Broadwell to Skylake, will be similar to the transition from Prescott to Conroe

[Hulk]

Sure ok.

4GHz Haswell vs 3.5GHz Skylake = Skylake 5-10% faster

Better?

And that my friends is exactly where this ship will hit land.

 

[MongGrel]

thats cuz people were overclocking them like MAD!
:thumbsup:



stock to stock, it wasnt that bad... now if u factor in the NOS.. err overclocking...

And the Q6600 just about decimated everything that it came in touch with...
it was literally GAME OVERS.... :wub:

The hype came from the mobile p3's they converted to desktop.

People knew conroe was a P3 variant upgraded for desktop use, hence they already had a ballpark idea on how it would perform.

Still have a Q6600 my sister in law has been using for years That I used for years that I need to look at sitting on my fireplace.

Really good chips in their day, had it running at 4Ghz on air when i used it long ago.

 

[JoJoman88]

Still miss the boiler functionality on Pentium 4 Prescott:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sG3wceb05Sg

What are we going to cook pasta on now?

Thus my nickname for the P4 gen. "Net burst into flames". I went AMD the whole P4 gen. The only P4's worth anything were the Northwood P4's.

Didn't the Intel 486's top out at 50Mhz or 66DX/2 overdrive? It was other CPU makers that went past that if i remember right. Going from that 66DX/2 overdrive to a Pentium 120 was an amazing difference.

 

[crashtech]

Didn't the Intel 486's top out at 50Mhz or 66DX/2 overdrive? It was other CPU makers that went past that if i remember right. Going from that 66DX/2 overdrive to a Pentium 120 was an amazing difference.

100MHz:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_DX4

 

[cboath]

There was the 133DX4 as well.

 

[2is]

If Skylake provides that much of a performance boost, then I'll upgrade even though I probably won't really need to.

 

[nismotigerwvu]

There was the 133DX4 as well.

I'm pretty sure that was an AMD chip. Intel topped out with the 100DX4

 

[crashtech]

There was the 133DX4 as well.

Yeah, you might be thinking of this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Am5x86

I had one, it seemed pretty fast at the time...

 

[AtenRa]

Obsiously we mean for gamers, not people who'd be best off with tablets....

If Mantle is any indication, with upcoming DX-12 games you will not have to upgrade your CPU for a longggggggggg time.

 

[Idontcare]

I'm pretty sure that was an AMD chip. Intel topped out with the 100DX4

Yep, Intel topped out at 100MHz because they moved on to selling Pentiums. AMD wanted to do the same, to move on from selling 486 chips for cheap, with their K5 chip.

Only problem was the K5 wouldn't clock high enough to deliver higher performance than the higher clock 486 chips, so AMD stuck with strategy of clocking their 486 ever higher until such time that they could get the K6 launched.

AMD even went so far as to brand the higher clocked 486 chips as "5x86", and eventually topped out with a 150MHz SKU (a college buddy of mine bought one).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Am5x86

 

[wasabiman123]

If Mantle is any indication, with upcoming DX-12 games you will not have to upgrade your CPU for a longggggggggg time.

That's what I'm counting on, and I hope more and more gets offloaded to the GPU :thumbsup:

 

[ShintaiDK]

If Mantle is any indication, with upcoming DX-12 games you will not have to upgrade your CPU for a longggggggggg time.

Was that an aprils fool joke?

Game logic, AI etc just dissapeared over night? There is a lot more to games than graphics API overhead.

 

[AtenRa]

Was that an aprils fool joke?

Game logic, AI etc just dissapeared over night? There is a lot more to games than graphics API overhead.

Are you expecting a Quad Core (Core i5/7) SandyBridge or even a Core i7 Nehalem(OC) to be inadequate for DX-12 games ???

 

[Shivansps]

Once the 3d API bottleneck is removed? YES, its inevitable that you ill run intro another.

You must also realise that the current MT games are already using all cores, for other stuff, its not like you have 3 cores at idle while gaming either.

 

[CHADBOGA]

Are you expecting a Quad Core (Core i5/7) SandyBridge or even a Core i7 Nehalem(OC) to be inadequate for DX-12 games ???

Consolitis is what will limit the need for a powerful CPU, not DX12.

 

[cytg111]

If Mantle is any indication, with upcoming DX-12 games you will not have to upgrade your CPU for a longggggggggg time.

Agreed, as long as we are essentially playing console ports, with dx12 (and mantle) we just got another notch on the "master race" belt.. in essense, gamewise, dx12 is the biggest cpu upgrade we have had in years.

 

[2is]

I don't think DX12 will extend the life of old CPU's as much as some people, and I hope it doesn't. I think developers will take advantage of the greatly reduced overhead to build more complex games and more immersive open worlds to explore.

 

[AtenRa]

I don't think DX12 will extend the life of old CPU's as much as some people, and I hope it doesn't. I think developers will take advantage of the greatly reduced overhead to build more complex games and more immersive open worlds to explore.

This will happen, but not in the beginning. It will take some years after the first DX-12 games arrive in 2016. So even in 2016-17 a Core i5/7 SB at 4-4.5GHz will be more than enough for those early DX-12 games even with the new 14nm dGPUs of that time.

 

[2is]

I fully expect an OC'd i5 SB to be just fine through 2016

 

[Fjodor2001]

I fully expect an OC'd i5 SB to be just fine through 2016

So a 6 year CPU life span for enthusiasts, what upgrade cycle does that leave the average Joe with these days... :hmm:

 

[bullzz]

average joes dont usually upgrade CPUs. and they dont spend $500 on dPGUs. so they will benefit moving to newer CPUs

 

[mohit9206]

I fully expect an OC'd i5 SB to be just fine through 2016

I'll go ahead and say they would be perfectly ok for gaming even till 2020.
Look at a CPU released in 2005 let's say AMD 64x2 4800+. This particular CPU although a decade old can still play almost every game just fine with a gpu like hd 7770 at 1080p obviously with lowered settings.
So what's to say that an i5-2500k OCd will not be able to handle games of 2020 at medium settings with a mid range gpu of 2020? If at all it will fare much better than what the 4800+ can today.

 

[Dave2150]

The system platform becomes the limitation before the actual CPU speed.

M.2/PCI-E SSD's offer massive speed increases, and not many enthusiasts are keen on adding ugly addon-cards to try and make up for their old platform.

 

[Fjodor2001]

average joes dont usually upgrade CPUs. and they dont spend $500 on dPGUs. so they will benefit moving to newer CPUs

That wasn't what I was thinking. I was thinking the average Joe upgrades to a new computer when more CPU performance is needed, not a new CPU only as a separate part.

The question is what upgrade cycle Joe is looking at these days on desktops. I'm thinking 10+ years. And to be honest, I think it's more driven by new I/O ports (USB 3.1 Type C), SSDs, Windows versions, and similar. And yes, the average Joe does not even upgrade the OS, they get a new PC...

 

[mohit9206]

That wasn't what I was thinking. I was thinking the average Joe upgrades to a new computer when more CPU performance is needed, not a new CPU only as a separate part.

The question is what upgrade cycle Joe is looking at these days on desktops. I'm thinking 10+ years. And to be honest, I think it's more driven by new I/O ports (USB 3.1 Type C), SSDs, Windows versions, and similar. And yes, the average Joe does not even upgrade the OS, they get a new PC...

I am what you would consider an average joe and yes you are right in that i only upgrade my computer if it comes to a point where i no longer get satisfactory performance from my current setup.So i am going to keep my $500 Gaming PC from 2012 for as long as it can possibly continue to give acceptable performance in new games and then when it can't, i will do a full upgrade. I am looking at around 2016/17 for an upgrade time. Yes one can make a $500 PC last 5-6 years if they want to.