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BonzaiDuck

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As a shareholder of both Intel and NVIDIA, I wish there were plenty more people just like you.

Rock on

He could still experience "indifference curve" trade-offs: He could want to spend less on computer so he could buy that $4,000 1975 Chateau Lafitte Rothschild.

Ultimately, there is only so much stuff to buy. After the yacht you build to race against the ORACLE CEO, you might only have the option of buying a Congressman or two so you could be a Master of the Universe.

Therefore -- yes -- spend the money. Computers aren't going to **** up my Universe!
 

SlowSpyder

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A fool and his money are soon parted.


I was told more or less the same thing when I decided on an FX 9370/AM3+ system. Sometimes you have to move out of the bang for the buck mindset. Sometimes the hobbyist wants what the hobbyist wants.

Good luck with the system OP, let us know how it turns out.
 

Deathhorse

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I thought this was one of those threads to get the post count up. But found some interesting incite from different people

get yourself a bunch of ram some monster video cards and a quad core of the lastest gen great place to start for somone that just wants to spend some money
 

ctk1981

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I was told more or less the same thing when I decided on an FX 9370/AM3+ system. Sometimes you have to move out of the bang for the buck mindset. Sometimes the hobbyist wants what the hobbyist wants.

Good luck with the system OP, let us know how it turns out.

See nothing wrong with a AM3+ system honestly. But the 9370 makes no sense to me at all, unless you do not want or overclock or do not know how to overclock (no insult intended.). The 8320 was selling for 130-140 recently this month and is very capable of hitting the same speed as the 9370, with potentially less vcore. But like you said, whatever you want is what you want none of my business what you do.

Back on topic.....

Maybe the OP is genuinely just looking for a hobby and having a good time spending loads of cash. I guess I just found it odd that he recently builds a decent system and then comes in asking for suggestions for top of the line stuff...meanwhile asking for advice for more custom items for his existing rig in the cases and cooling section. I mean, just how many "show" computers are you trying to build? Just seems fishy to me. Ahh..my bad, that rig is now for sale in the FS section.

My only thought on the matter is I wouldn't go full out on a graphics card at this point. The next gen consoles are out and sporting 8GB vram for the gpu....a lot of games for the PC are console ports, so there very well may be a need for desktop gfx cards with higher amounts of Vram. If nothing else opt for 4Gb models to be on the safe side.
 
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SlowSpyder

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The biggest problem with AM3+ is the old chipset features and what looks to be a dead end upgrade path, not the current CPU choices. I actually tried to buy an FX 9590, but that is a long story about Amazon letting me down, so I ended up with the next best CPU I could get. I wanted an FX 9590 just for overclocking it, actually.
 

ctk1981

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The biggest problem with AM3+ is the old chipset features and what looks to be a dead end upgrade path, not the current CPU choices. I actually tried to buy an FX 9590, but that is a long story about Amazon letting me down, so I ended up with the next best CPU I could get. I wanted an FX 9590 just for overclocking it, actually.

No problem. I was on a 1100T with a 990x...after I read the dead end I decided to jump on a FX-8320, mainly for some of the newer features it supports like AES acceleration. I managed to hit 4.4Ghz on 1.44 vcore (under load), but managing the heat these suckers pump out is a bit tricky.

Back to the OP......for a guy that has loads of money, no responsibilities you sure did have an interesting comment when you thought you nuked your old computer....

"Yeah I am trying to calm down but it's sooo much money and it's hard not to panic "

I think deathhorse nailed it in this thread, I think this was all done to get his post count up so he could post to the FS/FT section to unload his components from his previous build.
 

Torn Mind

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I'd buy some ASICs, mine bitcoin and get even moar money if I had an unlimited budget.
 

4Flat4Life

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Truth be told I really want to build a custom water loop... But don't want to build a loop for a poop system. So I thought I would be an extremely high end (without going insane) computer to build it.
 

moonbogg

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Truth be told I really want to build a custom water loop... But don't want to build a loop for a poop system. So I thought I would be an extremely high end (without going insane) computer to build it.

There is no extremely high end. Its just CPUs and all the new ones are basically the same, some just have a couple more cores for a few hundred more bucks. Just pick something new and then focus on the creative work of your custom loop and making the whole thing look unique and badass, yet legitimate because its got good parts. That's what its all about.
 

BonzaiDuck

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Truth be told I really want to build a custom water loop... But don't want to build a loop for a poop system. So I thought I would be an extremely high end (without going insane) computer to build it.

I went through that state of mind as a "phase." I was even contemplating a phase-change cooler together with some "Rube Goldberg" equivalents.

I had also chosen a case to make custom-watercooling a major top-drawer accomplishment. It was a Compaq Proliant server case produced in 1994. I had to drill and thread some extra holes for the ATX mobo and fit it carefully -- even had to mod the I/O port in back to fit the tin plate. All the drives would slide out in the original drawers of the server. I built a special aluminum cage on the case-bottom for 140mm fans; had dual 120x38mm output fans in the back. The side-panel window was carefully prepared with mirror window-film. I was going to cut plexi-glass splinters from photos of real thunderstorm lightning, and route the individual drive activity lights from the RAID-5 array to illuminate these splinters.

Then, I would step back, play my thunderstorm WAV file and exclaim: "It's A--LIVE!! A-LIVE!!

But being a practical computer user and former database administrator, I could see where this was going with "the wallet." I could have finished with the lightning splinters for next to nothing, and the watercooling might have cost me at most about $400. After experimenting with chrome paint from ALSA -- a lot of time and "stages" of work, I was planning to have the case chrome-plated locally -- figure at most another few hundred bucks.

I could see the writing on the wall with newer processor with lower TDP.

So I decided to keep it as an air-cooled rig. I built plexi-glass ducts drawing air under the motherboard and from the heatpipe cooler -- separately ported to the two exhaust fans.

No real chrome; no watercooling. But the 3" double-caster wheels with brakes were nice, as were the dual aluminum handles, the aircraft toggle switch and other features.

Let's say . . . I learned a lot. Since then, I've focused more on bang-for-the-buck with maximum stability, speed and functionality.

It may be a two-year-old Sandy Bridge, but I LUUUUVE this computer!
 

Meghan54

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There is no extremely high end. Its just CPUs and all the new ones are basically the same, some just have a couple more cores for a few hundred more bucks. Just pick something new and then focus on the creative work of your custom loop and making the whole thing look unique and badass, yet legitimate because its got good parts. That's what its all about.


That's what I was thinking when I read his statement. I've seen some very finely crafted water cooling setups on what could be called very modest systems, at least from the hardware point of view.

The objective in that is just like you related....the craftsmanship put into the watercooling loop(s) is the whole point.

I've seen polished copper tubing used inside a case that was handbuilt and used a set of handmade stained glass windows for the side and front panels.

There also exist solid silver cpu blocks...not very common, but they're out there. Heck, if you want to go that route, make the entire loop out of silver....silver piping, silver plate your gpu waterblock, or have a solid silver copy made of your favorite gpu block, just need a large enough silver block and someone good with a CNC machine.

Cost no object? Do an entire loop in 24k gold. All you need is money.
 

Headfoot

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Well the honest truth is that 64GB for gaming is a waste of money and time. Same with anything past 6 cores and RAID for SSDs (for gaming).

For gaming FASTER > MORE. Also applies for graphics cards, until you can only go faster by getting more. Every dollar you spend on RAM past 16gb is better spent on more/better graphics cards and monitors. Same with RAID SSD. Its complete overkill and won't make that much of a difference over the single SSD. Spend it instead on GFX and Monitors.

Think about it this way: when you sit down at your computer what will you notice more 1) the ~30GB of unused RAM and a 5% increase in CPU speed or that you save 1-3 seconds loading time from the RAID; or 2) Three monitors and can run at max settings because you spent the majority of your budget on beastly GFX? Spend money where it is the most noticeable. If you've never seen 120hz monitors or triple monitor set ups it's really pretty awesome. Definite wow factor

4930k + 16 GB of FAST RAM (2133 with tight timings), whichever high end MOBO you prefer + 2x 290x or 780ti. The more budget you get, spend on increasing the size of your water loop and adding more graphics cards. Make sure you have a nice 120hz Lightboost monitor, or a triple monitor set up.
 
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4Flat4Life

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Currently have 2 VE247?H? I think. Monitors are they good for that kind of thing? I ordered them quite awhile ago, and the specs seemed really awesome. Definitely going to take that into consideration!

Could you link me to some better RAM options? I'm not sure how to tell the difference in RAM yet never really looked into that.

So keep the two 780Ti's and you said RAID is pointless? So my current, one SSD for OS and one data drive for everything else is better option?
 

BonzaiDuck

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Bump, looking for answer.

Well, RAM is pretty much a commodity, and the distinctions among module/kit manufactures are the choice of "black parts."

Since it's a commodity, you won't find much in price differences between different manufacturers trying to meet the same spec.

The price will vary according to specification speed, tightness of spec latencies and voltage requirement. For overclocking, you may have better luck with fewer modules (for dual-channel, 2x8GB versus 4x4), but you've chosen the quad-channel route. I did some of my own investigations based on your initial post, and apparently there isn't a difference between the modules themselves across dual versus quad -- only the number sold as a kit and the manufacturer's assertion of "chosen specifically for quad-channel systems."

For those willing to overclock, there were some fairly inexpensive Samsung modules @ DDR-1600 with low spec voltage and good OC'ing potential -- no glitzy heat-spreaders.

I'd had some discussions with the tech-support at G.SKILL -- my preferred choice these days. It confirmed that you might find a lower-speed spec of RAM that runs at a higher OC with the settings of their high-end modules. You could conversely buy the high-end modules, UNDER-clock them, lower the voltage and tighten the latencies.

In your case, you might just as well get top end kits. But given the speed spec, look for lower spec voltage and tighter timings across different manufactures.

Especially, do your own "survey" of customer-reviews at sites like Newegg. Look for larger number of cus-reviews, and then the percentages of people who had "DOA" or "unable to run at full spec." Discard complaints of people who had problems for not tweaking their RAM manually beyond the XMP, auto and latency settings.

For G.SKILL's part, they are "all over" Newegg cus-reviews like flies on a dead bunny-rabbit -- always trying to assist buyers, offering exchanges and offering help in configuring the RAM.

Just surfing through the Newegg G.SKILL offerings, they have 32 GB 4x8GB kits of RipjawsX, RipjawsZ, Ares and Trident models rated at speeds from DDR3-2133 to DDR3-2400. But the voltage spec seems to be always around 1.60V. Other, similar modules may be rated at 1.65V. Last I heard, 1.65V was the upper safe limit. Maybe somebody with more recent info can tell you otherwise. The timings on these modules reflect the higher speeds.

So you could compare to slower RAM -- like my GBRL DDR3-1600's. You would certainly be able to run Ripjaws Z, Trident or Sniper modules rated at 2133 at 1866 or 1600 and tighten the timings while lowering the voltage.

Just as an example, I use two kits (for a dual-channel system) of four modules G.SKILL Ripjaws GBRL's. They're DDR3-1600's, latencies 9-9-9-24. I run them at DDR3-1866, 10-10-10-28 and CMD-1. The spec voltage is only 1.5V, and my OC'd modules are set at 1.52V -- which I believe is higher than it needs be if I'd been more careful and patient in testing.

But like I said: even with your high-end processor, mobo etc. -- a 1000% "thorough" HCI-Memtest pass will take you four days on 16GB. The maximum limit within warranty on these modules was either 1.6 or 1.65, while for purposes of Intel's CPU the recommendation was closer to 1.58V. You might want to investigate this latter item for your "-E" CPU.

Anyway, I'm happy with my own system and the RAM kits.

EDIT: Oh -- and on the monitors. You shouldn't have trouble configuring a triple monitor setup. I just ordered Laminar's X-Plane 10 flight sim program, and they promote just such an idea. Your best choices of monitors will have low response time in milliseconds, good quality control assessable through reviews first and cus-reviews second. Suggest you buy the same model and make for all three -- if that's the way you want to go. But do you have the desktop or other space that would make three monitors more convenient and less bothersome?
 
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Sleepingforest

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On a facetious note (serious note later):
With unlimited money, you might as well start up your own private fab and hire a team of engineers to develop for you.
Step 1: Make Intel's, Nvidia's, and AMD's engineers an offer they can't refuse.

Step 2: Have them make you a CPU and GPU that focuses on nothing but raw power. And interconnects for each. So you can use 10 of each at once.

Step 3a: Meanwhile, hire a team of designers and engineers to build a case to handle a 10 gigawatt machine. Or maybe a house centered around this CPU.

Step 3b: You'll need a pretty powerful electricity source to power this. Better get engineers working on that too.

Step 4: Laugh at the rest of the world, because with your unlimited money, you've stolen away all the consumer CPU/GPU development. And probably destabilized the world economy.

On a serious note:
If you're looking for memory you can play with in terms of overclocking, Mushkin has a good set around $310 for 4x8GB. It starts at a lower voltage, so by upping it to the norm of 1.5V, you can probably get some good speeds and tight timings (9-9-9-24 1800Mhz, probably). While there are no reviews, Mushkin is pretty well trusted, and do respond to reviews on other memory offerings.
 

Shmee

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I am thinking Haswell E with DDR4 will be the next big thing.
 

BonzaiDuck

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I am thinking Haswell E with DDR4 will be the next big thing.

We may even think at this moment that low power is Intel's most recent priority. But we really can't predict what may be around the corner. Certainly, Haswell-E may be the next big thing, but how long will it be "big?"

This particular forum always had participation by those such as myself who wanted "bang-for-buck" as well as sheer performance. If I thought it worthwhile, I might incline to a one-kilobuck choice of a flagship processor -- maybe $600 over what one might expend otherwise -- and see what sort of over-clocking mileage I could wring from it within "safe" parameters.

But the OP says he's enthused about these prospects as a hobby. Part of the fun of it includes DIY custom-made case-mods and a consideration of the "bang-for-buck" prospects.

The drawback of a flagship processor today arises from when it will be overshadowed by a mid-range processor tomorrow. On the other hand, I can see how it would be really nice to have one of those 4960X hex-cores to play with.
 

ultimatebob

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He shoulda got a fully loaded Mac Pro instead... it's just as expensive as the system as he just built, and it looks cooler
 

BonzaiDuck

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He shoulda got a fully loaded Mac Pro instead... it's just as expensive as the system as he just built, and it looks cooler

There was a time back in the late '80s, early '90s when I myself was at a crossroads -- because I had friends who were testing both waters -- Windows PC versus Mac. I had fiddled with replacing Intel chips with AMD replacements. That was when they were socket-compatible.

It would've meant doubling my outlays for computers, so I swore off the idea.

Apple makes a very nice computer -- laptops and I-pads and phones -- now "Windows compatible" to the extent I understand it.

I've never seen anyone on this forum speak of tweaking or over-clocking an Apple. Maybe I overlooked something. It wasn't in the centerfield of my attention or focus.
 
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