Broadwell @ 14 nm already taped out and working

[Fjodor2001]

See:

http://www.fudzilla.com/home/item/28722-intel-14-nm-broadwell-chip-works

Won't be available for almost 2 years though. So now go buy some of those IB and Haswell chips in the meantime... :whiste:

 

[Idontcare]

Its about the same lead that IB and Haswell had in terms of functioning silicon versus release date.

There is a reason Intel enjoys >60% gross margins, part of that comes from having the time to micro-optimize their products for maximal margins. The story of broadwell is just more of the same in that regard.

 

[MisterMac]

I think intel is starting to play it smart - instead of bragging the advantage in light of day trying to keep things more close circuit.

In light of the expected troubles at 14nm and below - seems like a solid way to have a rumour buffer and secretly control the PR about what you have and don't have.

Sneaky'ish no doubt but.. yea.


Still impressive, if the base proto is already out and running.

 

[tweakboy]

Is Broadway a 2014 release, if not, it is not worth the wait and skip Howard I mean haswell.

 

[Tsavo]

Freaky.

Intel must be staffed by aliens.

 

[eternalone]

lol and AMD can barely muster up a Trinity chip with almost phenom 2 performance.

 

[Lepton87]

And Steamroller core performance figures are only based on simulations, not on a working silicon, which we all know by the example of BD how well they work for AMD. Reminds me of IPC increases, IPC increases, IPC increases we all know and love to hate.

 

[Phynaz]

It's Fudzilla, let's not take this as fact.

 

[aigomorla]

Its about the same lead that IB and Haswell had in terms of functioning silicon versus release date.

There is a reason Intel enjoys >60% gross margins, part of that comes from having the time to micro-optimize their products for maximal margins. The story of broadwell is just more of the same in that regard.

+1 this.

It's Fudzilla, let's not take this as fact.

no i bet you intel has a working proto.
Its like IDC says....

How many of u guys remember how long i was flaunting 32nm when everyone was stuck 45nm.
I know IDC remembers how long some of the stuff took b4 even anand got word of it.

 

[VirtualLarry]

pretty amazing. I wonder what the voltage and OCing potential is of these new chips?

Should I hold out for Haswell?

Or should I picked up a 2700K and high-end mobo at MC for around $400, and ride it out for another two years?

 

[aigomorla]

Dude if haswell has a hexcore im all over it.

IF not... i guess my gulfie wont be replaced anytime soon.

 

[blastingcap]

pretty amazing. I wonder what the voltage and OCing potential is of these new chips?

Should I hold out for Haswell?

Or should I picked up a 2700K and high-end mobo at MC for around $400, and ride it out for another two years?

Depends on your needs. if you are running an htpc it's different than gaming or rendering, obviously.

 

[Valis]

What kind of GPUs will these chips have? Same sub par stuff as 2500 and 4000? :-/

 

[NTMBK]

Dude if haswell has a hexcore im all over it.

IF not... i guess my gulfie wont be replaced anytime soon.

As far as I'm aware, no 6 core Haswell is planned.

 

[ShintaiDK]

What kind of GPUs will these chips have? Same sub par stuff as 2500 and 4000? :-/

GPU wise in terms of generation.
SB is 6, IB is 7 GPU. HW is 7+ and BW is 8.

The configuration is still unknown for BW.

 

[LogOver]

What kind of GPUs will these chips have? Same sub par stuff as 2500 and 4000? :-/

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6355/intels-haswell-architecture/12

 

[aigomorla]

As far as I'm aware, no 6 core Haswell is planned.

well im thinking of a xeon.. :whiste:

 

[Arachnotronic]

well im thinking of a xeon.. :whiste:

Haswell-EP for you?

 

[tipoo]

What kind of GPUs will these chips have? Same sub par stuff as 2500 and 4000? :-/

Broadwell, unlike Haswell, will have a new GPU architecture. Haswell just has minor tweaks, more EUs and lower clocks to save power. We don't know how it will perform yet, but hopefully it will be more proportionally than Haswells disappointing jump.

 

[khon]

This shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone.

There's a long way to go from first working silicon to a product that can be released in mass volume, so they always have to have it ready at least a year before release.

 

[IntelUser2000]

but hopefully it will be more proportionally than Haswells disappointing jump.

Actually dreams of really big gains on the iGPU side died with their new focus on lower power.

Also note its update of the existing architecture that brings big performance increases, less often the new architecture. Case in point is the GMA X4500(new arch) vs GMA HD(updated arch), and Ivy Bridge's 50-60% gain with Haswell's 2x gain. You could think of it as them focusing on performance when existing architecture's faults are reduced.

 

[Arachnotronic]

Actually dreams of really big gains on the iGPU side died with their new focus on lower power.

Also note its update of the existing architecture that brings big performance increases, less often the new architecture. Case in point is the GMA X4500(new arch) vs GMA HD(updated arch), and Ivy Bridge's 50-60% gain with Haswell's 2x gain. You could think of it as them focusing on performance when existing architecture's faults are reduced.

The focus on low power and efficiency is a good thing for big gains. Lots of low hanging fruit to nab over the next several generations.

 

[Fjodor2001]

The focus on low power and efficiency is a good thing for big gains. Lots of low hanging fruit to nab over the next several generations.

I'm not sure what you mean. Are you assuming Intel will shift focus back to performance in later CPU generations? Is there any indication of that?

 

[bunnyfubbles]

Dude if haswell has a hexcore im all over it.

IF not... i guess my gulfie wont be replaced anytime soon.

As far as I'm aware, no 6 core Haswell is planned.

Haswell-EP for you?

nope, no 6 core for s1150 with Haswell (maybe Broadwell? although I doubt it...)

although there's always IvyBridge-E, which hopefully gives us 8+ cores and maybe some "cheap" 6 core options

 

[Dark Shroud]

pretty amazing. I wonder what the voltage and OCing potential is of these new chips?

Should I hold out for Haswell?

Or should I picked up a 2700K and high-end mobo at MC for around $400, and ride it out for another two years?

If you're willing to spend $400 go Sandy Bridge-E with the Intel Core i7-3820. If you're willing you can wait until Ivy Bridge-E, both use the same LGA 2011 socket. Either of these will last you comfortably until Broadwell.

I'm considering Ivy Bridge-E myself since I already need a better motherboard.

Early reports are showing that Haswell will not use either the LGA 2011 or the LGA 1155 desktop socket.