe
Of course in the US, creationism and intelligent design get more airtime than evolution.

Has to do with what the general public believes. I would say the majority do believe in ID.

I remember in my college Biology class, many of the students were not happy when we came upon the Evolution sections. Infact many were disgusted that they even had to learn about evolution.

where'd you go to college?

 

[The Sauce]

This made me remember the study that demonstrated a direct relationship between belief in creationism and rate of violent crimes across various cultures. It's something that we all knew and was subsequently proven. Irrational thought begets irrational behaviour. It was discussed on here like a year ago.

I think that this sort of stupidity is being bled out of our society over time. ID is a desperate move by a group of Christian zealots to try to hold things together as they are coming apart at the seams.

 

[jjzelinski]

I heard an interesting analysis yesterday on the BBC (maybe NPR...) and the speaker quite eloquently pointed out that the general public has a massive misconception of what a "theory" is. He suggests that while a theory requires a large body of proven evidence to support the conclusion the theory postulates, the public tends to think of "theory" as conjecture. Ironically, between creationism and evolution, I think it's pretty clear which one is based upon conjecture.

 

[AnthroAndStargate]

What I noticed is that ID/Creationism always assumes evolution is 'taking god out of the equation'. This seems to be BS to me - when have you EVER heard a evolutionary scientist (outside of South Park) say that 'we can prove god did not start evolution.' NEVER. They don't say it because it has nothing to do with science and is not testable. Therefore a kid learning about evolution in class does not mean the class is telling him God or gods do not exist - that is up to him to decide.

Evolutionary teaching starts with - we have these cells... now lets begin. Anything before that is left up to the unprovable faith based realm. We should be arguing this point to the 75% of Americans who do not believe in evolution (is this figure actually true - I have heard a few people tell me this - we are fscked as a nation if so - but then again Carl Sagan said that for years (that if we create a small super educated body of 'preachers' (engineers and scientists) who are the only ones with scientific education and knowledge of super sophisticated technology and leave the rest of the public uneducated to general matters of science our country will be ruined... and it is happening.)

 

[imported_hscorpio]

You should watch the Beyond Belief 2006 videos. In particular watch this part where Neil deGrasse Tyson brings up some great points about ID. Its long but worth the time.

 

[Zenmervolt]

He's not arguing against ID. He's taking the correct scientific approach, which is to say that science, as a discipline, is ONLY interested in the means through which things happen and that science limits itself to causes and machinations that are observable, repeatable, and testable.

While I believe in God and am Christian, I am among the first people to point out that ID and Creationism have NO PLACE WHATSOEVER in a science classroom. It is not a scientific concept at all. It's quite simply a theological proposition and not a scientific one.

ZV

 

[phantom309]

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt
He's not arguing against ID. He's taking the correct scientific approach, which is to say that science, as a discipline, is ONLY interested in the means through which things happen and that science limits itself to causes and machinations that are observable, repeatable, and testable.

While I believe in God and am Christian, I am among the first people to point out that ID and Creationism have NO PLACE WHATSOEVER in a science classroom. It is not a scientific concept at all. It's quite simply a theological proposition and not a scientific one.

ZV

This is why I get a little leery of scientists "arguing" with those people. There is no argument. There hasn't been an argument for 100 years. The religious nuts are attempting to bring themselves to the level of the scientific community by pretending there's a contraversy and demanding that scientists address it.