Broadwell-E 10 Core Costs $1723

[Arachnotronic]

LOL, I'd be afraid it would take out my motherboard before the CPU.

Hah! True.

Is there anything stopping somebody from sending in a perfectly good chip and saying, "I want to use my protection plan on this working one?"

 

[YBS1]

They probably don't even test them, I'm pretty sure you don't send the chip back to Intel, but a third party.

 

[jihe]

That's very interesting, didn't know that OEMs sold systems with ES chips. You learn something new every day

They don't, unless by mistake. You should get exactly what you paid for and ES cpus are not on the menu.

 

[aigomorla]

My buddy bought a brand new 4u server, direct from HP, about year and a half ago. Guess what it had for CPU's. Engineering samples! He owns that box and can sell whatever he wants to out of it, including said ES proc's. In this country possession is 9 tenths the law. i.e. "In a property dispute (whether real or personal), in the absence of clear and compelling testimony or documentation to the contrary, the person in actual, custodial possession of the property is presumed to be the rightful owner. " A court of law likely would NOT side with intel if for some reason they wanted them back.

ok this is very bad..

did your buddy get it from HP direct?
was the server itself marked ES?
Because HP is at fault and they can get into serious legal issues.

And yes Intel can ask for them back, however HP would be totally in the liability to reimburse your buddy by replacing the CPU's or refunding you.

That's very interesting, didn't know that OEMs sold systems with ES chips. You learn something new every day

this is illegal.
ES's are the sole property of intel.
ES's should never be sold period, as they belong to intel and are on LOAN.

99.99999% of the time intel does not ask for them back, however when you receive a ES from legitimate channels, after signing NDA's and other stuff, you are asked to destroy the cpu's when testing is done and not allow it to be circulated to the public.

Violation of this agreement can lead to intel refusing your contract, and other legal ramifications. There also have been people who intel has persecuted in court for selling ES's as well as demanding the CPU back or criminal charges be enforced.

They probably don't even test them, I'm pretty sure you don't send the chip back to Intel, but a third party.

they do test every one of them.
Well from what i last knew they did.

They loved receiving dead cpu's because they would nit pick dismantle the thing in hopes to learn how it failed and work up counter measures against it. However now i dont know if it would completely apply, but when i was testing cpu's my sponsor would love each and every cpu i returned, as it would give him credit to intel and they would reimburse him sometimes at a ratio of 5:1.

 

[ZGR]

Even if the 6950X can only OC to 4.2-4.4 GHz, the 25MB L3 will help a lot when compared to a 4.7 GHz 6700k in benchmarks. I am hoping we will see some ~5.0 GHz LN2 benchmarks soon.

We also need more RAM benchmarks. What is BW-E's IMC limit for speed and voltage?

 

[pitz]

this is illegal.
ES's are the sole property of intel.
ES's should never be sold period, as they belong to intel and are on LOAN.

And you are directly privy to the agreements under which such CPU's are provided to Intel's customers? You've seen the (probably highly confidential) agreement between HP and Intel?

Unless you have, just what position are you really in to comment on this?

I understand perfectly that some ES CPU's are legitimately early-run silicon. And most people would be highly advised to avoid them. But there are ES CPU's which are identical to actual parts shipped, without revision. If Intel and an OEM agree that they can be shipped for revenue, I don't see what the problem is. If Intel really wanted the parts back, they have plenty of ways of "cracking the whip" so to speak. A $20k deposit (or fine) on each chip would do the trick, for instance!

 

[Magic Carpet]

The price is crazy, I hoped for up to 1500 dollars...What now? I have 5960X and change it for 6900K is non sense (few % of performance up, but...) And 6950X is really too much for my hobby...

Funny you say that, the amount of $ you have sent on gear presented in your signature will astound many of us. Looks like business for you, more or less

 

[Lepton87]

Even if the 6950X can only OC to 4.2-4.4 GHz, the 25MB L3 will help a lot when compared to a 4.7 GHz 6700k in benchmarks. I am hoping we will see some ~5.0 GHz LN2 benchmarks soon.

We also need more RAM benchmarks. What is BW-E's IMC limit for speed and voltage?

Not really it won't. That L3 might be large but it is also higher latency. My CPU has 15MB of cache but it is not appreciably faster in ST then a regular HW. They increase latency of L3 in each higher core count die. In HW that was 8cores, 12 core and 18 cores.

 

[daxzy]

I've seen Dell's with ES proc's too. Point is, there are other ways these proc's end up on ebay (other than theft)..

Most definitely not. I've ordered hundreds of Dell servers (mostly R7xx/R6xx series) from Dell.com. Timing wise, I've ordered from launch and about a year after launch. I have never seen an ES CPU, ever.

The one time I have seen an ES CPU was indeed on an HP server (new condition), but one that was ordered from a 3rd party (not hp.com). Based on your comments, I am assuming some 3rd party sellers are profiting off the extreme pricing differential.

 

[warzeta]

I wonder how much faster is this 6950x compare to my 2690v2 stock vs stock

 

[ZGR]

Not really it won't. That L3 might be large but it is also higher latency. My CPU has 15MB of cache but it is not appreciably faster in ST then a regular HW. They increase latency of L3 in each higher core count die. In HW that was 8cores, 12 core and 18 cores.

Are you sure? The larger cache does indeed have a latency penalty, but the bandwidth increase more than makes up for it. Online has a lot of benchmarks showing the 5960x at stock speed score higher in CPU bottlenecked games that only utilize 4 cores or less, even at significantly lower clockspeeds than a 4790k. I will try to add links when I get home, but do remember AT Bench having some of the benchmarks. Mind you, not every game has that effect.