BTX cases out already? Wha-?

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KDOG

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Hmmm, interesting comment from someone supposedly **Not speaking for Intel Corp**
 

Macro2

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Wingnut petz,
LOL
Great post.

PS..."64 bits is not needed on the desktop" - Paul Otellameanotherone-ini
 

McCarthy

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Originally posted by: Wingznut
Whenever a change is coming, there are always a bunch of whiners. These are the same people who feared losing ISA slots, the AT standard, serial ports, etc...

I swear, if it were up to some of you, progress would grind to a screaching halt.

When I lost my ISA slots I had to buy a new modem, three Winmodems later I finally shelled out $100 to buy a 3Com "gaming modem" just to get the same connection stability I had with my old ISA modem. (Yes, I know, I can still get a board with ISA today, please don't anyone bother to point that out to me. That just goes to prove ISA still works and can still coexist fine on a board anyway) Like BTX I had to buy hardware over to fill an unchanged roll.

The saddest part is that bit of progress was, and remains, primarily cosmetic.

The AT standard, funny that, BTX will put the CPU right back where it was with my 486's and Pentiums in a tower case. At the time we were being told the power supply blowing air on the CPU in the ATX design will save us from having to have CPU fans... that worked out well. But tell me, since we're not sticking the CPU and ram behind the expansion slots, but rather having the CPU halfway up the board how's that going to work in a tower case? Going to need a pretty big curved duct coming from the front/bottom or are we going to throw out drive bays to keep it in line? Looks like expansion cards will get less air than in ATX. For small desktop layouts I see the sense, for any size tower I don't.

Seriel ports I never much did like.

If we're going to change let's make sure to get the most gain. Take S-ATA for example. Hot swapping is nice, though I've been doing that wire firewire for years. The single thin wire hookup is great for ease of installation and reducing impediments to airflow, except of course that the rat's nest of power lines that have been with us since the XT are still there. When S-ATA was supposed to carry data and power on the same cable I was all for it, when that was abandoned so went a good portion of it's upside. BTX again ignores that. Heck if BTX called for a universal plug for power/reset/etc I'd like it for that alone. Is BTX better than ATX? That's not my question. Is it the best solution - is it enough better to be worth it?

You may think those of us who question the utility of each change are "whiners". That's your right. I wouldn't go so far as to say watchdogs, but something more akin to it. Technology for technology's sake isn't progress. Nor is change for change's sake. When change benefits the buyer it is, and I need to see proof of that benefit, not namecalling, to convince me there is sufficient value in this change.
 

Wingznut

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Originally posted by: Macro2
Wingnut petz,
LOL
Great post.

PS..."64 bits is not needed on the desktop" - Paul Otellameanotherone-ini
Great post. What this has to do with BTX is beyond me. But then again, I'll never understand why you dislike me either.

Grow up. :roll:
 

RaNDoMMAI

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Yuck that case is ugly IMO

I always liked the way the Antec 3700BQE looked, simple with a great bezel

~RaNDOM
 

Macro2

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RE:"Great post. What this has to do with BTX is beyond me. But then again, I'll never understand why you dislike me either.
Grow up."


First of all, I don't "dislike" you.

Secondly, it's just like "Intel" to say change is necessary when it suits their agenda and say change is NOT necessary when it suits their agenda.
Lately in the case of x-86-64 it's been another case of flip flop. Now Prescott had 64 bit capability just waiting to be turned on. Before no one needed x-86-64 on the desktop.
If you needed 64 bits it had to be iTanium. Yet another attempt at a monopoly.



Or Tejas...MHz and a deep pipeline, all that 10Ghz talk (TM-Otellini)...thats what everyone needed...Opps now that doesn't work and Intel says we will need lower Mhz Pentium Ms AND forget about Mhz, that doesn't mean anything.
I guess we all need Rambus too.
Face it, with Intel you have to wonder whether change is warranted or is just
an attempt to monopolize.

As for BTX. now that Tejas is canned why does anyone need it? Simply it was a compromise to better cool Intels future P4 heaters. And they wanted us all to adopt it.

As for growing up. Little hope of that.
Too late I'm afraid.

Mac
 
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