Broadwell-E Review

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2blzd

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You should clarify that it's the new King of the Hill for workstation and productivity usage model but only in the traditional consumer space. Dual Xeon or a Xeon with more cores smashes it for productivity, while for gaming a $289.99 6700K will beat it easily. So let's not throw around the King of the Hill phrase when a $1723 CPU is nowhere close to being the best. Let's face it, in the old days of Extreme Edition of Pentium 4 or Nehalem, it actually meant it was the fastest in all tasks in the same traditional consumer space. Besides, as I already said, it's actually possible to build a 6900K + 6700K gaming system in the same case. Such a setup would be far more beneficial for someone doing productivity/content creation work + gaming. If you look at a lot of the top YouTubers in our realm, a lot of them have 2 PCs exactly for that reason.

Even if I were in the market to spend $1800 on a CPU, the 6950X makes no sense to me, and so far no one has provided a solid coherent logical rebuttal how it actually does. I understand that everyone is free to buy what they want and no logical rebuttal is needed but then let's accept that 6950X is an emotional purchase then.

Using the logic you outlined above, Intel might as well raise the price of a 12 core SKL-X to $1999, then 14-core Cannonlake-X to $2199. Who cares right because the same people buying $1723 6950X will still buy it.

Who cares how others spend their money. It's the king of the hill in terms of Intel's consumer product stack of chips. It has the most cores and is the most expensive.

No need to split hairs and tell the guy he's wrong. Everyone already knows you know everything. You don't need to keep on repeating it. Jesus, let a guy enjoy his stuff
 

therealnickdanger

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Who cares how others spend their money. It's the king of the hill in terms of Intel's consumer product stack of chips. It has the most cores and is the most expensive.

No need to split hairs and tell the guy he's wrong. Everyone already knows you know everything. You don't need to keep on repeating it. Jesus, let a guy enjoy his stuff

LOL so true
 

guskline

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RS, with all due respect my friend, I am calling the 6950x the King of the Hill for enthusiast platforms.

Wasn't the 5960x before it?
 
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PaulIntellini

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kind of funny that in the Xeon E7 space, the 2 year cadence was nearly kept:
- Xeon E7 v2 (Ivytown, 22nm) launch: late February 2014
- Xeon E7 v4 (Broadwell-EX, 14nm) launch: early June 2016
 
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Zodiark1593

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It would be very interesting to see review which compares 6700k using 3600-4000 MHz DDR4 to 4790k using 2400-2666 DDR3
Makes me wonder if Zen will also require 4000 MHz DDR4 to keep pace with Intel's chips too.

That new memory generation seemed to have opened the doors for some new secret sauce. Much more so than with DDR3.
 

2blzd

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kind of funny that in the Xeon E7 space, the 2 year cadence was nearly kept:
- Xeon E7 v2 (Ivytown, 22nm) launch: late February 2014
- Xeon E7 v4 (Broadwell-EX, 14nm) launch: early June 2016


there was a Haswell-EX in between. May 2015. E7 v3
 

DooKey

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It appears not too many people are interested in Broadwell-E. Am I right?

I was till Intel deflated my excitement by charging an arm and a leg for the 10c. I'm waiting for the SKL-E now and I'll pay an arm and a leg for that. I'm setting 3K aside for the chip, motherboard, RAM, new case, and a new PSU.
 

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It appears not too many people are interested in Broadwell-E. Am I right?

For all of those already on the X99 bandwagon, has nothing to gain by upgrading the CPU unless they have $1699 and absolutely needs 10 cores.
 

guskline

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It appears not too many people are interested in Broadwell-E. Am I right?

Not sure I agree just because of the "furor" over the price of the 6950x. For someone like me who already has a 5960x my decision was to focus on video cards ( GTX 1080 ships to me this week).

If you are just getting into the X99 platform, the Broadwell E chips probably are the way to go. You want to extend the life of your platform.

I think the "hype" over Broadwell E might be muted somewhat by the gpu furor of Pascal vs Polaris vs Big Pascal vs Vega vs God knows what

Suffice it to say, you pay quite a premium for a 6950x Broadwell E, but I did for the Haswell E 5960x.
 

Aristotelian

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Gus, for people like you with a 5960x at 4.4 GHz I really wouldn't see the need to upgrade. But the most vocal critics of Broadwell-E seem to be Haswell-E or Skylake owners, both of whom should really not be the target market for Broadwell-E. That's why I'm excited about going from a 2600k to a 6950x but if I already had a 5960x I'd probably spend the ~EUR 1700 on a few Euro Championship matches and a couple of Michelin starred dinners in France. Know what I mean?
 

WhoBeDaPlaya

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What are you going to use the 6 cores 12 threads for?
Well now, don't be jelly of my encoding rigs then (or pretty much any of the setups in the DC forum)

Rig 1 : eVGA SR2 w/2x X5675 @ 4.2GHz (12c / 24t)
Rig 2 : Intel S2600CP2J w/2x E5-2670 (16c / 32t)
 
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guskline

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Well now, don't be jelly of my encoding rigs then (or pretty much any of the setups in the DC forum)

Rig 1 : eVGA SR2 w/2x X5675 @ 4.2GHz (12c / 24t)
Rig 2 : Intel S2600CP2J w/2x E5-2670 (16c / 32t)

Now that truly IS MOAR cores!:thumbsup:
 

CHADBOGA

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It would seem my second crack at X99 is much better. All memory was recognized at boot, no stability problems, and so on. Happy camper here.

I must have missed what happened to your previous x99 system.

At one point I thought you had a 8 core Haswell-E overclocked to 4.5Ghz and I dimly recall you having a motherboard issue, but that you got that sorted or bought a new motherboard that you were happy with?

Is the above not correct?
 
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I must have missed what happened to your previous x99 system.

At one point I thought you had a 8 core Haswell-E overclocked to 4.5Ghz and I dimly recall you having a motherboard issue, but that you got that sorted or bought a new motherboard that you were happy with?

Is the above not correct?

Had the 8-core Haswell-E, stepped down to a Skylake 6700K for a while, and now on 6800K and a new X99 board (ASUS X99A-II) and 4x16GB DDR4-2400 DIMMs.

The issue with the Haswell-E actually turned out to be the fact that I was populating all 8 DIMM slots with DDR4-2400 RAM and trying to run it at that frequency. The memory controller is apparently only rated for DDR4-1866 on all 8 DIMMs. Issues went away when I ran the RAM at DDR4-2133, but I felt like going to Skylake at the time anyway.
 

CHADBOGA

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Had the 8-core Haswell-E, stepped down to a Skylake 6700K for a while, and now on 6800K and a new X99 board (ASUS X99A-II) and 4x16GB DDR4-2400 DIMMs.

The issue with the Haswell-E actually turned out to be the fact that I was populating all 8 DIMM slots with DDR4-2400 RAM and trying to run it at that frequency. The memory controller is apparently only rated for DDR4-1866 on all 8 DIMMs. Issues went away when I ran the RAM at DDR4-2133, but I felt like going to Skylake at the time anyway.

Ahhhhh the old drop down in speed when all the DIMM slots are filled trick. D:

So was it a hard decision after having an 8 core HEDT system to go to a 6 core HEDT system and have you noticed any difference in performance with what you do with your computer?
 
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Ahhhhh the old drop down in speed when all the DIMM slots are filled trick. D:

Yeah, learned my lesson on that the hard way.

So was it a hard decision after having an 8 core HEDT system to go to a 6 core HEDT system and have you noticed any difference in performance with what you do with your computer?

Nope, everything runs crazy fast on this machine and stability is top notch. I also like that I can use a modest AIO CLC like the Corsair H60 rather than a dual radiator monster and still be able to run all cores loaded at 4.2GHz without issues.

I also run a single GPU now, so 28 lanes is perfect. 16 for the GPU, 8 lanes between my two Intel SSD 750s, and then my sound card gets a final 4 lanes
 
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