Buick Lucerne = Junk

[foghorn67]

[/quote]And one day you're realize that the Accord and Camry are still superior vehicles.[/quote]

And some day you'll rezlize spec racing family sedands are the teh loose.

 

[SampSon]

I wrecked up my gramma's buick bad one night after a hard night of drinking, she was happy because she got to buy a toyota!

 

[mugs]

I'm amazed that you were able to read all that and come to the conclusion that it is junk.

 

[MikeMike]

Originally posted by: mugs
I'm amazed that you were able to read all that and come to the conclusion that it is junk.

its NFS4... if it doesnt say "it beats toyota" or "toyota" on the badge, or hyundai, its junk.

i mean, dont forget...

"
Inside, the Lucerne is a tranquil place. Interior sound levels at full throttle and at 70 mph are lower than we recorded in the 2007 Lexus ES 350 we tested recently. "

 

[NFS4]

Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE

Originally posted by: mugs
I'm amazed that you were able to read all that and come to the conclusion that it is junk.

its NFS4... if it doesnt say "it beats toyota" or "toyota" on the badge, or hyundai, its junk.

Pot, meet kettle.

BTW, I'd take an Azera over the Buick anyday

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

I am mystified why GM shut down Oldsmobile in favor of keeping Buick. There simply is no duller marque in existence, period.

 

[MikeMike]

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE

Originally posted by: mugs
I'm amazed that you were able to read all that and come to the conclusion that it is junk.

its NFS4... if it doesnt say "it beats toyota" or "toyota" on the badge, or hyundai, its junk.

Pot, meet kettle.

BTW, I'd take an Azera over the Buick anyday

maybe this weekend ill go test drive all the cars i can...

i sat in an azera, didnt drive it, but i wasnt THAT impressed. it was meh.

 

[OS]

all arguing aside, it's fairly obvious at this point the car probably isn't going to sell well but that's not really any different from pretty much all of GM's cars.

 

[NFS4]

Originally posted by: DonVito
I am mystified why GM shut down Oldsmobile in favor of keeping Buick. There simply is no duller marque in existence, period.

Oldsmobile had the best looking cars out of the entire GM lineup

 

[Squisher]

A little better review

 

[MikeMike]

Originally posted by: OS
all arguing aside, it's fairly obvious at this point the car probably isn't going to sell well but that's not really any different from pretty much all of GM's cars.

Lucerne 8,690 0 ***.* 22,124 0 ***.*

(march, and YTD sales)

XG350/AZERA 2,401 1,364 6,260 3,783

AVALON 8,697 8,625 0.8 22,543 15,433 46.1

iit trails the Avalon by 400 sales...

 

[OS]

Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE

Originally posted by: OS
all arguing aside, it's fairly obvious at this point the car probably isn't going to sell well but that's not really any different from pretty much all of GM's cars.

Lucerne 8,690 0 ***.* 22,124 0 ***.*

(march, and YTD sales)

XG350/AZERA 2,401 1,364 6,260 3,783

AVALON 8,697 8,625 0.8 22,543 15,433 46.1

iit trails the Avalon by 400 sales...

I guess I eat it then, not bad.

I'm surprised that it sells so well despite being quantifiably worse performing on pretty much most metrics. Go GM.

 

[MikeMike]

Originally posted by: OS

Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE

Originally posted by: OS
all arguing aside, it's fairly obvious at this point the car probably isn't going to sell well but that's not really any different from pretty much all of GM's cars.

Lucerne 8,690 0 ***.* 22,124 0 ***.*

(march, and YTD sales)

XG350/AZERA 2,401 1,364 6,260 3,783

AVALON 8,697 8,625 0.8 22,543 15,433 46.1

iit trails the Avalon by 400 sales...

I guess I eat it then, not bad.

I'm surprised that it sells so well despite being quantifiably worse performing on pretty much most metrics. Go GM.

you just happened to post on a day that all the sales numbers came out

im waiting for GM's earnings for 1q 06.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: DonVito
I am mystified why GM shut down Oldsmobile in favor of keeping Buick. There simply is no duller marque in existence, period.

Oldsmobile had the best looking cars out of the entire GM lineup

Yeah, I thought the Intrigue and Aurora were pretty decent cars for what they were. Oldsmobile seemed to be making some headway toward broadening their market beyond blue-hairs, but Buick is going in the wrong direction IMO. The problem is that baby boomers, unlike today's 70- and 80-year-olds, don't have a strong brand loyalty or loyalty to American cars (partially a function of the fact that GM cars were so poor for 20 years or so, starting in the late '70s, while Japanese cars earned larger and larger market share).

 

[psteng19]

That was a pretty rough review.
I had it as a rental for a couple of weeks and thought it was an average full size sedan, but much improved over GM's of the '90's.

I got 30 mpg on mostly highway driving.
I did notice some vibration during braking. Warped rotors?
The car only had 5k miles on it.

My review posted on another forum (written at work so excuse the lack of flow):

I had one as a rental for 2 weeks and I too must say that I was surprisingly impressed.
I got the base model with the V6, which I felt was more than adequate, performance-wise. Keep in mind I'm coming from a 1.6L 4 banger, so just about anything feels more powerful.

Anyway, with the V6, I felt a hint of torque steer when floored. Was wondering how they could contain the V8.
The downside to the powertrain was the 4 speed auto. I mean c'mon GM, not that the 4 speed is bad, but the competition has 5 speeds or better.
They've been using this 4 speed for years, if not decades, and I know it's stout and reliable, but it does take awhile to downshift when stomped on.
Fortunately, the 3800 has loads of torque all over so it was never really hunting for gears. If anything, a 5 or 6 speed would help with quicker acceleration and better gas mileage.
Also, the engine was a little rough when accelerating hard. Not as smooth and refined as a Nissan or Honda V6. There is where an OHC application is superior to OHV.

Personally, I thought the radio and HVAC controls were nice to the touch and provided good tactile feedback. I especially liked the rubber around the knobs, and the feel of each as they clicked into their predefined positions.

My gripes about the interior include the plasticky dash, the subpar cloth material of the seats (did not have leather option), and chrome trim around the shifter which seemed to always find a way to relect sunlight directly into my vision.
The absolute worse part of the interior had to be the steering wheel on the base model. The material used on that piece was beyond embarassing. Why skimp on the part of the car that your hand will be making contact with the most? I would've been sufficiently happy if they used the same (leather?) material that they used on the shifter.

Don't get me wrong. Overall, the interior is a huge improvement over GM's previous models.
The wood trim, while not totally convincing, did not look completely out of place. The build quality was excellent - no embarassing gaps or peeling trim. I do not remember any rattles.
In fact, one of the things I liked most was how quiet the car was. Guess that quiet tuning is more than just a gimmick.
The ride was plush, back seat was limo-like. However, I could not get my small 5'8" 140 lb frame comfortable in the front buckets. Guess they were designed for larger folks.

I would definitely consider the Lucerne when put up against the 500, Maxima, Avalon and Azera.

 

[m2kewl]

look at you all. arguing about hi powered v6/v8 FWD cars.

bunch of losers!

 

[kranky]

Might be expensive compared to other cars when new, but the nice thing about Buicks is the resale value is crap. So I got a year-old Buick for 40% less than new - and at that price, it's a screaming bargain.

I think that Lucerne, when it's a year old and selling for a little over $20K, will be a heck of a deal.

 

[Mr.IncrediblyBored]

I don't understand the point of this thread. You guys are comparing one FWD boat to another FWD boat. The Lucerne is quiet, smooth riding, and powerful enough. Somebody in their target audience would be perfectly with happy with any vehicle in this segment.

 

[VirginiaDonkey]

now I know that the OP is smoking crack just like edmunds with these nose up "insert jap car company here" ass.

"Oldsmobile had the best looking cars out of the entire GM lineup " <-- you sir are on a real bad crack trip

The edmunds mid-size car review last week and now this one <--- Japanese crack must really be good nowadays

 

[Iron Woode]

Originally posted by: psteng19
That was a pretty rough review.
I had it as a rental for a couple of weeks and thought it was an average full size sedan, but much improved over GM's of the '90's.

I got 30 mpg on mostly highway driving.
I did notice some vibration during braking. Warped rotors?
The car only had 5k miles on it.

My review posted on another forum (written at work so excuse the lack of flow):

I had one as a rental for 2 weeks and I too must say that I was surprisingly impressed.
I got the base model with the V6, which I felt was more than adequate, performance-wise. Keep in mind I'm coming from a 1.6L 4 banger, so just about anything feels more powerful.

Anyway, with the V6, I felt a hint of torque steer when floored. Was wondering how they could contain the V8.
The downside to the powertrain was the 4 speed auto. I mean c'mon GM, not that the 4 speed is bad, but the competition has 5 speeds or better.
They've been using this 4 speed for years, if not decades, and I know it's stout and reliable, but it does take awhile to downshift when stomped on.
Fortunately, the 3800 has loads of torque all over so it was never really hunting for gears. If anything, a 5 or 6 speed would help with quicker acceleration and better gas mileage.
Also, the engine was a little rough when accelerating hard. Not as smooth and refined as a Nissan or Honda V6. There is where an OHC application is superior to OHV.

Personally, I thought the radio and HVAC controls were nice to the touch and provided good tactile feedback. I especially liked the rubber around the knobs, and the feel of each as they clicked into their predefined positions.

My gripes about the interior include the plasticky dash, the subpar cloth material of the seats (did not have leather option), and chrome trim around the shifter which seemed to always find a way to relect sunlight directly into my vision.
The absolute worse part of the interior had to be the steering wheel on the base model. The material used on that piece was beyond embarassing. Why skimp on the part of the car that your hand will be making contact with the most? I would've been sufficiently happy if they used the same (leather?) material that they used on the shifter.

Don't get me wrong. Overall, the interior is a huge improvement over GM's previous models.
The wood trim, while not totally convincing, did not look completely out of place. The build quality was excellent - no embarassing gaps or peeling trim. I do not remember any rattles.
In fact, one of the things I liked most was how quiet the car was. Guess that quiet tuning is more than just a gimmick.
The ride was plush, back seat was limo-like. However, I could not get my small 5'8" 140 lb frame comfortable in the front buckets. Guess they were designed for larger folks.

I would definitely consider the Lucerne when put up against the 500, Maxima, Avalon and Azera.

re - bolded part:

pure BS. My 318 is OHV (cam in block) and accelerates smooth as silk.

The problem is probably the trans or engine tuning; not whether its OHV or SOHC.

 

[psteng19]

Originally posted by: Iron Woode
re - bolded part:

pure BS. My 318 is OHV (cam in block) and accelerates smooth as silk.

The problem is probably the trans or engine tuning; not whether its OHV or SOHC.

Not sure if we're talking about the same thing.
I was referring to the sound of the engine during acceleration. Not how smooth the actual acceleration is.
Pretty sure it's unversally agreed upon that OHC engines are smoother and more refined than OHV.

 

[MikeMike]

hehe, NFS4 got reamed out over on TCL for the topic title.

 

[sniperruff]

Originally posted by: KnightBreed
I don't understand the point of this thread. You guys are comparing one FWD boat to another FWD boat. The Lucerne is quiet, smooth riding, and powerful enough. Somebody in their target audience would be perfectly with happy with any vehicle in this segment.

but when you can get better performance, better interior, better fuel economy, and better resale value for a similar price (aka ES350, avalon, azera), i don't see why anyone would buy the buick, which is based on an aged platform.

as for launching cars, times can vary by weather, time of the day, location, and a lot other factors.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: NFS4
I can't get the big toyota dong out of my mouth

Fixed!

:laugh:


Edmunds is the absolute worst car review site ever. If it's not a Honda, Toyota, or Mitsubishi, their editors don't like it and bash it even if every test driver loved it.

Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE
im sorry, which company has cheated in racing, has only been considered "good" for what 20 years maybe? have NO history like GM, werent around back in the hayday of the automobile in the U.S. produce the MOST boring cars EVER in history? are #2 in sales?

Would that be the same company that started off as a sewing machine manufacturer?