Broadwell-E Review

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strategyfreak

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its really sad because this cpu no longer has a place anymore and is probably the worst black sheep one can get.

Why?

1. It doesnt overclock well, from looking at benchmarks.
So the whole i need moar cores + oc is sort of moot.

2. X class cpu's were mostly for gaming machines and avid overclockers, however again, overclockers are getting shot in the foot, and gamers are better off on a skylake with a higher core frequency + crazy fast ram.

3. Your gonna have your group that says again.. more cores... well, i can more core you on a full bloated enterprise platform with better features on a 2P board with faster base clock which would make the overclocking advantage on this X class very tiny if any.

So i would really like to see the silver lining to this cpu, however at that price point nothing is coming to my head.

If your a gamer, a 6700K with DDR4000 ram will reck this rig unless u intend to drop massive amounts of gpu on it which we all know SLI and Xfire pretty much SUCKS and is not worth it.

If your a production person well, a 2P processor lineup will offer you more cores and a larger ram pool.

If your both, a 2P machine will still give you a better base clock where the overclocking headroom will probably be very much moot in gaming terms, hence the 2P machines will most likely pull ahead in this run as well.

Sigh... again intel.. what the hell are you guys doing?


again... sigh... i am stupid for not getting the 5960x and waiting it off until skylake-e or x whatever they intend to, because this broadwell-e is like picking up that chick from a night club only to find out when lights go on, you completely saw her though beer goggles....

Completely agree with all you said. This processor is purely for ego purposes. Was able to snap up one of the last 5960x available at Microcenter, the one near my place falsely said they had it in stock so I had to drive one further away... Still worth it though.

From all I've seen the 5960x overclocks better than the equivalent 6900k.
 

MagickMan

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Getting a 6800k myself. Can't wait to get my hands on broadwell-e

Also I don't know why you recommend a $500 cpu when you can get equal or better performance for $350-$450

PCI-E lanes, which to me are more important than a very minor performance bump (which is countered by Haswell-E being a better overclocker).
 

zlejedi

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Are these memory scaling results legit? Holy crap.

1. SKL's memory controller is just a beast.

2. SKL is severely "under-fed" by mere 2133MHz memory.

Maybe SKL is a much bigger jump from HSW than we give it credit for. Dang.

It would be very interesting to see review which compares 6700k using 3600-4000 MHz DDR4 to 4790k using 2400-2666 DDR3
 

3DVagabond

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We can only hope that AMD is at least reasonably close with its 8-core parts in Zen so we can get some more reasonable pricing in the HEDT segment. Yeesh.

If AMD is "reasonably close" then what does it matter what Intel charges? Assuming of course that AMD doesn't follow suit. I hope they continue with pricing like they've done with Polaris.
 

2blzd

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PCI-E lanes, which to me are more important than a very minor performance bump (which is countered by Haswell-E being a better overclocker).


Do you plan on TRI-SLI or crossfire? Because you can can do normal dual cards just fine with 28 lanes.

For everything I've read about how bad multi-videocard scaling is and how newer games and dev dont even bother to include it anymore, I don't understand why having 28 lanes is such a big deal.


I also don't knock a chip for OCing to 4.4ghz when the previous chips can do 4.5-4.6ghz. Unless you're running those clocks 24/7, it's a moot point. And even then you're talking about 200-300mhz tops. Is that ACTUALLY going to make a huge difference in reading your emails? It's an embarrassment of riches and we're spoiled. To say a chip isn't good because it can 'only' OC to 4.4ghz is just silly..but this is what happens when there is no competition. People get spoiled
 
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Finally got my 6800K, just finished upgrading the system. I'll do some overclocking soon, but first a fresh install of Windows 10 is required.
 

guskline

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Finally got my 6800K, just finished upgrading the system. I'll do some overclocking soon, but first a fresh install of Windows 10 is required.

Good luck and keep us posted. I'm interested in the improvements.:thumbsup:
 

Raftina

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If your both, a 2P machine will still give you a better base clock where the overclocking headroom will probably be very much moot in gaming terms, hence the 2P machines will most likely pull ahead in this run as well.
Intriguing. Tell me more about this possibility. Perhaps more specifically, how much does this 2P system cost?
 

VirtualLarry

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Up and running. CPU at 4.1GHz, 1.25v. I think I'll leave it here for now, it's plenty fast.

Very nice! Reminds me a little bit of when I got my G4400 and was doing some BCLK OC.

Only you've got MOAR CORES!

I actually clocked mine back down to stock 3.3Ghz so I could use the iGPU. I didn't notice much loss in speed. My bottlenecks were mostly elsewhere.
 
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Very nice! Reminds me a little bit of when I got my G4400 and was doing some BCLK OC.

Only you've got MOAR CORES!

I actually clocked mine back down to stock 3.3Ghz so I could use the iGPU. I didn't notice much loss in speed. My bottlenecks were mostly elsewhere.

It would seem my second crack at X99 is much better. All memory was recognized at boot, no stability problems, and so on. Happy camper here.
 

guskline

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Let's talk a moment about EGO. We all have one. As I was approaching my 65th birthday, the 5960x had been out for awhile and my main rig had a 3930k @4.6Ghz which was running great.

Instead of running out and buying a Corvette which would clearly have my wife of 42 years having me committed, I suggested that I would really like to spend @1800 to have the ultimate upgrade for me, a 5960x/Asus Rampage Extreme V mb/DDR4 ram.

She said that's a lot of money but after some back and forth (including her saying there were some things she "really liked" at Talbots and I knew the $1800 would likely grow to $3000 or so) she said sure. HAHA so ego always comes into place in some small degree ( or large considering the money!)

I had, until the Broadwell E 6950x came out, the most powerful overall consumer cpu. Did that help my EGO, sure.

Is my EGO hurt a little by the release of the 6950x? Sure, but not my pocketbook AND I still have an 8 core/16 thread monster.

For those who buy the 6950x I say good - enjoy it. Welcome to being the new King of the Hill. And keep us posted with the OC results!

We need to get over the envy BS.
 
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RussianSensation

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You should clarify that it's the new King of the Hill for workstation and productivity usage model but only in the traditional consumer space. Dual Xeon or a Xeon with more cores smashes it for productivity, while for gaming a $289.99 6700K will beat it easily. So let's not throw around the King of the Hill phrase when a $1723 CPU is nowhere close to being the best. Let's face it, in the old days of Extreme Edition of Pentium 4 or Nehalem, it actually meant it was the fastest in all tasks in the same traditional consumer space. Besides, as I already said, it's actually possible to build a 6900K + 6700K gaming system in the same case. Such a setup would be far more beneficial for someone doing productivity/content creation work + gaming. If you look at a lot of the top YouTubers in our realm, a lot of them have 2 PCs exactly for that reason.

Even if I were in the market to spend $1800 on a CPU, the 6950X makes no sense to me, and so far no one has provided a solid coherent logical rebuttal how it actually does. I understand that everyone is free to buy what they want and no logical rebuttal is needed but then let's accept that 6950X is an emotional purchase then.

Using the logic you outlined above, Intel might as well raise the price of a 12 core SKL-X to $1999, then 14-core Cannonlake-X to $2199. Who cares right because the same people buying $1723 6950X will still buy it.
 
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therealnickdanger

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Some people won't buy a house because they don't like the paint color even though it would only take a couple gallons and a weekend to make it perfect. Don't expect people to want to, need to, or have to explain purchasing decisions. FFS it really doesn't matter.

This reminds me that scene in Star Trek V: The Final Frontier when Kirk is climbing El Capitan.

SPOCK: I regret to inform you that the record time for free-climbing El Capitan is in no danger of being broken.
KIRK: I'm not trying to break any records. I'm doing this because I enjoy it. Not to mention the most important reason for climbing a mountain.
SPOCK: And that is?
KIRK: Because it's there.
https://youtu.be/qL1WqN1XKK0
 
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Using the logic you outlined above, Intel might as well raise the price of a 12 core SKL-X to $1999, then 14-core Cannonlake-X to $2199. Who cares right because the same people buying $1723 6950X will still buy it.

BenchLife says that SKL-X will only come in up to 10 core variants.
 
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