Budweiser and Miller merge

[Crusty]

Please show me this... national law (or state law in all 50 states) that says Budweiser (InBev AB) can't make a contract with a sporting arena to ONLY carry AB products. Please, do tell

The more you speak the stupider you sound.

1. There is nothing stopping a venue from only buying a certain brand of beer from their distributor under their own choice
2. "Pay to play", what you are describing, is actually illegal.

http://www.ttb.gov/pdf/ttbp51008_laws_regs_act052007.pdf

See page 7, § 205. Unfair competition and unlawful practices

 

[Ruptga]

Please show me this... national law (or state law in all 50 states) that says Budweiser (InBev AB) can't make a contract with a sporting arena to ONLY carry AB products. Please, do tell

The more you speak the stupider you sound.

1. There is nothing stopping a venue from only buying a certain brand of beer from their distributor under their own choice
2. "Pay to play", what you are describing, is actually illegal.

http://www.ttb.gov/pdf/ttbp51008_laws_regs_act052007.pdf

See page 7, § 205. Unfair competition and unlawful practices

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzgEi_u9-88&t=1m31s

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

The more you speak the stupider you sound.

1. There is nothing stopping a venue from only buying a certain brand of beer from their distributor under their own choice
2. "Pay to play", what you are describing, is actually illegal.

http://www.ttb.gov/pdf/ttbp51008_laws_regs_act052007.pdf

See page 7, § 205. Unfair competition and unlawful practices

What you are quoting is STRICTLY in reference to retailers (Grocery Stores, Target, Walmart, etc...) I SPECIFICALLY said Bars and Sporting Venues (and I said that from the start for anyone here that has reading troubles). I never once accused retailers of only carrying certain brands of alcohol. Thus, your stupid quote does not apply.

You do not read what you post, do you?

 

[Crusty]

What you are quoting is STRICTLY in reference to retailers (Grocery Stores, Target, Walmart, etc...) I SPECIFICALLY said Bars and Sporting Venues (and I said that from the start for anyone here that has reading troubles). I never once accused retailers of only carrying certain brands of alcohol. Thus, your stupid quote does not apply.

You do not read what you post, do you?

A consumer buying a beer at a bar is a retail purchase, at least depending on the state and how their licensing structure works.

 

[QueBert]

Plenty of people here are too stupid to realize... This isn't Miller and Budweiser merging. This is 70% of all brews merging.

That stuff you buy that you think is craft? probably a good 90% chance that it's not and is owned by InBev (Bud).

Honestly, I don't understand how companies can even fathom that shit like this isn't a monopoly on the market.


Here is a list of all brands under InBev (AB): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AB_InBev_brands
Here is a list of all brands under SABMiller: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SABMiller_brands

And if not owned, it's distributed by them, in So Cal Gate City (Miller) distributes Firestone Walker. I work at a craft beer store we had a guy who loved Elyisan, but as soon as Bud bought them, they magically because piss beer. It's only a matter of time before the elite craft breweries like Modern Times, Ninkasi, Belching Beaver & Almanac "sell out" Technically if you ask me, them even going with Bud or Miller just to have their products distributed is selling out. You shouldn't be able to buy good craft beer at chain stores like Target & Bevmo.

I'll tell you what, if the beer tastes the same I will continue to drink Ninkasi's Dawn Of The Red regardless of if a big cooperation buys it.

I dunno your 90% claim, but A LOT of craft breweries have been getting swooped up.

 

[TheSlamma]

Gee that's not a monopoly

on urine

 

[jaha2000]

What you are quoting is STRICTLY in reference to retailers (Grocery Stores, Target, Walmart, etc...) I SPECIFICALLY said Bars and Sporting Venues (and I said that from the start for anyone here that has reading troubles). I never once accused retailers of only carrying certain brands of alcohol. Thus, your stupid quote does not apply.

You do not read what you post, do you?

Sporting venues i agree. Bars, not true at all. At least not in Michigan. Even still, Sporting venues do that becuase InBev cuts them a giant check to only sell certain beers at their venues. They still buy beer from a distributor just like everybody else, they make a decision on what to sell based on sponsorship.

 

[Ruptga]

You shouldn't be able to buy good craft beer at chain stores like Target & Bevmo.

I was with you until I read that part. As long as the beer's quality isn't affected, why not? A lot of grocery stores in St. Louis stock good stuff from local breweries all across the state, it's awesome.

I don't buy the argument that it's impossible to produce and ship large amounts of good beer. It's harder, sure, but if their first commitment is to quality instead of cutting costs then it's possible.

 

[Fritzo]

I had an Abt 12 this past weekend :biggrin:
Six bucks a bottle, but so good.

I had the 8. It was one of the big bottles with the cork (my wife got it for me for my birthday). It's so rich and flavorful it's almost like a meal

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

A consumer buying a beer at a bar is a retail purchase, at least depending on the state and how their licensing structure works.

A BAR is a RETAILER? Did you seriously just say that?

A bar is first and foremost, a service. Hence, bar tender. Hence, whenever you order a drink - your waitor must first go to the bar and tell them to make the drink, because they are not qualified for that service (unless they have a license).

It is taxed different for that very reason.


tl;dr: A bar is definitely NOT a 'retailer'

 

[natto fire]

Is beer snobbery the new "I don't own a TV"? LOL at there are only local breweries in Oregon. We have plenty of them here in Ohio, mix and match 6 packs, and grocery stores with excellent selections. It actually is possible to support a local business and not be so condescending about it.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

And since we are talking about awesome beers that make my mouth water....


My clear winner has always been:

 

[vi edit]

And since we are talking about awesome beers that make my mouth water....


My clear winner has always been:

Had one of those last weekend. Good stuff. I love the "Noel" christmas version too.

 

[nakedfrog]

That's one of the most depressing things about our jam session's change of venue, the new place does not have Delirium Tremens. I've pestered the owner of the new place to stock it a few times.

 

[1sikbITCH]

Plenty of people here are too stupid to realize... This isn't Miller and Budweiser merging. This is 70% of all brews merging.

That stuff you buy that you think is craft? probably a good 90% chance that it's not and is owned by InBev (Bud).

Honestly, I don't understand how companies can even fathom that shit like this isn't a monopoly on the market.


Here is a list of all brands under InBev (AB): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AB_InBev_brands
Here is a list of all brands under SABMiller: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SABMiller_brands

Until Flying Dog gets bought out I'm good.

 

[natto fire]

Until Flying Dog gets bought out I'm good.

I have Jackie-O's, Great Lakes, Four String, Columbus Brewing, and Rhinegheist to fall back on. To say nothing of the more widely available craft beers.

There are always going to be niche brewers, it is just too old a process, and plenty of people who will pay extra over what is widely available.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

I have Jackie-O's, Great Lakes, Four String, Columbus Brewing, and Rhinegheist to fall back on. To say nothing of the more widely available craft beers.

There are always going to be niche brewers, it is just too old a process, and plenty of people who will pay extra over what is widely available.

Funny, the price of beer seems to only be going up regardless of the amount of competition. Kinda blows my mind sometimes... $10 for a 6-pack of beers that might be shitty.

Even $8-12 for the large single bottles that might be shitty

Sadly our liquor stores don't split the 6-packs, so regardless.... It's $10 to try a beer

 

[Fritzo]

Is beer snobbery the new "I don't own a TV"? LOL at there are only local breweries in Oregon. We have plenty of them here in Ohio, mix and match 6 packs, and grocery stores with excellent selections. It actually is possible to support a local business and not be so condescending about it.

It's not a "I don't own a TV" thing, it's a "didn't realize what we were missing" thing. I think Yuengling first turned me around as to how bad a lot of mass-produced beer is. I was a beer nurser...someone that got a beer and held on to it for an hour or two then never finished it. Someone served me a Black and Tan at a party and I was like "Hey..for beer, this ain't bad!"

After that, I learned that a lot of beer actually does taste terrible, but some beers are actually really great. Budweiser just happens to be the McDonald's Quarter Pounder of beers. It sells like crazy, but it's not very good.

 

[tHa ShIzNiT]

And since we are talking about awesome beers that make my mouth water....


My clear winner has always been:

Love that stuff man. Tastes great and its a heavy hitter.

 

[natto fire]

Funny, the price of beer seems to only be going up regardless of the amount of competition. Kinda blows my mind sometimes... $10 for a 6-pack of beers that might be shitty.

Even $8-12 for the large single bottles that might be shitty

Sadly our liquor stores don't split the 6-packs, so regardless.... It's $10 to try a beer

Breweries are not immune to inflation. No one is forcing you to live in a state with stupid liquor laws. Not sure if they do tastings in your state, but around here, you can sometimes try before you buy, and there are plenty of bars that have the seasonal on tap.

It's not a "I don't own a TV" thing, it's a "didn't realize what we were missing" thing. I think Yuengling first turned me around as to how bad a lot of mass-produced beer is. I was a beer nurser...someone that got a beer and held on to it for an hour or two then never finished it. Someone served me a Black and Tan at a party and I was like "Hey..for beer, this ain't bad!"

After that, I learned that a lot of beer actually does taste terrible, but some beers are actually really great. Budweiser just happens to be the McDonald's Quarter Pounder of beers. It sells like crazy, but it's not very good.

I was not trying to single you out, and actually most of this thread has been tame, excluding Portland hipster. I also get where you are coming from, as I used to drink just to get drunk, and preferred spirits and wine/coolers over beer. I can now drink any beer, but much prefer one that has a more complex flavor.

We have quite a few good brewers in our state, to boot.

 

[Fritzo]

Breweries are not immune to inflation. No one is forcing you to live in a state with stupid liquor laws. Not sure if they do tastings in your state, but around here, you can sometimes try before you buy, and there are plenty of bars that have the seasonal on tap.

When you can't mass produce the stuff, you have to build in the costs. These breweries just don't have 2 mile long production plants in all 50 states like the big guys.

 

[QueBert]

And to all you beer snobs who hate the main players, when the craft breweries become popular and are unable to produce the quantity they need to keep up with the demand. The quality usually starts to fall very quickly. Bootleggers had a few of my favorites last year, but they're stupidly popular now, and the beers just don't taste as good.

3 out comes here. 1. They sell to Bud they're a sell out and suck and nobody will want it. 2. they keep trying to do it themselves and the quality will not the same consistency as before and nobody will want it. or 3. they scale back brewing making the quality go up but the availability go way down, and people won't want it. They're fucked if they do, fucked if they don't. If they try to grow on their own, it will take too long and by the time they get there nobody will give a shit about them any longer. The only other option is to become a niche uber expensive brand that stays small and charges stupid prices. While there are people who will spent $15-30 on a 24oz bottle, or $10 on a 12oz, it's not ever going to make your company rich.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

And to all you beer snobs who hate the main players, when the craft breweries become popular and are unable to produce the quantity they need to keep up with the demand. The quality usually starts to fall very quickly. Bootleggers had a few of my favorites last year, but they're stupidly popular now, and the beers just don't taste as good.

3 out comes here. 1. They sell to Bud they're a sell out and suck and nobody will want it. 2. they keep trying to do it themselves and the quality will not the same consistency as before and nobody will want it. or 3. they scale back brewing making the quality go up but the availability go way down, and people won't want it. They're fucked if they do, fucked if they don't. If they try to grow on their own, it will take too long and by the time they get there nobody will give a shit about them any longer.

If they aren't doing things like brewing the beer long enough in order to try and distribute it quicker, that's their own damn fault. As sales go up, you need to invest further to produce more and keep up with demand.

 

[natto fire]

When you can't mass produce the stuff, you have to build in the costs. These breweries just don't have 2 mile long production plants in all 50 states like the big guys.

My cousin runs Four String brewing here in Columbus. He sells his beer for 1 dollar less per six pack than the other local brewers ($9, vs $10). He only just recently got some good distribution channels, and is not raking it in by any means. He also doesn't have executive overhead, advertising costs, hell he even has volunteers come in to help when he cans a batch of beer.

That said, he still has to deal with the economies of scale, and has to charge accordingly. You are absolutely right, but as long as there are people who pay the premium to get a better product without the BS, these businesses are going to continue to thrive.