BTX - How Quiet?

GizmoFreak

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My current computer's noise level is driving me crazy. So I was planning on picking up an Antec P150 case and a Spinpoint hard drive. But it seems new Dell PC's are just really cheap these days and can be had for not much more than the cost of the case and hard drive. So my question is this: just how quiet are Dell's new BTX PC's? I am specifically looking at the Dimension E510. I'm after quiet operation, not performance. Am I better off with the new case and hard drive or Dell's BTX machine? Thanks!
 

DrZDO

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...Probably a crap hard drive in the Dell anyway. *shrug* If I wanted a cheap, quiet box, I'd get a steel case, "quiet" HDD, two 120mm fans with very low speed settings: one in back, one on the HDD, plus a quiet CPU fan, and some sonic insulation for the case interior. (As long as I wasn't using hot, overclocked components)
 

GizmoFreak

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I guess I'm just really curious how quiet Dell's BTX machines are. The hard drive I might replace anyway. So it's really the Dell BTX case/PSU vs Antec P150 for me at this point.
 

GnomeCop

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I got the exact same model dimension PC for my mom recently. It is extremely quiet, I think there are 2-maybe 3 low noise fans in the whole system total.

The 2.8ghz pentium D cooling is insanely huge, with a large low noise fan. The power supply has a fan of course, and possibly one to cool the hds/lower part of the case (not sure)

I could barely hear it at all when I had it sitting on top of my desk, probably silent if it was on the ground.
 

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Personally, every Dell system I haave ever used or been around was quiet. I have never heard a loud system from Dell. Or Compaq for that matter. Maybe just lucky experiences on my part. Also part of it is that many of the Dells I am around are workplace computers. The Dell I am using now is absolutely silent. As far as I can tell there is one fan in the case and it's a 60mm. It's a 3.40GHz P4 so I assume there must be a CPU fan as well I guess. It's an Optiplex, and it is dead silent.

\Dan
 

RossMAN

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I have a brand new Dimension E510 in the box, I just haven't had time to open the box and set it up.

When I do I'll report my findings here.
 

GizmoFreak

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Originally posted by: RossMAN
I have a brand new Dimension E510 in the box, I just haven't had time to open the box and set it up.

When I do I'll report my findings here.

Please do!
 

RossMAN

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Originally posted by: GizmoFreak
Originally posted by: RossMAN
I have a brand new Dimension E510 in the box, I just haven't had time to open the box and set it up.

When I do I'll report my findings here.

Please do!

It will be very unscientific but if it helps I am anal and paranoid
 

GizmoFreak

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I don't need any measurements or anything like that. Your qualitative assessment would be very helpful. Thanks!
 

acityDweller

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ive worked on 4 e5150 which dell later rebadged e510's.

the btx pc's are really stone quiet. the only hint of them being on is the dimmly lit power button.

To upgrade to a dual core proc, higher FSB, usb 2.0 ports everywhere, you generally cant go wrong with this setup. for gaming, you'd probably consider a better video card (then again, who would use a bundled one for gaming)

From what i can tell, theres one large fan in the front... I havent had a need to open any of these cases up. probably the quietest pc's ive ever used.
 

dawza

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Not RossMAN, but I recently set up an E510 for a friend. In consensus with several of the other agreements above, as well as my own experience, the Dell was whisper quiet. I opened the case up and found one large (120mm?) intake fan spinning slowly, supplying air to a large aluminum heatsink. The only other fan in the system was the PSU fan, which was likewise quiet. The chipset was cooled with a low-profile aluminum heatsink, and the X1300 video card was also passively cooled.

On the other hand, the computer did run HOT. No scientific temp readings, but I estimate the CPU heatsink got upwards of 55-60C on moderate load (web surfing) as assessed by touch. The air blowing out of the PSU (rated for 350W) was also notably warm, much more so than from my own rig, even after hours of full load.

The case was well-ventilated, if not a bit cramped; even with the apparently high temps, though, I have not experienced or heard of Dell users with heat-related issues. We have an E510 in lab that runs for most of the day and has for over six months, and it is chugging along quiet well. All of the other several year-old Dells are also functioning flawlessly. Overall, the build quality seems decent- I could never understand why so many people rag on Dells, as every Dell I have ever worked with seemed to be pretty well put-together and very quiet; they obviously cannot compare to most custom builds, but then again, one would be very hard pressed to beat their price when on sale.

The HDD in this build was a Seagate and made no noticeable idle noise; it was the loudest component in the case by far when seeking, but then again every hard-mounted HDD produces a good amount of seek noise.
 

GizmoFreak

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dawza, thanks so much for your impressions. Very helpful! You say that it's not as quiet as custom built machines. I'm basically debating getting an Antec P150 case or a Dell BTX machine. Do you think the P150 would trump the Dell in noise reduction?
 

Operandi

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Originally posted by: GizmoFreak
dawza, thanks so much for your impressions. Very helpful! You say that it's not as quiet as custom built machines. I'm basically debating getting an Antec P150 case or a Dell BTX machine. Do you think the P150 would trump the Dell in noise reduction?

It's not hard to build a very quiet / near silent (that word gets tossed around too much..) system when you don't have huge performance requirements. The only time I'd ever recommend a Dell is if you are unable to build yourself, the Pentium4 is a poor choice due to its thermal issues which is all Dell offers.

And yes the P150 would be a great starting point, but almost any case can work with the proper planning.
 

dawza

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The Dell was actually pretty much silent with the exception of the aforementioned HDD seek noise. I am not sure how quiet it would remain when the intake fan ramps up as temperatures rise.

Operandi is absolutely correct in stating that building a quiet system is quite easy when one is not using high-performance hardware. The Dell I set up had one high-end piece in it, which was the processor- and, due to the simple (cheap) aluminum heatsink and low-spinning front fan, it ran extremely hot even at moderate loading. Granted the P4 Prescotts are rated for a higher max temp than the A64s, I would still feel uncomfortable using the Dell under full CPU load for hours on end during the summer, sans AC. I am not sure how well a high-end video card would fare in the Dell case, considering how lacking it is in general airflow (as I stated, it is well-ventillated in terms of having adequate air entry and escape routes, but there is only so much one can do with just two fans in the entire system- which might become a problem when adding in another significant heat-producer such as a modern GPU).

Bottom line, IMO- the Dell will suffice if you do not regularly place a lot of stress on the system and/or do not run it for long periods of time with high ambient temperatures. You stated in your original post that you were after "quiet operation, not performance." If this is the case, and you can get a good deal on it, a Dell would suit your needs.

If you have the time and know-how, though, a socket 754 Sempron in any halfway decent case with low-flow fans and a soft-mounted HDD will give you all of the quiet of the Dell with significantly less heat generated.

To give you an example:

Socket 754 mobo w/integrated video: $65
Sempron 2800+: $65
Case: $40
PSU: $40
HDD: $40 (80GB)
Ram: $35 (512mb)
DVD Burner: $40
Windows XP Home OEM: $70

Total: ~$400

In comparison, the E510 with nearly identical specs that my friend purchased cost a total of ~$550 shipped with a 19" analog LCD monitor. You can buy a 19" LCD w/DVI for <$250 ; a 17" DVI LCD can be gotten for <$200.

So, you would probably spend $50-150 more on a hand-rolled rig if you include the price of the monitor. However, even though the specs would be similar to the Dell's, your custom system would most likely have a superior PSU and a non-proprietary case that could be used for future builds. The Dell on the other hand would come with a better processor and a dedicated GPU (ATI X1300), but if you do not need the high performance, a Sempron will serve you just fine, and be much cooler (and therefore require much less airflow, and hence, produce less noise); integrated video is fine for 2D and old-school 3D games, and an add-in GPU can be had for <$40, which might be useful if you want DVI, as no socket 754 mobos support DVI-out to my knowledge.

You can see there is no clear answer- but you definitely can build a system just as quiet as the Dells for a similar price. Whether it is worth your time, and whether you will really benefit from it is up to you.
 

hans007

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i am not sure if you've ever had one of th ebtx dells. but they are very very quiet.


it is very hard to even beat the small business store's daily hot deal, but i believe last weekend


they had for $649

a pentium D 820
1 gb ram
160 gb hard drive
dvd/cdrw
gma950 graphics

AND a 20" dell 2007fpw for $649


normally its more like the same config with a dvd writer and a 19" analog lcd. but seriously it is very hard to beat them on price.

 

ND40oz

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I've used and setup a ton of the newer dell btx boxes. I currently have a GX620 SFF sitting on the all-in-one stand that comes with the 1706FP. It sits two feet on top from my right ear (on top of my desk) and I can't tell it's on.
 

gorka

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yep...its pretty darned hard to compete against DELL prices when they throw in 19" LCDs for free!

this is one of the reasons our small office chose DELL over HP. (we don't need tech support so that was a moot point)
 

ND40oz

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Originally posted by: GizmoFreak
Any word on hard drive noise?

They use seagates for the most part, atleast the ones i've had. So they'll be as loud as any Seagate. Just pulled 80 Gb 7200.7 out of a GX280, the GX620 I just got in has a 160 Gb 7200.7.

Some GX520s we got a few months ago had 80 Gb Maxtor Diamond 10s though.
 
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