Broadwell-E 10 Core Costs $1723

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VirtualLarry

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Intel definitely likes your money folks!

... and their R&D budget. With lower volumes, and a same or increasing R&D budget, I would assume that prices would go up.

Then again, they just reduced their cost base, by axing all of those jobs too, so shouldn't prices go down?
 

The Stilt

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Have they gone totally bat*hit crazy D:

I sure hope there is a catch, such as the prices being in NZD... :awe:
...Or not.

Where can one apply as an hobo hunter?
 

Lepton87

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My guess, and just a wild guess is.....There are quite a few people that purchased a 5960X, at least I can't ever recall seeing a greater number of people opting to go with the "Extreme Edition" or top of their consumer line ~$1000 CPU. I wonder if they didn't take the above average sales as a prompt to see if they could push that "luxury" up in price and see if people would still bite? Thing is though, this was the first time the "EE" chip made sense to me (and probably to a lot of the other purchasers), you actually got something very tangible in return for the price hike above the other chips. In the past the big chip may have been simply clocked higher or had more cache. Now the 980X did indeed have more cores than the lower priced chips but that was back when virtually nothing would take advantage of the additional cores, in fact many programs/games hadn't even started taking advantage of quad cores yet.

I'm of the opinion that most people are going to balk at this drastic price increase, we've all kind of gotten used to the top end being roughly $1000, the addition of two cores to the line with the 5960X didn't cause a large price bump and the six cores fell in price, I don't see why similar didn't happen here. Maybe if the sales of this fall sharply from what they saw with the 5960X we might see the SL-E top chip pricing return to near traditional levels. I don't plan to buy one, I would have at 5960X prices, but quite frankly I don't even have a real "need" for eight cores, it's just a "want". Now, if it turns out these are miraculous wonder chips that average 5GHz OC's, I take that back....I'll probably get one.


You're missing one very important thing about the 980X and that is tangibly higher achievable clocks and much better energy efficiency all due to the node shrink to 32nm the last one which enabled much higher clocks. Not to mention the unlocked multiplier. In my opinion all of that made it more attractive over the non-extreme counterparts than 5960X. That is of course until the release of the 970 which made the extreme series an expensive extravaganza.
 

YBS1

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You're missing one very important thing about the 980X and that is tangibly higher achievable clocks and much better energy efficiency all due to the node shrink to 32nm the last one which enabled much higher clocks. Not to mention the unlocked multiplier. In my opinion all of that made it more attractive over the non-extreme counterparts than 5960X. That is of course until the release of the 970 which made the extreme series an expensive extravaganza.

At the time though it still didn't seem like all that good a deal to most, little did we know just how long X58's legs would turn out to be though. The people that purchased a X58 along with a 970/980/990X upon release got a steal.
 

Sheep221

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... and their R&D budget. With lower volumes, and a same or increasing R&D budget, I would assume that prices would go up.

Then again, they just reduced their cost base, by axing all of those jobs too, so shouldn't prices go down?
It's not about cost of anything it's about corporate greed, Intel is cutting on everything, they been decreasing the product quality steadily for the past few years, first the slim heatsinks, than TIMs, than only aluminum heatsinks, than even worse TIMs, than thinner PCBs, than job cuts etc while prices going up every new generation. I am really not happy with the situation, although these 2011 CPUs are high end, they are still consumer CPUs mostly for home and office use, charging 1700 for 10 cores of Haswell-E copycat is ridiculous in every aspect. Seems the clouds are darkening over Intel again after 10 years or so.
 

jhu

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It's not about cost of anything it's about corporate greed, Intel is cutting on everything, they been decreasing the product quality steadily for the past few years, first the slim heatsinks, than TIMs, than only aluminum heatsinks, than even worse TIMs, than thinner PCBs, than job cuts etc while prices going up every new generation. I am really not happy with the situation, although these 2011 CPUs are high end, they are still consumer CPUs mostly for home and office use, charging 1700 for 10 cores of Haswell-E copycat is ridiculous in every aspect. Seems the clouds are darkening over Intel again after 10 years or so.

You don't like the 6950X prices? Get the Xeon version instead. I'm sure the price of those will be more to your liking.

As for 2011 being for home/office use, no one in their right mind would use these things for such purposes. Where I work, most of our computers are still Core 2. I'm one of the "lucky" ones with a Sandy Bridge, which replaced a Pentium 4 machine. At my other job, that place recently replaced a slew of Pentium 4 machines with Haswell i5 machines.
 

Sheep221

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You don't like the 6950X prices? Get the Xeon version instead. I'm sure the price of those will be more to your liking.

As for 2011 being for home/office use, no one in their right mind would use these things for such purposes. Where I work, most of our computers are still Core 2. I'm one of the "lucky" ones with a Sandy Bridge, which replaced a Pentium 4 machine. At my other job, that place recently replaced a slew of Pentium 4 machines with Haswell i5 machines.
By home and office I meant it literally being used at home or office, not using home or office typical applications. High end i7s at home are favored by some gamers and in work by software developers, video/audio/photo producers/editors all of which work in office.
Unlike Xeon, which is intended for professional use - e.g. data centers/industrial the i7 has no certifications for increased reliability and hasn't been as thoroughly tested and is intended for consumer market.
 

bystander36

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It seems to me that they didn't change their pricing scheme at all, them simply added a new product that is priced in a new, higher bracket. The 4-8 core products are the same as last generation, but now they added a 10 core product, and priced it in a new bracket.

My guess is many of you expected the i7 to be like the old i5 in price, and every HEDT chip to come down one price level to make room for the new 10c/20t chip at the same cost as the old 8c/16t chip. Unfortunately for us, that did not happen. We have all the same prices as we've always had, with 1 new HEDT product at the top.
 

Grooveriding

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I got the 5960x because they finally offered something worth having in the top end chip. This price is pretty unreasonable by my standards though. Another $750 for 2 more cores ? It even has the effect of making the $1000 8 core less appealing because it's no longer the best chip.

Obviously they will sell some at that price, if it was $5000 they would sell some, but I have my doubts it will sell as well as the 5960X.
 

nerp

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1723 USD for a chip that probably costs them 20 USD to poop out.

All about that monopoly position.

They had to pay engineers and design factories to poop out those chips. It's more than just making the chips once all the actual money is spent and real work is done.
 
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Then keep ALL of the "financial crap" out of CPUs & Overclocking. Stock prices are utterly irrelevant to how a CPU operates or how well it overclocks.

It was actually the derogatory, inflammatory political comments that were inappropriate and offensive. Maybe you should re-read the post.
 

VirtualLarry

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It was actually the derogatory, inflammatory political comments that were inappropriate and offensive. Maybe you should re-read the post.

I guess I didn't find the comment that Intel's R&D is mostly poached from US Universities, that are subsidized with gov't funding, "derogatory", nor "inflammatory". I took it as a factual statement.

Intel's CPUs aren't produced solely with Intel's R&D. Plenty of University papers are used in the design of a modern CPU.

In fact, wasn't there some University suing Intel over poached research, that they claimed that Intel had to license from them, but didn't? Was it Berkeley?

Edit: Yep, several, in fact!
www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu/display/20080211211942_University_Sues_Intel_for_Patent_Infringement.html
http://www.eetimes.com/document.asp?doc_id=1257902
http://www.cnet.com/news/wisconsin-madison-sues-intel-for-patent-infringement/#!

Intel (allegedly) STEALS RESEARCH from Universities, funded by the US Gov't.

Edit: In hindsight, any taxpayer-funded research should be available for free to any US Citizen. Including corporations. But I'm guessing that those Universities, while receiving gov't funding, are not SOLELY funded by the gov't, so their private donators, etc., have a stake in those inventions too, so they want a cut.
 
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Seriously, maybe one of you would like to document that claim? And even if it is partially true, it was worded in a very insulting and inflammatory way. I work for a major university, and believe me, we expend a huge amount of time and effort to make sure our research is funded, conducted, and published in an ethical manner.
 

Shehriazad

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Broadwell-E 10 Core for 1723$ or 11xFX8350....now I just need a mainboard that can fit that many FX8350 XDDD


In all honesty though...that price is retarded. It doesn't seem to be anywhere close in perf/dollar compared to their other parts.
 
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prtskg

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Obviously no one including me is happy with these prices. The price is logical though. There is no competition. Why would intel drop prices? Even zen won't be able to dent intel's hedt market. Intel chips have higher IPC and clocks better. 8 core zen should be competitive to 6 core intel chips in throughput but 6 core chips are already priced properly. Intel wouldn't see profit in dropping the prices of 8 core products, forget the 10 cores.
 
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Well, *one* hex core is priced reasonably. The more expensive hex core is not. All it does is fill the spot the 8 core should fill.
 

selni

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Obviously no one including me is happy with these prices. The price is logical though. There is no competition. Why would intel drop prices? Even zen won't be able to dent intel's hedt market. Intel chips have higher IPC and clocks better. 8 core zen should be competitive to 6 core intel chips in throughput but 6 core chips are already priced properly. Intel wouldn't see profit in dropping the prices of 8 core products, forget the 10 cores.

They're still competing with their other chips - sales of anything but the lowest tier HEDT chips must be non-existent for that reason alone. Short of intentionally wanting to buy the highest price desktop chip possible there's almost no reason for anyone to buy this.
 

CHADBOGA

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I've never been attracted to Intel's HEDT range and this launch just further entrenches my view on that.

Don't know whether it was intended or not, but at these prices for the HEDT range, it would make me more likely to go for a 4 core with HT, than just the 4 core without HT.
 

Magic Carpet

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And still no iGPU graphics? And let me guess, no X99 GPU enabled chipset as well?

:|

I hate to have dGPUs eating power, just because I need some basic display output.
 
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Sheep221

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And still no iGPU graphics? And let me guess, no X99 GPU enabled chipset as well?

:|

I hate to have dGPUs eating power, just because I need some basic display output.
Yea that's what I was thinking too, why they don't include ANY iGP in those CPUs when they are so expensive.
 
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It is obvious, they are designed for the server market, so they have no igp. If they did have one though, people would be complaining about the igp taking up die space.

However, I have been arguing for a long time that Intel should bring out a mainstream hex core, which I should think would have a small igp.
 
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As regards the 10 core price, I think intel believes that sales of this chip are pretty much inflexible to price. That is, those who have the money for a thousand or 1200 dollar chip (where I thought it would be priced) will just go ahead and pay 1700.00. However, I think they are mistaken here, not because the buyers dont have the money, but simply as a matter of principle, I think they are going to face huge resistance to this price.

It also devalues the 8 core, since the price did not come down, but it is no longer the top of the line chip. The only chip in the HEDT line-up that even remotely makes sense is the cheapest 6 core, and of course, for anything priced reasonably, intel could not resist gimping it with fewer PCI-E lanes. The whole pricing of this lineup is basically an upraised middle finger from Intel to anyone who wants more than a somewhat gimped six core. And I wont get started on the fact that despite the astronomical prices, the entire line is not on the latest architecture.
 
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YBS1

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As regards the 10 core price, I think intel believes that sales of this chip are pretty much inflexible to price. That is, those who have the money for a thousand or 1200 dollar chip (where I thought it would be priced) will just go ahead and pay 1700.00. However, I think they are mistaken here, not because the buyers dont have the money, but simply as a matter of principle, I think they are going to face huge resistance to this price.

It also devalues the 8 core, since the price did not come down, but it is no longer the top of the line chip. The only chip in the HEDT line-up that even remotely makes sense is the cheapest 6 core, and of course, for anything priced reasonably, intel could not resist gimping it with fewer PCI-E lanes. The whole pricing of this lineup is basically an upraised middle finger from Intel to anyone who wants more than a somewhat gimped six core. And I wont get started on the fact that despite the astronomical prices, the entire line is not on the latest architecture.

You pretty much nailed it right here. The pricing strategy actually makes me just want to go back to the mainstream line, as at least then I'll be on the latest platform and have the highest available per thread performance. As they increase core count each additional core becomes a smaller jump percentage-wise. I'm ok with that, but don't charge me disproportionately for them. I expected the 10 core to either come in at the traditional "EE" pricing or worst to be adjusted to about $1375 and the eight core to fall ever so slightly because it lost the allure of being the top chip. In the end all of this may end up just saving me money. I'm really like mini-ITX builds but have always wanted setups that don't allow for that. With Intel going nuts on HEDT pricing and nVidia basically throwing the finger to more than two way SLI seems like I'd be better served moving back to the mainstream and a single GPU.
 

jhu

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You pretty much nailed it right here. The pricing strategy actually makes me just want to go back to the mainstream line, as at least then I'll be on the latest platform and have the highest available per thread performance. As they increase core count each additional core becomes a smaller jump percentage-wise. I'm ok with that, but don't charge me disproportionately for them. I expected the 10 core to either come in at the traditional "EE" pricing or worst to be adjusted to about $1375 and the eight core to fall ever so slightly because it lost the allure of being the top chip. In the end all of this may end up just saving me money. I'm really like mini-ITX builds but have always wanted setups that don't allow for that. With Intel going nuts on HEDT pricing and nVidia basically throwing the finger to more than two way SLI seems like I'd be better served moving back to the mainstream and a single GPU.

I think ShintaiDK is right: Xeon prices dictate the 2011 processor prices. Just look at the jump in prices when more cores are added in the Xeon line. It's the same thing with these "consumer" 6+ core chips. Ultimately, you have to ask yourself if you really do need 6, 8, or 10 cores or if it's really just that you want it.
 
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