building a rendering machine

Ilikepiedoyou

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I am quite the noob when looking for computer hardware. I would like to create a new machince. I do a lot of rendering and 3d modeling mostly in rhino and 3ds. What can you all suggest for a new motherboard, processer, and video card? I need the video card to have outputs for multiple monitors. I will also be purchasing two maybe 19 inch monitors. I would like them to be flat screen. Any suggestions on what to look for? Also are do video cards significantly more expensive when you move up to two or three monitors? Also are there any suggestions on how much and what kind of RAM to look for? Any other major components I am missing? Thanks in advance for any help you all can give.
 

Fullmetal Chocobo

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What version of 3D Studio Max? And I haven't kept up on it--has it been certified for Windows SServer 2003?

Anyway, i would highly suggest a Quadro card... Rendering with those is just so much better when setting up a scene. A high end C2D with a Quadro would render very nicely, and spanks the hell out of my dual Xeon that I had.

Good luck with your work...
 

rstrohkirch

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Like already mentioned...
fast dual cpu
good gpu

2gig min for ram perferably 4gig
ddr2-667 should be fine but not sure on realistic benchmark differences

 

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4x1gb, vista ultimate + readyboost 16gb, raptors in raid + storage drive, e6600 @ 3+ghz
 

krotchy

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Price Range?

Pretty much for rendering, more cores = better. Also Id suggest getting 20 inch monitors, as 1600x1200 is alot nicer to view renders on than 1280x1024.

As for video cards, no cards can do more than 2 outputs. However you can put 2 cards in a computer easily and get 4 monitors (Non-SLI mode)

A Pretty Sweet Station (Not cheap):
Asus P5W-DH Motherboard
Intel QX6700 (more cores = faster rendering, so 4 cores will be better than 2)
4GB Corsair XMS DDR2-800
Boot Drive: WD Raptor 150GB
Scratch/Render Drives: 2-4 Seagate 7200.10 320GB Drives in RAID 0
Video Card Main: Nvidia Quadro FX3450 or Better
Secondary Card: Nvidia 7300GT (Dual DVI Outputs)
Power Supply: Seasonic M12 600W
Case: Lian-Li PC-101
 

pkme2

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If you want to build a 3D rendering machine, I recommend the Quadro FX
I've used ATI FireGL for the same work too.

I 've had great success in getting "new" computer pulls from HP/Dell workstations. The prices are great if you're on a budget.


 

Ilikepiedoyou

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So what does quadro mean or do? Also would it be a wise idea to get a dual proccesor motherboard, then get two dual cores chips? Can xp support this? Also is it best to find a video car with two dvi outputs?
 

Fullmetal Chocobo

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Originally posted by: Ilikepiedoyou
So what does quadro mean or do? Also would it be a wise idea to get a dual proccesor motherboard, then get two dual cores chips? Can xp support this? Also is it best to find a video car with two dvi outputs?

Quadro (and FireGL) cards are video cards specifically for rendering. They have certified drivers to ensure their stability, compared to their performance driven sister cards (6800, 7800, etc). These cards allow you to render with specific programs that dramatically increase performance in settings up scenes in rendering programs like 3D Studio Max.

As far as the processor question, getting a dual processor motherboard is going to increase the price dramatically, so I'd get a single socket mobo, and get a fast processor. And yes, Windows XP can take advantage of dual processor dual core setups (I had Windows XP running on my dual Xeon with HT, so windows saw 4 logical cores).
 

Ilikepiedoyou

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thanks for the info. How much looking to sped for a single vs a dual core mobo. Is there the possibleity of getting a dual core mobo and buying only one dual or single core processor right now, and have the option to ungrade later?
 

BurnItDwn

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Originally posted by: Ilikepiedoyou
thanks for the info. How much looking to sped for a single vs a dual core mobo. Is there the possibleity of getting a dual core mobo and buying only one dual or single core processor right now, and have the option to ungrade later?

Yes, it is possible to buy a SMP dual socket motherboard and run it with one CPU, with the option of adding a second CPU later.
I don't know the exact price differences between dual socket and single socket mobos, however, generally, Dual processor boards cost MORE than double what a single socket board costs. Also, IIRC, you need to buy more expensive CPU's that are rated to run in multiple CPU systems.

Also, be aware that "quad core" single socket CPU's are on the horizon, so it might make more sense to go single socket, buy a nice dual core CPU, then in a year or so, swap the CPU out to a new quad core model.




As far as video cards go,
Fullmetal Chocobo pretty much explained things perfectly. One other thing worth mentioning, is that you can get a card with up to 4 DVI outputs, however, the cost vs a dual DVI card may not be worthwhile to you.

Another thing, why a large number of 19inch LCDs? Have you considered maybe just going with dual larger LCDs instead? A pair of 24inch LCDs would yield 3840x1200 pixels of area to work with (2,304,000 pixels per monitor), most 19inch LCDs are 1280x1024, (1,310,720 pixels per monitor)

It would take four 19inch LCDs to equate to similar screen real estate in terms of pixels to just two 24inch LCDs. That being said, four 19inch LCDs would probably cost about $300 or so less than a pair of 24inch LCDs, however, the difference in price in video cards to support dual 24s vs four 19s may cost more than the difference in the panels.

Just something to think about ....
 

Duvie

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be careful....Go to guru3d.com...

It appears that 3dsmax works just as well using direct 3d then opengl...If this is the case then safe yourself a 1000 and get a 512mb decent gamer card and you can have great performance...

If you are running older apps and need opengl and older maxextreme drivers then softmodding ATI cards are easier since the move to pci-e....If you have AGP then a 6800GT can be turned into a FX4000 at about 1500-1800 under retail value...The 6800GT pci-e card works but it is hit or miss since you have to find an earlier one with the NV40 chipset....Good luck...I have one but not thinking of selling...Since it clocks to ulta speeds it actually outperforms most cards on th emarket still including the FX4400
 

Ilikepiedoyou

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Originally posted by: Duvie
It appears that 3dsmax works just as well using direct 3d then opengl...If this is the case then safe yourself a 1000 and get a 512mb decent gamer card and you can have great performance...

If you are running older apps and need opengl and older maxextreme drivers then softmodding ATI cards are easier since the move to pci-e

what is direct 3d and opengl? And are you suggesting that because the choice of either dosen't affect either, tehn there is no use in getting a quadro card? Is there any where I can look to see if my old apps need opengl?



Wow I'm definetly in over my head here, I have no diea what you are talking about...are there any sort of write-ups that explain all these basics on video cards, I wasn't able to find any?
 

Fullmetal Chocobo

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Originally posted by: Ilikepiedoyou
Originally posted by: Duvie
It appears that 3dsmax works just as well using direct 3d then opengl...If this is the case then safe yourself a 1000 and get a 512mb decent gamer card and you can have great performance...

If you are running older apps and need opengl and older maxextreme drivers then softmodding ATI cards are easier since the move to pci-e

what is direct 3d and opengl? And are you suggesting that because the choice of either dosen't affect either, tehn there is no use in getting a quadro card? Is there any where I can look to see if my old apps need opengl?



Wow I'm definetly in over my head here, I have no diea what you are talking about...are there any sort of write-ups that explain all these basics on video cards, I wasn't able to find any?

If you are unfamiliar with all of the terms, then the best thing would be to start googling. Google "DirectX" and "Open GL", and look at their official sites to see what they are. Go to Nvidias page to read about the Quadros. Go to autodesk's web page to read about 3D Studio Max, and it's recommendations for DirectX, OpenGL, and any other APIs that it might support. Because any text that you read is going to assume that you know these things. Getting into the rendering world isn't exactly something you can just start into, especially if you plan on building your own rig.

And as such, I have a question. You said that you do a lot of rendering in rhino and 3ds max. What are you currently using to do so? If you have the program working on a machine, go through the rendering and scene settings, and you will see a lot of stuff about the APIs there. And if you have the program working, you can actually go into Help in the program, and there is going to be a lot of information available there as well.

Best of luck...
 

Ilikepiedoyou

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thanks for the great advice! Few more questions though, is the only difference between single-link and dual-link DVI connectors the maximum resolutions that they can display? I found some 19" samsung monitors for $170 with 1440 x 900 resolution that I will probably by buying, so that is why I ask about the dvi connectors.

Also I do most of my 3dmax and rhino stuff on the school's computer. I don't know what they have, but now I am pretty curious and will find out.

Also have any of you bought anything open box from newegg? What does this entail?

EDIT: also there seems to be no prefrerence for opengl or directx by 3ds
 

Ilikepiedoyou

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I purchased an nvidia quagro fx1400. I will pair this up with one intels dual core processors. What else should I look for in a mobo besides sli capabilities and pci-e slots spaced decently apart? Are there other things to look for that will aid rendering work?
 

Ilikepiedoyou

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hmm that article was a great read, thanks for posting it, but I didn't seem to find any info on running any of the quadro cards in sli, only the geforce cards. hmmm
 

Ilikepiedoyou

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Boards with 680i chipset are still pretty expensive. Do the 680i make a huge difference in rendering applications, say as oppsoed to an nvidia nforce4 or other slightly lower cost chipsets on an sli mobo??
 

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Just so you know, the modeling, surfacing, and all that is what the graphics card can help. Rendering is pretty much your CPU and your RAM.

Quadros will run SLI, but Quadro SLI is different from Geforce SLI. Quadros in SLI will support multiple monitors, as Geforces in SLI will not. Quadros in SLI probably weren't tested because two of them would be so expensive. Besides, you'd need a model with LOTS of polys to put enough strain on a single Quadro to justify an SLI rig. But it's nice having the ability to expand into that. I have a single PCI-express slot on my mobo because I wanted to save money, but looking back I wish I had that other slot. Now, instead of getting another graphics card like I have for cheap so I can stay caught up AND have dual monitors, I would need to replace my graphics card completely if I wanted to run two monitors with Lightwave.

As for the motherboards, look for their Cinebench scores. The folks that make Cinema 4D made this benchmark to go with it. 3DS Max scores are also fairly widely used in benchmarking. The general rule is find out how your application does, since they are all different. Here is an article that tests the chipset. Since you're getting a dual core processor and will want to use both cores when rendering, give more creedence to the dual-core score.
 

Ilikepiedoyou

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wow thanks for the informative post, Randybob. Interestingly enough, most of those chipsets perform veyr similarly, with not even a 1% difference between the highest and lowest board.
 

Ilikepiedoyou

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ok here is the new budget set up::

I decidedto go with amd to keep costs down even further on a mid range cpu and on the mobo.

processor:

AMD Opteron 1210 Santa Ana 1.8GHz Am2 $171.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819105015

mobo:
BIOSTAR TForce590SLI Deluxe Socket AM2 NVIDIA nForce 590 SLI $179.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813138033

gpu:
nvidia fx1400 sli ( I bought off ebay used) $145

psu:
500w fry's special free after rebate

memory
CORSAIR ValueSelect 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 667 (PC2 5300)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820145098


hard drive:
unknown right now, around 100gs should do

case:
I will lok for a deal


In the future I will buy a second gpu, and better proccessor, more RAM


any advice is welcome!


 
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