Budget gaming build - Intel G4560 or AMD 2200G / 2400G?

[Topweasel]

I don't think you get my point at all.

I wasn't arguing Console vs PC.

I was arguing in favor of:

Your current PC + Console. This gives you PC and Console games.

instead of:

Your current PC + a new low end APU PC. This gives you only PC games.

Sorry I got the point, but I meant to and may have meant to say extending your options on PC would be better because of the range of customization. For example I don't want to play PUBG on a controller, so I go to my desktop and play there with a keyboard and mouse. I want to play Tomb Raider that cost me 5 bucks on my 4k TV while playing on the couch, I could go to my PC in the living room. Then there is the option of playing natively vs. streaming with Steam.

There isn't a whole lot of games on a console maybe one or two per console a year, worth being disapointed in not being able to play. So why invest in a console you might rarely use just for that one or two games? Versus getting a second machine and sharing your immense library?

 

[krumme]

But when you compare the cost of a full new build with DDR4 and a new Windows license, versus just adding a new GPU to the SB system or to replace the 4850, that SB system comes out way in front.


A PC like that is absolutely fine. I was on a Phenom II until pretty recently. If you're in a place where $100 is a big deal, you can live with an older PC just fine.

If your current games run fine on a low end dual core sb sure you just swap the gpu. Normally people do that one or two times if its possible.
But look at both the gpu and cpu perf in a 2200g and compare it to 4 year old stuff. Its actually potent stuff.
99usd/euro and add a cheap 320 and 8gb and you have a fine rig that play all old stuff fine in 1080 or even 1440 and also all new stuff in 720.
It can play it all. That freedom is liberating.
When you are cpu limited you are stuck and gaming at 30 fps is a mess. Heck i remember i replaced a core 2 65nm cpu with a penryn 2.5GHz 45nm big cache cpu in a laptop just to play mp tf2 reasonably. Lacking cpu grunt is hell.

 

[Kenmitch]

So this is aimed at people who had their PC stolen/explode?

My comment was just like it sounds. A person can have a steam library and no PC currently.

Stolen
Cat pissed in it and it fried
Sold for future upgrade
Only logs onto a friend's PC to play
....Lot's of scenarios in the end.

 

[PeterScott]

My comment was just like it sounds. A person can have a steam library and no PC currently.

Stolen
Cat pissed in it and it fried
Sold for future upgrade
Only logs onto a friend's PC to play
....Lot's of scenarios in the end.

Lots of imaginary scenarios that still don't add to more than an irrelevant number of people.

 

[Shivansps]

Not so sure. Depends on budget. Still some dual core sb out there running hd3000 or some hd 4850 or even core2 stuff with some antique gpu. A 2200 is miles a head in all dinensions compared to that or even some more recent stuff like first gen bd apu stuff.

Actually thats the escenario the GT1030 is aimed at. Even a 2200G is a considerable investment compared to just the GT1030.

 

[krumme]

Actually thats the escenario the GT1030 is aimed at. Even a 2200G is a considerable investment compared to just the GT1030.

Mehh. You still not run the new or pergaps even half new games then. Sure if you can do by upgrading the gpu by all means thats what is done but if you need cpu grunt a 2200g gives you that AND next to 1030 performance at the same time. Its like old i5 class cpu plus 1030 perf.

 

[Shivansps]

Mehh. You still not run the new or pergaps even half new games then. Sure if you can do by upgrading the gpu by all means thats what is done but if you need cpu grunt a 2200g gives you that AND next to 1030 performance at the same time. Its like old i5 class cpu plus 1030 perf.

yes and no, it mostly depends on what hardware do you have, a 2C/4T SB is still going to be able to run AAA games. So does 4C Phenoms 2 and BDs.

And with 2C/2T you are going to be mostly fine for esports.

At any rate i dont think there is much people with such older and slows cpus that demands anything more than "if it runs its fine".

I do agree that a 2200G would be better for those people but you have to consider the price of CPU+MB+RAM vs just the GT1030. This is why those low end gpus still have a market.

 

[krumme]

yes and no, it mostly depends on what hardware do you have, a 2C/4T SB is still going to be able to run AAA games. So does 4C Phenoms 2 and BDs.

And with 2C/2T you are going to be mostly fine for esports.

At any rate i dont think there is much people with such older and slows cpus that demands anything more than "if it runs its fine".

I do agree that a 2200G would be better for those people but you have to consider the price of CPU+MB+RAM vs just the GT1030. This is why those low end gpus still have a market.

Sure depends on games. But imo lets not under estimate the value of a strong cpu as it gives you freedom. Now sb 2c/4t is a pretty strong cpu but for bf3 its already a stretch for mp 64 as i remember and surely bf4 is a mess if you want the 60 fps. Now bf3 is a 5.5 year old game ! You get bf4 for cheap now and a 2200g will play it at low 1080 60fps next to 99% of the time at mp64.
Overwatch is another good example. In intense firefight you want a 4c here too. Could be played at 1080 low too on a 2200g. And again the 4c is what makes it a good experience.
Those mp games is pretty taxing. Again if you want those 60fps. But thats the value of the pc imo.

 

[frozentundra123456]

yes and no, it mostly depends on what hardware do you have, a 2C/4T SB is still going to be able to run AAA games. So does 4C Phenoms 2 and BDs.

And with 2C/2T you are going to be mostly fine for esports.

At any rate i dont think there is much people with such older and slows cpus that demands anything more than "if it runs its fine".

I do agree that a 2200G would be better for those people but you have to consider the price of CPU+MB+RAM vs just the GT1030. This is why those low end gpus still have a market.

Lots of undocumented claims (not by you) about how great 4/4 cpus are for BF 4 by the same poster who used to claim even a 7700k was not good enough. I actually would like to some data comparing a reasonably fast 2/4 cpu with a 1050 (such as upgrading an old system) vs a 2200 would fare. My personal feeling is that it would be more than competitive, especially if you upped the resolution to 1080, which to me is the minimum resolution for pc gaming.

 

[Shivansps]

Lots of undocumented claims (not by you) about how great 4/4 cpus are for BF 4 by the same poster who used to claim even a 7700k was not good enough. I actually would like to some data comparing a reasonably fast 2/4 cpu with a 1050 (such as upgrading an old system) vs a 2200 would fare. My personal feeling is that it would be more than competitive, especially if you upped the resolution to 1080, which to me is the minimum resolution for pc gaming.

This in general is a good example:

This is one of the slower combinations you may have, pairing a GTX1050 with a slow Kaveri APU, you can see the fps drops on the video, the perf is way faster than anything a 2200G or 2400G can archive, but the fps drops are there. Altrought most people running such old and slow cpus are going to be just fine with that, especially considering it will be better without recording.

Look i have a old Phenom 2 X4 840 with 8GB DDR2 laying around i might do some tests with my RX580 this week, seems to be a fun thing to try, R7 1700 vs Phenom 2 X4 840 lol.

 

[budgetgamerguy]

Why would you waste money on 1050 trash when you could pay 70% more and get 100% more performance with a 1060?

Well I'll explain why I personally got the GTX 1050 rather than 1060 - from Amazon, the 1050 was $135 and the 1060 3GB was $350. The 1060 would have taken up almost my entire upgrade budget of $400, I ended up paying $235 for an i5 4460 system with 8GB RAM and a 1050. Sure the 1060 is a lot faster but I'm happy to run at medium/high details instead of ultra to save over $200.

FWIW I'm very happy with how my new system is running games, sure you won't get 60fps at 1080P ultra but dial down the details a bit and you still get a very good gaming experience.

 

[epsilon84]

If your current games run fine on a low end dual core sb sure you just swap the gpu. Normally people do that one or two times if its possible.
But look at both the gpu and cpu perf in a 2200g and compare it to 4 year old stuff. Its actually potent stuff.
99usd/euro and add a cheap 320 and 8gb and you have a fine rig that play all old stuff fine in 1080 or even 1440 and also all new stuff in 720.
It can play it all. That freedom is liberating.
When you are cpu limited you are stuck and gaming at 30 fps is a mess. Heck i remember i replaced a core 2 65nm cpu with a penryn 2.5GHz 45nm big cache cpu in a laptop just to play mp tf2 reasonably. Lacking cpu grunt is hell.

Wouldn't pair a 2200G with an A320 mobo just to save $20, you end up with a locked CPU *and* iGPU: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3l-eYXBq4Tc

The locked iGPU is the worst part because going from 1.1GHz to 1.5 - 1.6GHz on the iGPU makes a big difference to the gameplay experience. Doesn't make sense at all to penny pinch on the motherboard when B350s aren't that expensive anyway.

To be frank, a 2C/4T CPU plus a decent dGPU would still run rings around a 2200G for actual gaming. You can most definitely still run new games at 1080P at acceptable framerates with say, an old i3 + GTX 1050 or RX560, but that won't be possible on a 2200G or even 2400G.