Broadwell-E discussion

[Arachnotronic]

I figured that Broadwell-E deserves its own thread.

I'll kick it off with the following question: for those of you on X99, what do you hope to see with Broadwell-E and what would it take to convince you to upgrade?

Another one: for those of you currently not using X99 (but who are interested in HEDT), are you planning to buy an X99 setup once Broadwell-E launches, or are you going to just wait for Skylake-E?

 

[dark zero]

Since Broadwell E has only 8 cores at máx... Screw Broadwell... Skylake is the future!

 

[crashtech]

I would like to see proof that Broadwell-E will even see the light of day.

 

[tenks]

Fugger over at xtremesystems is/has been playing wtih Broadwell-E for a minute.

I've posted this several times now.

"On the horizon is Broadwell-E and I can assure you now these do not share the same characteristics as the Broadwell-C parts We will have a new toy to play with as MSR199 capabilities becomes known."

I asked him what kind of MSR199 he was referring to and he said independent core OC'ing. "MSR 199 is the key to per core control, lets say you want all cores at 3GHz except core #5, you want that core at 7Ghz" Totally hypothetical numbers to illustrate what it does.

This guy doesn't mess around, I've been following him for years. I don't think he's BSin when he says Broadwell-E will be good.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?292232-The-future-of-Overclocking


I personally would much rather have Skylake-E and the newer platform that comes along with it, but 2017 is just too far away. I need something nowish, but am willing to wait for broadwell.

 

[richierich1212]

Will Broadwell-E be compatible with current X99 motherboards?

 

[PliotronX]

Will Broadwell-E be compatible with current X99 motherboards?

We'll put some cash down here, let's say 1:3 it'll be a drop in with just a BIOS update. Typical Intel fashion though, this MSR 199 feature sounds like it's going to require an entirely new board.

 

[crashtech]

I think I'll probably stick with mainstream i7 until/unless they kill it off. HEDT is cool, but it's always behind, and I don't like that at all.

 

[PhIlLy ChEeSe]

I figured that Broadwell-E deserves its own thread.

I'll kick it off with the following question: for those of you on X99, what do you hope to see with Broadwell-E and what would it take to convince you to upgrade?

Another one: for those of you currently not using X99 (but who are interested in HEDT), are you planning to buy an X99 setup once Broadwell-E launches, or are you going to just wait for Skylake-E?

I am playing the waiting game, wanted to build a X99 but I have so much hardware already(a X79 rig still)6/12 cores(3770K rig, tons of motherboards). So I been trying to prep for the new year, as X99 has been out for a while and I've seen some great stuff.
I may jump on a nice price used X99 first gen as they will be popping up all over soon as the newest platform is released.The waiting game sucks, I must say I have seen some great 5960K overclocking and was impressed with some that took there's well above 5Mhz.

 

[Grooveriding]

Going to skip it. Can't be bothered to upgrade until a new platform/CPU arrives. It's just not worth it with the paltry performance improvements Intel delivers from one chip to the next.

Skylake-E and whatever the new platform it comes out on will be my next upgrade.

 

[ClockHound]

The waiting game sucks, I must say I have seen some great 5960K overclocking and was impressed with some that took there's well above 5Mhz.

5Mhz??! Pffft!!! 4.77Mhz should be good enough for anyone.

 

[RussianSensation]

Going to skip it. Can't be bothered to upgrade until a new platform/CPU arrives. It's just not worth it with the paltry performance improvements Intel delivers from one chip to the next.

Skylake-E and whatever the new platform it comes out on will be my next upgrade.

:thumbsup: With your CPU, I'd expect nothing less. You can also just carry forward the DDR4 which would make it one of the easiest/cheapest upgrades to SKL-E. Maybe don't fall for the 3rd Titan XYZ money grab though. :ninja:

 

[YBS1]

Only if it seems to overclock particularly well, maybe not even then. Will probably jump on Skylake-E, certainly if they also increase core count again.

 

[AdamK47]

Of course I'll be getting it.

 

[steve wilson]

Of course I'll be getting it.

Wow at that system, do you mind if I ask how much that thing cost?

 

[cantholdanymore]

Nope, skylake-E will be my introduction to the HEDT platform.

 

[alcoholbob]

Only if there's EDRAM, otherwise I don't see the point for a 2-3% performance increase, especially since core count will be the same.

 

[Unoid]

The fact that broadwell-e is coming ~6 months AFTER Skylake is just pathetic., HEDT platform is now 18months behind in tech.

 

[Magic Carpet]

Only if there's EDRAM, otherwise I don't see the point for a 2-3% performance increase, especially since core count will be the same.

Lower overall power consumption, possibly higher overclocks. Should be desirable, imo.

 

[steve wilson]

The fact that broadwell-e is coming ~6 months AFTER Skylake is just pathetic., HEDT platform is now 18months behind in tech.

That is exactly what puts me off the platform...it's like an afterthought

 

[PhIlLy ChEeSe]

Lower overall power consumption, possibly higher overclocks. Should be desirable, imo.

"Possible"?
People can fluff it up all they want, it seems as though the writing is on the wall.......................

 

[njdevilsfan87]

The fact that broadwell-e is coming ~6 months AFTER Skylake is just pathetic., HEDT platform is now 18months behind in tech.

Sadly, that's the difference between Haswell and Skylake. Because of that, moving from the last HEDT platform to the latest mainstream platform isn't an upgrade - it's mostly a downgrade. The same will likely happen when comparing Skylake-E to the following mainstream platform.

 

[jpiniero]

Sadly, that's the difference between Haswell and Skylake. Because of that, moving from the last HEDT platform to the latest mainstream platform isn't an upgrade - it's mostly a downgrade. The same will likely happen when comparing Skylake-E to the following mainstream platform.

Not necessarily. The difference in the actual core between the mainstream line and the server line might start to diverge since they can continue to make performance improvements for the server line as long as it meets the 2-for-1 metric. Intel is thinking about putting Core in phones... so to do that would probably mean minimizing any performance improvements that also increase power consumption and heat.

 

[Arachnotronic]

Not necessarily. The difference in the actual core between the mainstream line and the server line might start to diverge since they can continue to make performance improvements for the server line as long as it meets the 2-for-1 metric. Intel is thinking about putting Core in phones... so to do that would probably mean minimizing any performance improvements that also increase power consumption and heat.

Yep, and the Xeon CPUs will have things like AVX-512, which might not be a big deal for gamers today but enthusiasts who want to know they have "the best" will be comforted knowing that their CPUs feature things like that.

 

[crashtech]

"Might start to diverge?" So someday HEDT will have a real advantage aside from core count? Maybe so, but such is not relevant to Broadwell or Skylake.

 

[njdevilsfan87]

"Might start to diverge?" So someday HEDT will have a real advantage aside from core count? Maybe so, but such is not relevant to Broadwell or Skylake.

It already seems to be showing an advantage for reasons unknown: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZABt8bHgDHo

It shouldn't be CPU limited at 4K, but for some reason, X99 is performing better. Is it the PCIe bandwidth? Or the quad channel memory? This is why I feel moving from X99 to Z170 would be a downgrade. Something on Z107 was limiting Haswell in a few cases, which is probably going to limit Skylake even more, since Z170 is still on PCIe 3.0 and still on ancient dual channel memory, which we know is some bottleneck as we see faster DDR4 actually benefiting Skylake. But of course, I tend to use my system as a workstation as well, so there's that part too.

Anyway, Broadwell-E... unless it has a monster cache I probably skip. And how does MSR differ from per core overclocking that's already been available for a while on all platforms? I guess it allows for greater differences?