build advice

[mfenn]

about the 8350 i just thought that with games finally becoming more multithreaded it might be a good idea to have 8 cores. i was more or less planning on buying the 8350 from the beginning. i suppose i should have told you guys more clearly. you guys were not on for on hour so i just assumed to buy the better motherboard. the only reason i had to buy so soon was because the video cards ere out of stock in mere hours and i wanted the asus 270x video card. you guys said the reve gene, 270x, sandisk ssd, toshiba hard drive, and true spirit were good choices. even the apatop you said was good.

We stated man many many many times that if you were going to spend $200 on an 8350, you would be better off getting an Intel i5. Your only response was that you'd rather buy AMD (your sacred cow), so we said than an FX-6300 was the best bang-for-the-buck AMD. That's just an example of how its frustrating. I hope that this is been a learning experience for everyone.

 

[norseamd]

We stated man many many many times that if you were going to spend $200 on an 8350, you would be better off getting an Intel i5. Your only response was that you'd rather buy AMD (your sacred cow), so we said than an FX-6300 was the best bang-for-the-buck AMD. That's just an example of how its frustrating. I hope that this is been a learning experience for everyone.

your critism on the choice of processor is probably accurate on a price per performance or good enough basis. i just decided earlier that i probably was going to buy the 8350 because of reasons stated earlier and that i did want to have the high end processor from amd. i will probably buy a graphics card later down the road to replace the 270x but keep the 8350. i just want to see how these standards from amd will play before buying a bigger graphics card.

just relize that i did buy many other parts that you guys suggested and i think they look great. your advice was incrediably helpful. just because the processor was different does not mean that the rest of this thread was a waste. you do not have to waste time convincing me to buy the 6300 if i seem like i might buy something else. thankyou for your advice guys.

as for the sacred cow that i did look up in wikipedia. i thought that it might mean something that i put attention on unreasonably but apparantly it means ignoring critism. i am wondering if you meant amd or my decision to buy amd. i really do not care to put more effort to my pick of the 8350. but if you have anthing to say on amd go ahead i would listen.

there are more questions that i would like to be answered if you guys are willing.

is a ssd cache for a hard drive worth it when i already am using a ssd for a boot drive?

does multiple antiviruses interfere with each other if only one of them is on autoprotect or active firewall or active antivirus?

 

[mfenn]

is a ssd cache for a hard drive worth it when i already am using a ssd for a boot drive?

Not usually. You put your stuff that needs to be fast on the SSD and the stuff where speed doesn't matter on the HDD.

does multiple antiviruses interfere with each other if only one of them is on autoprotect or active firewall or active antivirus?

This is way too broad of a question to answer. There are hundreds, maybe even thousands of combinations out there and I don't think that anybody has tested them all. Your best bet is to stick with one AV and be smart about your browsing practices.

 

[norseamd]

This is way too broad of a question to answer. There are hundreds, maybe even thousands of combinations out there and I don't think that anybody has tested them all. Your best bet is to stick with one AV and be smart about your browsing practices.

ture. the two ones i might think of might be bitdefender and malwarebytes. bitdefender seems to protect me reasonably enough while browsing. as faras checking what you click on i mean the address description in the lower left corner not generally thinking about what you click on. sometimes you forget to look at the description so protection is good.

 

[norseamd]

would this hav been worh anything?

http://www.amazon.com/OCZ-Technology...206537&sr=1-12

 

[Sleepingforest]

No. It's far too expensive for what it gives to the average user.

 

[Cerb]

Worse: the 110GB is 2 60GB Sandforce SSDs in a RAID 0. Many single drives on SATA 6Gbps are faster for everything except very large file copies, which 110GB kind of limits one's ability to do much of (and, IIRC, it's still under 1GBps, so a current-gen SATA RAID 0 will still walk all over it).

 

[mfenn]

ture. the two ones i might think of might be bitdefender and malwarebytes. bitdefender seems to protect me reasonably enough while browsing. as faras checking what you click on i mean the address description in the lower left corner not generally thinking about what you click on. sometimes you forget to look at the description so protection is good.

No, those are both full anti-virus software with kernel drivers. Just pick one and call it good.

Worse: the 110GB is 2 60GB Sandforce SSDs in a RAID 0. Many single drives on SATA 6Gbps are faster for everything except very large file copies, which 110GB kind of limits one's ability to do much of (and, IIRC, it's still under 1GBps, so a current-gen SATA RAID 0 will still walk all over it).

Yep. The RevoDrive is not really a PCIe SSD in the strict sense of the term. It's really just two SATA drives and a cheap PCIe SATA RAID controller all mounted on one board. You get all the downsides of RAID on tiny SSDs and none of the benefits of a PCIe SSD (well, besides form factor).

 

[norseamd]

how good is the corsair force?

 

[mfenn]

how good is the corsair force?

It's a older Sandforce SF-2281 based SSD, so it would not be my first (or second or third) pick.

 

[norseamd]

the force ls uses a phison controller with toshiba nand flash. it seems the older force ssds used a sandforce controller. this is suppose to be a value ssd.

http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/corsair_ls_ssd_benchmark_review_test,2.html

 

[Cerb]

It is, but it's also barely under $1/GB, so it's not much of a value to the buyer. TMK, it's the only Force-branded that isn't Sandforce-based. It also has performance that's all kinds of meh, and the cost isn't as appealing as SSDs from memory/storage companies (well, except Intel), like Micron, Samsung, Toshiba, Sandisk, Kingston, and Seagate. Hynix buying LAMD was more than a little bit of a setback for Corsair's SSD business. I wouldn't be surprised if they get out, in the next few years, like Patriot did.

 

[norseamd]

how will toshiba ssd be now that they bought ocz and have their own controller?

thankyou by the way guys as ssds are still very new to me.

 

[Cerb]

Toshiba was already fine. Their recent, "Q Drive," series is every bit as ideal of a mobile SSD as the Samsung 840 Pro. As well, like Samsung, Micron, and Sandisk, they are major OEM suppliers. Toshiba, also, like Micron, have put a focus on error correction improvements in their latest series*.

Several companies were looking at OCZ like vultures, to pick what may be worth something of the company, including the Indilinix guys. OCZ has been on deathwatch for some time, now. Toshiba and Seagate had both been rumored to be interested, in the past.

They may use them to make better SSDs. But, at the same time, what good stuff OCZ was able to do with them wasn't about SSDs, but good talent with experience. Some of those same people could just leave, in which case Toshiba would still have documentation and patents, or they might get options to work on entirely different projects, for their managerial and/or technical skillsets. IoW, the same people could go on to very different projects, now that their previous day job is on the rocks.

* Since a URE (unrecoverable read error) has a chance to brick a drive, I think it's a fine thing to do, just not with low quality flash, as was Sandforce's marketing of/for RAISE.

 

[norseamd]

how good is this samsung 840 pro?

 

[Cerb]

how good is this samsung 840 pro?

It's fairly low power, with power saving features not active (hence being a good mobile SSD), while being quite fast, especially for write-heavy workloads, but Samsung wants way too much money for them. While still among the fastest desktop/notebook SSDs, the difference between OK and really fast is not much, in practice, and which is really the fastest depends on what you benchmark.

The 840 Pro tops so many charts, FI, because content creation, which it is great at, is benchmarked a lot, and weighted heavily but test suites like PCMark. Apple also uses Samsung as an SSD OEM, so there's cheating or anything, there: Samsung tweaked their SSD for professional Apple users, more or less. Unless you are professionally performing work that may be limited by the SSD, such as video editing, where mere seconds of savings per day could very well add up to some ROI v. a slightly slower SSD, you'll never even notice a difference, nor is it worth paying more for.

http://www.storagereview.com/wd_black_4tb_review_wd4001faex
That's a pretty fast and large HDD.

http://www.storagereview.com/crucial_m500_ssd_review
That's a slightly better than average speed SSD*.

Notice the typical >500x difference in worst-case write time (but up to 3000x), >50x the write operations per second, >100x read operations per second, and the high transfer rates across the board. The different SSDs are mostly clustered together, and the different HDDs are, too; but each are so far apart it's just comical to compare them to each other. As a desktop or notebook user, any current-generation SSD will simply remove the disk performance botteleneck. Sure, you have to wait, sometimes. But, when copying GBs of files of varied sizes completes in just seconds, and doesn't significantly slow down the computer while it's going on, you hardly notice. I very much disagree with skimping on CPU, GPU, or RAM to fit an SSD into a budget; but, if that's not a problem, then I'm all for getting the biggest SSD that can fit the remainder of the budget.

* For desktop/notebook use, anyway. The Iometer workload graphs there show a bit more of its strengths, as a cheapie business SSD, like the M4 and 830 before it.

 

[norseamd]

No, those are both full anti-virus software with kernel drivers. Just pick one and call it good.

so what is tis kernal drivers? any additional antiviruses i would want would be just to use different scanning algorithims on a virus scan. anything that could do this while remaining compatable with bitdefender?

how do bitdefender and malwarebytes compare?

 

[Cerb]

Differences between AV software in terms of effectiveness is highly overrated, and to a one, every one that's a few % better than Microsoft Security Essentials also incurs the penalty of dealing with false positives. It's not like the best are finding 10 times as much as MSE will. They're finding like 5% more, instead.

Learn to assume there are organized criminals out to get your personal information, and browse accordingly. Check the actual destinations of links, don't run software from someone you're not familiar with and trust, and so on and so forth. The AV client is a safety net for when a trusted source has been compromised without there being any clear indications of having been compromised.

 

[norseamd]

does a audio technica ad700 on a asus xonar dx sound any better with a amplifier? lehtv runs sennheisers does he know anything about this?

 

[Sleepingforest]

If you use the Xonar, don't use an amp. If you use an amp, don't use the Xonar. Modern motherboards have good enough DACs (and in general, DAC technology has reached the point where a very cheap DAC is indiscernible from a very expensive one).

If you're getting an AD700, I'd say get either a Schiit Magni or an O2 amp. Those will both power pretty much anything except for the most power hungry headphones.

 

[Cerb]

If you use the Xonar, don't use an amp. If you use an amp, don't use the Xonar. Modern motherboards have good enough DACs (and in general, DAC technology has reached the point where a very cheap DAC is indiscernible from a very expensive one).

The DAC on the mobo isn't the problem, itself. Without other components to add noise, they'd all sound great. I've still yet to hear onboard sound, with a video card in the system, that won't readily have plenty of audible noise, with any headphones, though. My current PC is no exception. I tried it just to see, after getting it up and running, and be it a 7300GT, GTX 460, or HD 2400 Pro, web page rendering, moving windows, minimizing and maximizing, etc., were all quite audible.

 

[norseamd]

If you're getting an AD700

already have both a asus xonar dx and a audio technica ad700. i just want to know if a amp would do anything for me.

 

[mfenn]

so what is tis kernal drivers? any additional antiviruses i would want would be just to use different scanning algorithims on a virus scan. anything that could do this while remaining compatable with bitdefender?

how do bitdefender and malwarebytes compare?

Kernel drivers are the things that let an anti-virus put itself in IO path, that's how they do real-time scanning. I agree with Cerb and just use MSE. If I really wanted to pay for something, I would choose malwarebytes because it is less intrusive.

 

[norseamd]

do you know anything about android security?

 

[Cerb]

do you know anything about android security?

There's already malware, and security products for it that purport to do AV and such are sketchy at best, since even they must run in sandboxes, just like other apps. Right now, the practical outlook is hard to read, like that magic 8-ball you find in the closet that's been slowly evaporating since you were 10. Every device has a slightly different OS, sometimes for business reasons, but the reasons why it has been allowed are technical (basically, that ARM has nothing like x86's standardization of bootup, interrupt handling, peripheral communications, and so on), so without regular updates...who knows. The rabbit hole goes very deep, for that question.