BRZ STi reveal?

[Vic Vega]

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[XavierMace]

This, especially with what the Mustang
Yes, yes, I know - styling, interior, etc. But 420 HP for ~$31k street price vs. 200 HP for nearly $30k street price.

If all you are looking at is HP, then the BRZ isn't the car for you. That's not what they are trying to do with it. The IS300 I traded in was technically quicker, but the BRZ is far more fun.

In addition my BRZ Limited was $28k. A comparably featured Mustang GT comes out to $40k. Not what I would call chump change.

 

[Topweasel]

If all you are looking at is HP, then the BRZ isn't the car for you. That's not what they are trying to do with it. The IS300 I traded in was technically quicker, but the BRZ is far more fun.

In addition my BRZ Limited was $28k. A comparably featured Mustang GT comes out to $40k. Not what I would call chump change.

Comparable to the BRZ? What one or two features are you pinpointing that isn't available on the Mustang V6 Premium, that then makes the car cost instead of about 1k more, 12k more?

 

[SSSnail]

I'm very surprised that none of the tuning houses from Japan turned out a turbo kit for this already.

 

[GoodRevrnd]

Comparable to the BRZ? What one or two features are you pinpointing that isn't available on the Mustang V6 Premium, that then makes the car cost instead of about 1k more, 12k more?

With that 100 extra hp comes an extra 750lbs though. I'm gonna go out on a limb and say the BRZ has a tighter suspension to boot. So the Mustang may have more oomph, but performance isn't really comparable.

 

[XavierMace]

Comparable to the BRZ? What one or two features are you pinpointing that isn't available on the Mustang V6 Premium, that then makes the car cost instead of about 1k more, 12k more?

He didn't say Mustang V6. He said Mustang GT.

In regards to the features themselves.... Heated Leather/Alcantara, Touchscreen HD radio, Dual Climate Control.

I'm very surprised that none of the tuning houses from Japan turned out a turbo kit for this already.

Greddy has.

 

[Arkaign]

With that 100 extra hp comes an extra 750lbs though. I'm gonna go out on a limb and say the BRZ has a tighter suspension to boot. So the Mustang may have more oomph, but performance isn't really comparable.

Sort of. There was a head to head recently on a technical track, and the Mustang V6 6MT beat the BRZ by over a second around the course, fat weight and all (well, the Mustang is fairly light for what it is, but still). Lap times were in the low 1 minute range, so a second is a pretty big gap.

FRS/BRZ could win in parking lot AutoX stuff, but on race courses they don't have the guts to fend off the V6. And of course in a drag they look like they're in reverse or tied to a boat anchor.

 

[RedArmy]

6 pot fronts and 4 pot rears? Wat. This car doesn't come close to needing those. If you do a lot of autocross, I could see 4 pots being helpful. I've read so many reviews when trying to decide if I should get a BBK for mine and the general consensus is changing out the rotors/fluid/brakepads/brake lines is sufficient for 99% of the people out there.

You can get a Wilwood BBK kit for the front for 1k, same as the ones for the older WRX's. If this does turn out to be true, that's just stupid. You'll be paying more for the bling factor than anything else...but that's how these things go I guess.

 

[darkswordsman17]

That car really needed to be a 305hp AWD STi with two doors.

Yep, if they push the power up a bit more and do some sort of launch control feature, they could market it as a sort of budget GT-R. With the price increase that's happened to the GT-R they could get away with a pretty good markup and it'd still be quite a bargain vehicle, and it would give them a unique vehicle while differentiating itself more from the Toyota.

They could even do a special 22B version with ~400hp and/or lighter weight and do a huge markup.

I really don't understand the departure from AWD. Or why Toyota is selling it as a Scion. I realize it keeps it cheap to have it RWD, but man, that could be my DD if it was AWD!

I think they really missed out on leveraging two different models. As it is now, they seem to be competing with each other, and its just that there's a dearth of cheap good handling RWD coupes (that aren't Miatas you know so guys can buy them and not be called gay) that is enabling their success. We definitely need some competition here.

A 2750lb 250hp RWD coupe for $25K would be the recipe for success. Really wish Nissan and Mazda would get back in that market. Mazda seems like they can't figure out what they want to make (a Miata coupe, RX-8 replacement, RX-7 replacement) and Nissan seems more intent on making the fatty Z coupes.

I'm still surprised that Ford seems to be leveraging the Ecoboost 4 cylinder of the next Mustang as a step above the V6. I'd have expected it to maybe be more of a cheap track focused coupe to butt in on the FR-S/BRZ market 250-300hp turbo 4 with the new Mustang platform sounds like it would enable them to have done that. They could even price it similarly to the V6 one, where the V6 is more of the smooth touring type of vehicle.

 

[manimal]

I'm very surprised that none of the tuning houses from Japan turned out a turbo kit for this already.

http://www.frsport.com/T51Z-Tuner-T...p_65581.html?gclid=CNDOuOmr67gCFa87MgodxxsAgg

bunch already have and the knock off companies are already copying the manifold. Should have ebay options by summer.


A friend is already in negotiations with his wife to boost his. She is NOT having it lol



ps if anyone wanted 4wd then they would buy the wrx. No need for them to build cars that compete with their own successful lineup.

 

[Topweasel]

He didn't say Mustang V6. He said Mustang GT.

In regards to the features themselves.... Heated Leather/Alcantara, Touchscreen HD radio, Dual Climate Control.



Greddy has.

Which is available on the V6 premium (accept dual climate control it's not ever available, but the mustang is up for a new car next year, so a lot of that has more to do with when it was originally designed, rather than holding back features).

With that 100 extra hp comes an extra 750lbs though. I'm gonna go out on a limb and say the BRZ has a tighter suspension to boot. So the Mustang may have more oomph, but performance isn't really comparable.

But is it ever that directly comparable. I meant it is a whole 100HP and 130 LB-Ft more than the BRZ. It's going to be a whole lot closer than the 40k car that quoted to prove the BRZ's cost effectiveness. Which I guess started with the GT. But really if it's the amenities the BRZ Premium gets you well the V6 Premium gets you that and >BRZ performance. Or if you want a cheap barn burner, at 31k get a base model GT and go spartan (which is what the FRS/BRZ is supposed to be, the Premium BRZ kind of destroys the cars original intentions). So get better than BRZ performance with similar options at 28-29k, or spend 3 grand more step back in features and destroy the BRZ.

I like the BRZ and FRS. Would love to see it retail with a little more potentant engine. But really even though its fatter, right now a Mustang V6 should be on the list of RWD coupes someone is looking at if shopping for a BRZ.

 

[Ferzerp]

Sort of. There was a head to head recently on a technical track, and the Mustang V6 6MT beat the BRZ by over a second around the course, fat weight and all (well, the Mustang is fairly light for what it is, but still). Lap times were in the low 1 minute range, so a second is a pretty big gap.

FRS/BRZ could win in parking lot AutoX stuff, but on race courses they don't have the guts to fend off the V6. And of course in a drag they look like they're in reverse or tied to a boat anchor.

focus st beats brz on a track too...

 

[AdamK47]

Needs more LSX

 

[darkswordsman17]

Needs more LSX

Actually that'd be pretty awesome if some company took that into account, like if Mazda designed the next Miata so that it just happened to have just the right amount of room to get a Chevy small block transplant.

 

[Ferzerp]

The LS engines want to grow up to be a modular 5.8L

 

[XavierMace]

Needs more LSX

It's already been done.

 

[KentState]

The LS engines want to grow up to be a modular 5.8L

You mean take up more room and become heavy?

 

[SSSnail]

http://www.frsport.com/T51Z-Tuner-T...p_65581.html?gclid=CNDOuOmr67gCFa87MgodxxsAgg

bunch already have and the knock off companies are already copying the manifold. Should have ebay options by summer.


A friend is already in negotiations with his wife to boost his. She is NOT having it lol



ps if anyone wanted 4wd then they would buy the wrx. No need for them to build cars that compete with their own successful lineup.

Then why are people bitching about not enough powah!? If you want ”moar powah!”, you go get moar powah.

 

[Midwayman]

Then why are people bitching about not enough powah!? If you want ”moar powah!”, you go get moar powah.

'cause aftermarket power != factory power. Neither in reliability or resale.

 

[Throckmorton]

Actually that'd be pretty awesome if some company took that into account, like if Mazda designed the next Miata so that it just happened to have just the right amount of room to get a Chevy small block transplant.

There is some sportscar that happens to have a transmission and mounts that line up with an LS or some other much more powerful engine... can't remember what it was.

 

[ussfletcher]

I was pretty sad when I tried to test drive one and I couldn't comfortably fit. My knees hit the steering wheel causing me to have to contort to get to the clutch. I'm 6'2" and this was with the seat all the way back and the wheel up.