Britney Spears without autotune

[rh71]

FAR better than I expected, and I suspect far better than many other successful recording artists. Wasn't there a recording of JLo warming up for good morning america or something that sounded like a rabbit getting run over.

That was Beyonce and it was because she knew she was just syncing to it.

She can sing if she tried:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tq8tK1rGpog
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UqzKEMqKwf0

Britney on the other hand is more of an entertainer... her dancing doesn't let her sing in tune anyway. I guess Pink can do it but she's not as physical.

 

[Markbnj]

Removing the EQ, compressor, and choruses on most songs in the modern age would cause them to sound terrible.

Yeah, a lot of them will, but unless they were sung by one of these manufactured Disney princess types, they won't sound off pitch.

 

[LTC8K6]

Huh?

I think she has the timing of the song wrong, and it bothers me compared to the Wizard of Oz version.

 

[Printer Bandit]

the beat is nice.

and this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2IkEhtI3VEY


unrelated:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7e2xzcNtzg

 

[mikeford]

Old studio trick when a client is being a PITA, "accidentally" play back their vocal dry, no reverb, no effects etc.

OTOH some audiophile labels are digging out masters from the 50's and 60's where wonderful singers had their voices buried in effects to please radio. Ability to sing USED to be a requirement for singers. Now many of the greatest singers get 3rd rank treatment in favor of far less talented "entertainers".

 

[Howard]

I think she has the timing of the song wrong, and it bothers me compared to the Wizard of Oz version.

It is a cover after all.

 

[Olikan]

that was horrible! She never took singing lessons?

she could be a great singer today, if she took lessons when she started ¬¬

 

[BikeJunkie]

lol that shit is awful

I've been to junior high performances that would blow that out of the water

 

[shortylickens]

She's an entertainment package. her manager made her famous because she was able to sell an image. Singing is only a small part of that.

I kinda thought that was obvious back in 1999, but I guess people actually thought she could sing.

 

[z1ggy]

That's why I usually only judge any singer/band by how they perform live. Your studio tracks might sound like magic, but if you can't make it happen on stage in front of your fans... Then you actually suck.

I'm always amazed when I see a band perform live, and they sound exactly as good as they do on the record. It's a real treat.

 

[dabuddha]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZcP6rGmiWs


Wrong girl.

Oops.

Hah I LOLed

 

[LTC8K6]

That's why I usually only judge any singer/band by how they perform live. Your studio tracks might sound like magic, but if you can't make it happen on stage in front of your fans... Then you actually suck.

I'm always amazed when I see a band perform live, and they sound exactly as good as they do on the record. It's a real treat.

Keep in mind that autotune can be done at a live concert.

http://www.antarestech.com/products/detail.php?product=Auto-Tune_Live_2

 

[z1ggy]

Keep in mind that autotune can be done at a live concert.

http://www.antarestech.com/products/detail.php?product=Auto-Tune_Live_2

Autotune can't keep everybody in rhythm, make the drummer be able to time every single bass/snare note properly, etc.

One of my fav bands is Between The Buired And Me, because of how well they play live. There music is incredibly technically difficult to play. It's difficult in it's own right due to some of the shear speed and movement you need to have on the fret board, but it's not down right shredding.

They play their entire CD live, from beginning to end with out stopping, with no mistakes at all. Autotune can't help them there.

 

[LTC8K6]

Autotune can't keep everybody in rhythm, make the drummer be able to time every single bass/snare note properly, etc.

One of my fav bands is Between The Buired And Me, because of how well they play live. There music is incredibly technically difficult to play. It's difficult in it's own right due to some of the shear speed and movement you need to have on the fret board, but it's not down right shredding.

They play their entire CD live, from beginning to end with out stopping, with no mistakes at all. Autotune can't help them there.

The singer could still use autotune live, though. I'm just saying that "live" is not a guarantee that you are hearing the lead singer's actual voice.

I'm not sure with Metal bands, that anyone cares about the lead singer sounding all that good.

I'm not sure about a drum, but you can also autotune a guitar.

Altering a singer's voice goes way back, too.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vocoder

 

[manimal]

Ive been a voice teacher for 20 plus years as well as performing for over 35 years and this does not surprise me one bit. She is horribly coached has no center to her pitch and has no breath support to speak of.

These are things my 4 year olds are learning and they have about as tenuous grasp at intonation as she does.

Talent has become marketing. If you can fit mediocre talent into greg bradys jacket you have a winner.....


If you look at Lady Gaga she can actually sing live on her own accapella.

I have perfect relative pitch and that shit makes my spine hurt.....





Its really a question of lazyness and enabling of her handlers. She doenst have to support because the software does that for you...




Even Madonna in her prime could belt out a tune in tune and give you goose bumps...



Even classical stars are falling into this trap. I performed with a very well known soprano about 10 years ago and she had to have sound reinforcement at the house we were performing at and they did clean up her intonation.


There were chorus girls who could have done it cold but she has sold a ton of albums.....

 

[BeeBoop]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZcP6rGmiWs


Wrong girl.

Oops.

I don't know about that. There's just too much editing going on to tell if he was really talking to Demi or Britney. The editing made it look like he was talking to Demi but why did Britney get offended? They didn't even show his entire performance, just some dancing.

 

[TheAdvocate]

She's an entertainment package. her manager made her famous because she was able to sell an image. Singing is only a small part of that.

I kinda thought that was obvious back in 1999, but I guess people actually thought she could sing.

Do people seriously not get this? Almost all of the pop stars and bands on the radio are absolute crap in terms of raw talent. They're mostly about an easily sellable image and/or a clever hook. That's why none of the music has any staying power.

It doesn't matter how often it is repeated, but if you want to hear real talent, you have to work at least a little bit for it (at the very least pull up a few indie music blogs) these days. Even the indie scene has its fads and poseurs. There are plenty of low profile people with amazing talent that rarely get heard. The industry is completely broken and has been, since long before napster/mp3s/internet. It produces marketable substitutes (not at all unlike single slice processed imitation cheese), instead of quality, because that's what gets the quick buck.

BTW - thanks for the Eva Cassidy link. Hadn't heard her in a while. She was a gem.

 

[desura]

That was Beyonce and it was because she knew she was just syncing to it.

She can sing if she tried:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tq8tK1rGpog
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UqzKEMqKwf0

Britney on the other hand is more of an entertainer... her dancing doesn't let her sing in tune anyway. I guess Pink can do it but she's not as physical.

Wow, that was amazing.

 

[Imp]

The excuse going around right now is that she was warming up and making noises for the sound engineer to tune his equipment...

 

[moonbogg]

Hmm. She just sounds like a regular middle class chick singing karaoke.

 

[z1ggy]

The singer could still use autotune live, though. I'm just saying that "live" is not a guarantee that you are hearing the lead singer's actual voice.

I'm not sure with Metal bands, that anyone cares about the lead singer sounding all that good.

I'm not sure about a drum, but you can also autotune a guitar.

Altering a singer's voice goes way back, too.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vocoder

Yeah I mean...He more screams/growls/what ever you want to call it, so I doubt they need to autotune that.

And I know you can autotune guitar, but that still does not change the fact that the band plays in time flawlessly for 60 minutes straight. Autotune can't make your fingers move faster if you speed the track up in the studio.

All I'm really saying is, when a band can play all the really fast solo's, breakdowns or interludes and they sound clean without mess ups, it's very impressive and I have a lot more respect that they probably don't need to alter the recording much in the studio.

I know one band who did/does is System of A Down. Holy balls did they suck live.

 

[ElFenix]

ashlee simpson raw after she got caught syncing on SNL:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5YPiBx9MJs

 

[Ns1]

Y'all should watch "20 feet from stardom". They mention it several times - raw talent does not lead to success.

 

[BikeJunkie]

If you look at Lady Gaga she can actually sing live on her own accapella.

I don't care at all for her music, but she's actually exceptionally talented and has had deep, highly regarded training.

 

[z1ggy]

Also, can anybody find any raw video/audio of Sia? I assume she uses autotune as well on the album, but I've seen her performances up on youtube, and she still sounded really good, so I'm thinking autotune there as well.

Her one song Chandelier has some insanely high notes, even for a woman. Not quite Mariah Carey high, but even my g/f who is a really good singer can't even hit it.