BTW, There Is Such A Thing As A FX-8310

[MiddleOfTheRoad]

Well, another AMD chip is shipping mostly for OEM's. But, this may be a cheaper way to go for those 95 watt motherboard guys (TigerDirect is already selling them for $125).

http://www.cpu-world.com/news_2014/2014100201_AMD_releases_FX-8310_socket_AM3_CPU.html

This does murky the waters a bit -- I really don't know why a 8310 and a 8320E are both needed.

 

[janeuner]

Because of that turbo freq, the 8310 looks better than both 8320 and 8320E.

I don't even.

 

[Cerb]

This does murky the waters a bit -- I really don't know why a 8310 and a 8320E are both needed.

Because they need to be implemented in designs that already have an existing set of parts, and a supply chain, meaning the OEM's TDP. Gateway (even before being Acer) and HP have been getting CPU SKUs you can't buy off the shelf for many years, usually at odd barely-slower speeds. It's a lot like the sporadically available S and T suffix CPUs from Intel.

 

[crashtech]

Kinda OT, but this reminds me that I have seen quite a few AM3 boards from HP with Intel style HSF mounting and hole spacing. Don't know how widespread it is, but I found it curious. Has anyone else noticed this?

 

[nenforcer]

Thanks for the update, I had heard about the FX-8300 but had read that they were mainly intended for Asia/Pacific OEM machines.

I've built a couple of AMD Phenom II X4 840T machines for family members which were originally HP OEM parts.

These chips can fit in a wider array of motherboards with the 95W TDP but still have a higher or identical boost speed than the retail FX-8320 and FX-8350 all at a lower TDP.

 

[Abwx]

There s also a 3.3-4.2 95W FX8300 that is/was sold on some markets...

http://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/Bulldozer/AMD-FX-Series FX-8300.html

 

[positivedoppler]

Doesn't that make the 8310 faster and lower power than all the other FX...and cheaper?
What would be the point of the other FX?

Holy $#$%@$
If I get one of these on the cheap and pair it with a 290 going for $250...lol I can spank the X-box and PS4 performance lol.


So if I grab the FX 8310 at tiger for $125

R290 from newegg at $230
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127774

$355 Arrrghhh I hate you AMD. I don't want to make a new build until I move....pain in the @ss to drag a computer cross country. But this is really freakin tempting. Maybe this is part of the AMD going out of business fire sale

 

[Abwx]

E versions should still be better overall, particularly above 4.0.

FWIW at stock settings the 8370E TDP is 65W in heavy Mthreaded softs and barely 80W when pushed to its limits with Prime 95, seems that they took about 20% margin to make sure that it will fit all 95W MBs.

With user settings and also at 3.3 the numbers above are reduced to 55W and 68W respectively.

 

[Madpacket]

I just picked up a 95W FX8300 for $99.00 CAD + tax & shipping from Tigerdirect. I haven't done any extensive testing yet but so far it runs really cool. It came in a clear plastic case (OEM) with some crappy thermaltake cooler that'll probably never get used.

The BIOS reports stock speeds of 3.3Ghz with a Turbo boost of 4.2 Ghz.

Abwx, do you have any references or data to show the differences between the 95W 8370E series and the cheaper 95W 8300/10 CPU's? Are they on a new stepping or something?

Just curious.

 

[Cerb]

The 8300 was basically made for OEMs. It was announced, a couple months went by, then it was showing up in Acer PCs left and right, then many months later, became available to us. It's a FX-8320, more or less, slightly downclocked/downvolted to meet 95W. As long as you don't want to use it for RTS or sim games, that isn't bad at all for 100 CAD, even if you never OC it.

 

[Madpacket]

The 8300 was basically made for OEMs. It was announced, a couple months went by, then it was showing up in Acer PCs left and right, then many months later, became available to us. It's a FX-8320, more or less, slightly downclocked/downvolted to meet 95W. As long as you don't want to use it for RTS or sim games, that isn't bad at all for 100 CAD, even if you never OC it.

Makes sense. So are the new E series chips a new stepping?

 

[e-ricesucks]

yay for cheap.
21 more to pm

 

[Cerb]

Makes sense. So are the new E series chips a new stepping?

That, or just better bins, picked out for desktop parts due to more being available, now. AMD hasn't been clear on that, TMK, and I haven't read any particular details.

 

[Abwx]

T It's a FX-8320, more or less, slightly downclocked/downvolted to meet 95W.

Since it has a 4.2 turbo instead of 4.0 and that stability is the number one criterion it s rather a 8350 whose base frequency has been downgraded.

The BIOS reports stock speeds of 3.3Ghz with a Turbo boost of 4.2 Ghz.

Abwx, do you have any references or data to show the differences between the 95W 8370E series and the cheaper 95W 8300/10 CPU's? Are they on a new stepping or something?

Just curious.

Hardware.fr compared the 8370E to the 8350 sample they reviewed on october 2012 and it looks like the first batches were already good at the lower frequencies, it is above 4.0 that the difference is significant.

On user settings there s only 4W difference at 3.5 between the 8350 and a 8370E and 7.5W at 4.0, at 4.5 it increase to 38W.

That said it is highly likely that this is the whole line that saw its caracteristics improved and that current 8350s are statistically better than the ones fabbed in 2012, from the numbers above it s clear that they have more room to push the turbo frequencies without running out of select chips and without the need of a new stepping.

For info HFR overclocking tests results are on the bottom of this page, power drain is measured with Prime 95, the right column number, ATX 12V(W), is to be factored by 0.9 to have the CPU actual TDP (too bad they jump directly from 4.0 to 4.5), power drain with the usual CB 11.5 or Fritzbench is about 20% lower than theses numbers according to the reviewer.

http://www.hardware.fr/focus/99/amd-fx-8370e-fx-8-coeurs-95-watts-test.html

 

[Madpacket]

Awesome thanks.

 

[soccerballtux]

just got the FX-8310 from tigerdirect on this thanks to their $25 off. What a steal!

 

[SlowSpyder]

just got the FX-8310 from tigerdirect on this thanks to their $25 off. What a steal!

They show as $99.99... you got one for $75?

 

[soccerballtux]

They show as $99.99... you got one for $75?

$85 after shipping/tax. The promo is dead now

 

[inf64]

$85 after shipping/tax. The promo is dead now

Wow, great buy there, congrats! For around 85$ one can get a dual core g3258(usually 70$ or so) or 760K. You got an unlocked 4 module FX, sick value.

 

[SlowSpyder]

Wow, great buy there, congrats! For around 85$ one can get a dual core g3258(usually 70$ or so) or 760K. You got an unlocked 4 module FX, sick value.

Yea, even with the factory cooler I wouldn't be surprised to see it reach FX8350 clocks. Good deal, especially so if you overclock.

 

[soccerballtux]

Yea, even with the factory cooler I wouldn't be surprised to see it reach FX8350 clocks. Good deal, especially so if you overclock.

thanks guys I'm excited! You can still get the deal if you call TD and get lucky...

Thermalright Ultra120 from socket 939 and AM2 days should be able to handle more than the VRMs, might have to buy these for the M5A97 R2.0, it's a 4+2 phase.

it's frustrating, the plan was a cheap-sideways with the FX-6300 and Mobo for $137 and RAM $120, then the 8310 came up, which will make me want to overclock to 5Ghz, which will make me get an 8+2 VRM mobo...

 

[AtenRa]

Yea, even with the factory cooler I wouldn't be surprised to see it reach FX8350 clocks. Good deal, especially so if you overclock.

I want to see the official manual for that overclock


[/sarcasm]

nice budget cpu

 

[AtenRa]

thanks guys!

Thermalright Ultra120 from socket 939 and AM2 days should be able to handle more than the VRMs, might have to buy these for the M5A97 R2.0, it's a 4+2 phase.

it's frustrating, the plan was a cheap-sideways with the FX-6300 and Mobo for $137 and RAM $120, then the 8310 came up, which will make me want to overclock to 5Ghz, which will make me get an 8+2 VRM mobo...

I have OC my 8350 to 4.8GHz using the ASUS M5A97 R2.0, you only need to put a fan on top of the VRM heat-sink and problem solved

 

[soccerballtux]

I have OC my 8350 to 4.8GHz using the ASUS M5A97 R2.0, you only need to put a fan on top of the VRM heat-sink and problem solved

hm, would 5Ghz be possible?

I'm not crazy about fan of fans smaller than 120mm....so noisy

I'm going to investigate further but will the VRM temps show up in monitoring software? What's the threshold, 125C? I have pretty good case cooling as it is..

 

[SlowSpyder]

I want to see the official manual for that overclock


[/sarcasm]

nice budget cpu

I see what you did there. ()

hm, would 5Ghz be possible?

I'm not crazy about fan of fans smaller than 120mm....so noisy

I'm going to investigate further but will the VRM temps show up in monitoring software? What's the threshold, 125C? I have pretty good case cooling as it is..

I'd be really interested in seeing what one of these FX 8310's can do. I assume they can hit the high clocks that other FX's get, but probably a little bit more of a lottery than a sure thing compared to the higher binned FX's. Just my guess, but I'd be really interested to see how it goes for you. I overclocked my Thuban to 4.03GHz on a 4+1 motherboard. Above that I started to get odd stability issues, my hunch was it was the motherboard and not the CPU, but I can't say for sure. But, I ran it like that for years without issue. I'm not advocating low end boards for overclocking, but I think they can handle a reasonable load better than often given credit for in tech forums.

Just thought I'd add, I gamed for about eight hours yesterday with my FX @ 5.2GHz (though my motherboard is a 12+2 power phase board). It would be absolutely awesome if an FX 8310 could get above mid 4GHz without too much trouble. I have a spare MSI 990FXA-GD80 (8+2) motherboard sitting around that needs a CPU.