Budget Gaming System

imported_nido

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I've decided to build a new budget gaming rig and I would like some suggestions. Here is what I have decided on for certain:

Intel P4 2.4C
Abit IS7
ATI Radeon 9600XT

Here's the other parts I would like some comments on.

Antec SX635BII Case/350W PSU
OCZ PC4400 1GB Kit (EL Series)
Western Digital 120GB SATA Hard Drive
Lite-On 16X DVD (Black)
Lite-On 8x8 DVD+/-RW (Black)
Floppy (Black)
Zalman 7000AlCu Heatsink


I may do RAID in the future...dunno but only one hard drive for now. I'm planning on overclocking the 2.4 a decent amount. I think this RAM should be good for that - allow me to run 1:1 at 3GHz and room for a bit more. Is that a good choice?

I already have a good monitor so I don't need that. I'm trying to keep everything under $1200 and with this I'm at about $1150. Any suggestions, or did I pick some good hardware? I know the case isn't all flashy but I just want something simple and well designed.
 

Sunner

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If you're looking for a budget system, I'd definately look to AMD.
A good nForce2 mobo with SoundStorm and a Barton 2500+ should do very well, and will be very inexpensive.
 

imported_nido

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Thanks for the comment, but I have already decided on the motherboard and CPU. I might change video cards if there is something better but for my budget I think it is what fits best.
 

viivo

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Dump the 9600xt and get a 9800pro - it's less than $50 more and twice as fast.
 

Sunner

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Originally posted by: viivo
Dump the 9600xt and get a 9800pro - it's less than $50 more and twice as fast.

Well, since mobo and CPU are decided, I'll have to agree with this comment, the 9800's are insanely cheap these days.

Well, relatively speaking
 

Shlong

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If it's supposed to be a budget gaming rig, you could save $60 or more by going the barton 2500 way & even more so on a cheap $50-$60 nforce2 motherboard. It'll probably perform similar to that of the P4 2.4C if not better, and easily overclockable to 2.2 ghz (3200). With the money you saved you can get more ram or upgrade from 9600XT to 9800Pro.
 

imported_nido

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Well just because I want a budget system doesn't mean I want to go buy some cheap thing. This system will be for games, but I will need to use it for my school work and all too so I want to get a solid, stable and worry free system. Maybe I won't be able to get to 3GHz stable, but I bet 2.8 will be easily reachable with no problems.

Also, do you really think I would need more RAM than 1GB?

I think I will get that 9800 Pro...I didn't even think to check prices, I was looking at the midrange newer cards.
 

crazycarl

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you can get a 2.8 pentium for like 5 bucks mroe at newegg
that puts u in a64 land buddy but it seems like u are opposed to anything besides what u have decided.......
 

Tostada

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None of those parts really make any sense. It just doesn't fit together.

I would go with AMD, but you can make a fine Intel system with or without overclocking. Still...

Why on earth would you ever use an 848P board when the 865PE version is $10 more?
Why use a WD drive when there are faster, quieter, more reliable drives for the same price?
Why use PC4400?
Why use a Zalman heatsink when you have a loud PSU, hard drive and video card?
Why get an 8X DVD burner when you can get a dual-layer or a 12X one now for about the same price?
 

crazycarl

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OMG why does everyone have to hate on him for choosing the 848!!!! SOME POEPLE JUST LIKE IT BETTER OK??????????
 

noteworthy

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Why can't everyone get along. In my logic it doesn't make sense to buy that intel system and not the mobile barton.

The reason I see the choice for intel is:

"Well just because I want a budget system doesn't mean I want to go buy some cheap thing. This system will be for games, but I will need to use it for my school work and all too so I want to get a solid, stable and worry free system. Maybe I won't be able to get to 3GHz stable, but I bet 2.8 will be easily reachable with no problems."

AMD is very reliable and worry free. It has also been shown that AMD performs better than Intel in games.



But anyway is it your choice. I guess you are an intel fanboy and I'm an amd fanboy. I think it is a good idea to get that 9800 pro. 512 ram would be enough but a gig would be better... but at that point you are leaving 'mid ranged' behind.


What do I want? Harsher punishment for AOL users... and.... World Peace
 

Sunner

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Originally posted by: crazycarl
OMG why does everyone have to hate on him for choosing the 848!!!! SOME POEPLE JUST LIKE IT BETTER OK??????????

I don't see anybody hating him for it, in fact that only one who even mentioned it was Tostada, and his post didn't exactly seem hateful.
So, why don't you take a valium or two?

Anyway, is my memory weak, or isn't the "vanilla" IS7 i865 based?
 

crazycarl

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LOL dont take everything so seriously!!!! it was something from another thread here, and i was just making a joke on it
not a very funny one i take it
 

Gurck

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Originally posted by: Sunner
If you're looking for a budget system, I'd definately look to AMD.
A good nForce2 mobo with SoundStorm and a Barton 2500+ should do very well, and will be very inexpensive.
Originally posted by: noteworthy
AMD is very reliable and worry free. It has also been shown that AMD performs better than Intel in games.
Agreed, not to sound like a fanboy or anything, but it's simply the truth. Just my advice, not calling you names or saying Intel is bad, and if you go with the Northwood anyway best of luck & enjoy your rig and all that.

Originally posted by: viivo
Dump the 9600xt and get a 9800pro - it's less than $50 more and twice as fast.

If on a tight budget, a ti4x00 might be a better choice. They're in the $50-$75 range used, and roughly equal the performance of a 9600 pro, but of course without the hardware dx9 support.

You could get by with 512mb ram. A gb will be better, especially for newer games, but more than that is completely unnecessary for what the majority of people, you included, want out of their PCs. Decide based on budget.
 

Insane3D

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Originally posted by: Sunner
Originally posted by: crazycarl
OMG why does everyone have to hate on him for choosing the 848!!!! SOME POEPLE JUST LIKE IT BETTER OK??????????

I don't see anybody hating him for it, in fact that only one who even mentioned it was Tostada, and his post didn't exactly seem hateful.
So, why don't you take a valium or two?

Anyway, is my memory weak, or isn't the "vanilla" IS7 i865 based?

Yeah...it's a i865PE. I've actually got one with a 2.4C in it doing 3.3Ghz, 275mhz FSB. It's actually a nice board, and just as fast as the IC7...generally.
 

Mo0o

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Going for budget?

skip the floppy
skip the dvd
go w/ 9800pro or 9600pro
80 gig SATA unless yo'ure sure you really really need teh 160
Ram? I have pc3200 OCZ EL plat editiion at 2325 and its pretty solid, maybe that

If you have saved enough money i would go w/ 2.8C. With strong mobo support people hve gotten those to go 3.5
 

CasTroLTraN

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this is my budget gaming/school work rig: bought some of the parts at frys with very nice rebates!

barton 2500+ @2.24 Ghz.......$59
A7N8X deluxe.......................$80
Pioneer DVD-Rom 120S.........$27
Pioneer DVDRW 107D............$92
WesternDigital 160GB ATA......$64.99 Frys
AlienXTurbo Case..................$75
Aspire 500W PSU...................$45
1Gb pc3200Corsair Value select..$149.99 Frys
Radeon 9800 pro...................$179.99 Frys
Zalman 7000AlCu Heatsink.....$34.99 Frys

Total : $807

Edit: System is rock stable and kicks ass at every game that's currently out while maintaining the stableness and reliableness that I require for my school works. LOL I sounded like I am a salesman!
 

imported_nido

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Originally posted by: Tostada
None of those parts really make any sense. It just doesn't fit together.

I would go with AMD, but you can make a fine Intel system with or without overclocking. Still...

Why on earth would you ever use an 848P board when the 865PE version is $10 more?
Why use a WD drive when there are faster, quieter, more reliable drives for the same price?
Why use PC4400?
Why use a Zalman heatsink when you have a loud PSU, hard drive and video card?
Why get an 8X DVD burner when you can get a dual-layer or a 12X one now for about the same price?

If you want to go with AMD, that's fine. I don't.

The IS7 is 865, not 848.

What's wrong with the WD? I hope you wouldn't recommend a Maxtor instead. The only other drive I would get is a Seagate.

PC4400 is 550MHz....since I want to overclock I want to have headroom and I want to be able to run the memory 1:1.

Why use a Zalman? The HD isn't loud. The zalman will cool really good for the overclock. I don't plan on using their fanmate thing.

Dual layer isn't mature enough of a technology yet. I would rather wait for an 8x Dual Layer instead of the 2.4x.
 

imported_nido

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Originally posted by: noteworthy
Why can't everyone get along. In my logic it doesn't make sense to buy that intel system and not the mobile barton.

The reason I see the choice for intel is:

"Well just because I want a budget system doesn't mean I want to go buy some cheap thing. This system will be for games, but I will need to use it for my school work and all too so I want to get a solid, stable and worry free system. Maybe I won't be able to get to 3GHz stable, but I bet 2.8 will be easily reachable with no problems."

AMD is very reliable and worry free. It has also been shown that AMD performs better than Intel in games.



But anyway is it your choice. I guess you are an intel fanboy and I'm an amd fanboy. I think it is a good idea to get that 9800 pro. 512 ram would be enough but a gig would be better... but at that point you are leaving 'mid ranged' behind.


What do I want? Harsher punishment for AOL users... and.... World Peace




You may think that of AMD. I just prefer a really good solid chipset. Let me know when there is one available for the Athlon XP. Until then I'm getting a P4 with an Intel chipset.
 

3chordcharlie

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you can state that amd is unstable as often as you like and it won't make it true. a lot of people just don't understand why you set a goal and immediately rule out the best possible answer. You should get excellent results with a 2.4b or 2.4c, though even at that speed you've already paid a large premium for intel, so you might as well buy the 2.8c and have a faster system.

The pc4400 ram you have chosen is overkill, but hey, that's just my feeling on the matter; why not buy slower ram with tighter timings, to fit the range you will be working at. I highly doubt you are going to hit 550+ memory speed wihtout enough cooling to more than blow your budget, but maybe I'm wrong.

You're choosing your processor based on emotion - just remember that it doesn't love you back, and you should be fine.
 

ninno12345

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Here's what I think you should Do

Get an AMD system. Reason, cheaper. Overclocks very well. The Mobile 2600+ XP is what you want. It may be a 2GHZ CPU, BUT, when you overclock this sucker it'll go to 2.7 with good air, higher with watercooling!!! Then, Go with a ABIT NF7-S motherboard for stability, or if you want to get the very most out of your system, go with the DFI INFINITY motherboard. Does EXTREMELY Well overclocking and gives you a ton of overclocking features. It allows higher voltage to memory so thats a bonus. Next, A good POWER SUPPLY UNIT, ANTEC or ANY other that you favor, AT LEAST a 430. TRY A 550w cause it'll last you till your next system if you want to change. SOUND CARD, you don't need, intergrated sound does quite well on abit boards, not so sure on DFI. GRAPHICS CARD...this a good one. MY favorite, the Saphire 9800 pro 128MB and MAKE SURE ITS 256bit!!!!!!!!!!!! MAKE SURE, then you can overclock that to 9800XT SPEEDS. BAM, saved some money there already. Plus, its still an awesome GPU, and its getting slightly cheaper these days, only 30-50$ more than the 9600XT, depending on where you get them. 9800pro, a definate buy. The case, I REPEAT, IF YOU DO NOT CARE HOW IT LOOKS ON THE OUTSIDE, and only care for good air flow, DO NOT WASTE, I REPEAT, DO NOT WASTE YOUR MONEY ON A CASE THAT LOOKS FANCY with all those multi color fans, glass/plastic window, fancy color/design, or temperature readout. I SWEAR, people when they start spending they just don't know when to stop. Then again, I mean its really up to you, its entirely YOUR decesion, YOUR preferance. The only think that is critical and key for a case is, AIRFLOW. THAT AND THAT ALONE WILL HELP YOUR SYSTEM, NOT HOW IT LOOKS!!!!!!!!!! I myself was about to buy something fancy and said, F*** this, let me look around and find something that offers the same amount of airflow, but for cheaper, and without a POWER SUPPLY that they offer wich is usually crappy anyway. With lots of hard work, I found one that suited my needs. Simple design, good number of fans, and without a power supply(bonus)! Cause really dude, there's always gonna be some dude at those lan party's that outstages you all, but what will make you really feel good is the HUNDRED DOLLARS you saved compared to his and you have about the same cooling he does. WOW, common sense. I mean, all that hard earned money making minimum wage or whatever you make...better put it to good use, don't throw it away. I mean, If you wanted have an artist paint on your case, or spray it yourself if you don't like it. I'm tellin you man, my rig may look simple but, draw some funny or cool stuff and people will remember, "hey its that guy/girl with that artsy cool case". hehe Now, one thing that I myself have problems is memory. Get good LOW LATENCY PC3200 memory if you want to save some $$$. MEMORY IS really, really important. So, since I don't know much about it in that department, your gonna have to ask around or you might have an idea of waht you want already. I was thinking of PC3700 Gold, from OCZ or MUSKIN Lv 2's, if ya could find em >; ). Yeah, thats all i pretty much have to say. When your looking for something, go second generation and OVERCLOCK THE SH** out of what you got, if you feel comfortable with it. If not, go for the Higher End Stuff and be safe, its gonna cost you a bit more but if you feel that way, go for it. YOU can get your moneys worth with overclocking the right stuff and it'll last you quite a while. I hope this helped even the slightest....

CRAP CRAP, almost forgot a few things, HAH! :lmao

your hard drive look good, if you don't need all that space, go with the 80gig WD's. Here, another think with performance.....if it was up to me, in this case which it is, go with the 7200RPM, 10000 is just too much now a days, it'll do you well, if you were into FILM, or a GRAPHICS STUDENT, or in the MOVIE INDUstry...Yea, what you got lined up is fine. I'm still running my IBM "DEATHSTAR" 20GIG 7200RPM drive since DECEMBER OF 1999, thats rite, 1999!!! plenty fast compared to my bro's 5200 same version.
SEE, SEE, 20gigs, plenty enough for me, PLENTY, but then again, thats just me. You do what you want.

I was thinking about going with the NU technology DVD burner, it may suck but once you upgrade the firmware, its the best burner you can get for your moneys worth. Writing 8x speeds on 4x media. BOO-YAH!!! Its in Anand's reviews. Or go with a NEC 2500A I think. That was my first choice.

GREAT, look around NEWEGG.com for the case, they got some simple ones there. Look, Maxell or Maxwell or something like that, good simple one. YEAH YEAH, case.

I know that AMD systems don't take advantage of the DUEL memory like the intel ones do but....you'd get more stuff out of an AMD SYS over an INTEL, you wouldn't go over your budget with an AMD SYS, I CAN GUARANTEE YOU THAT!!! 100%!!!!! I almost got the same system, I know for a FACT, that it won't go over $1200. I do my shopping at NEWEGG.

Take care.:thumbsup:
 

Lonyo

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Originally posted by: nido
Originally posted by: noteworthy
Why can't everyone get along. In my logic it doesn't make sense to buy that intel system and not the mobile barton.

The reason I see the choice for intel is:

"Well just because I want a budget system doesn't mean I want to go buy some cheap thing. This system will be for games, but I will need to use it for my school work and all too so I want to get a solid, stable and worry free system. Maybe I won't be able to get to 3GHz stable, but I bet 2.8 will be easily reachable with no problems."

AMD is very reliable and worry free. It has also been shown that AMD performs better than Intel in games.



But anyway is it your choice. I guess you are an intel fanboy and I'm an amd fanboy. I think it is a good idea to get that 9800 pro. 512 ram would be enough but a gig would be better... but at that point you are leaving 'mid ranged' behind.


What do I want? Harsher punishment for AOL users... and.... World Peace




You may think that of AMD. I just prefer a really good solid chipset. Let me know when there is one available for the Athlon XP. Until then I'm getting a P4 with an Intel chipset.

nForce 2.
Nuff said, now get AMD.
 
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