Building the Bentley Mulsanne

[Fenixgoon]

Any marginally educated human knows all about mass production & the industrial revolution. But people who chase truth in perspective know both the obvious upsides....AND THE ASTONISHING DOWNSIDES.

You buy into only one part of that equation, you loose.

I, for one, refuse to relinquish the distilled nourishment I find in excellence, in individual human genius, in devotion to and pride in quality. And, every day, I also celebrate the history of computer (and other) technology, and the long chronology, in which mass production was pivotal in making it possible for most humans to own some kinda computer.

I am not exactly alone in chasing truth in PERSPECTIVE, and, I am a huge fan of anyone who does.

As I said in MY INITIAL POST, these vehicles are not my style, but that is beside the point!

to say that there is no pride in mass-production is also misleading.

bentley is not going to have the people, facilities, tooling, supply chain management, and logistics to build cars on the scale that GM, toyota, and VW can.


quite frankly, they're almost apples and oranges. both to be appreciate for what they are.

 

[The Boston Dangler]

No, it's not.

Wherever did you get that idea? It is, and always has been, pronounced "mono-coke."

from a lifetime wasted watching auto racing, where the "-cock' pronunciation is exclusively used by those fluent in english, and often by those with heavy non-english accents.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ul-D5jb0F_U

and from your own link,

mänəˌkōk,-ˌkäk

 

[Virgorising]

Then you, and your alleged friend, are both woefully inept and understanding satire. The fact that the words were a derisive generic descriptor should have tipped you off to the fact that they were not intended to be a direct quote. The reasonable user of an internet forum would know, or have reason to know, that such intentional misquotations are common rhetorical flourishes and would react to them as such.


None of the above is coherent. I am unsurprised.

Nevertheless, the fact remains that the video is little more than advertising fluff dressed up to impress laypersons. It is tripe dressed up with flowery words and musical clichés in a vain attempt to mask its lack of substance.

ZV

All of the above florid desperation speaks corroborating volumes.

What stuns and boggles most...is any human of ANY socio-economic milieu or level of formal education who could ever even THINK, anything produced by PBS was Faustian and commerce driven!

Finis. I have to be awake and uptown in six hours.

 

[The Boston Dangler]

The assumption that care for one's work and dedication to excellence cannot exist in mass production (or, that it must necessarily exist in a higher degree in handcrafted items) is juvenile and smacks of inexperience with the actual process of crafting useful items in the real world.

thus, wonderful british cars that don't work in the rain, and wonderful italian cars that don't work at all.

 

[Zenmervolt]

...who could ever even THINK, anything produced by PBS was Faustian and commerce driven!

This is the funniest, and most naïve, thing I have seen in weeks. :biggrin:

The video was junk. Live with that.

ZV

 

[Zenmervolt]

thus, wonderful british cars that don't work in the rain, and wonderful italian cars that don't work at all.

British cars work just fine as long as you're careful not to let the magic smoke out of the electrical systems.

ZV

 

[halik]

Ehhh....caught it. I can appreciate the work they do, but it was put together in a very boring and outdated style. The Ferrari and Porsche "how it's made" shows on the Science channel were much better.

This. Watched the whole bentley thing, very dumbed down across the board. (OMG sleeved aluminum v8, what a marvel of cutting edge technology. Unibody Monocoque? Wow no one has done that before)

The only thing that I find surprising and kind of idiotic honestly is that they have people hand weld the unibody. Can't imagine how they QA the welds.

 

[halik]

British cars work just fine as long as you're careful not to let the magic smoke out of the electrical systems.

ZV

Meh you can always buy more.

 

[GTaudiophile]

It is a good video about a boring car. I look forward to more episodes of the PBS show regarding more interesting machines.

This video of Jay Leno and visiting McLaren and driving the P1 is more interesting.

 

[Perknose]

from a lifetime wasted watching auto racing, where the "-cock' pronunciation is exclusively used by those fluent in english, and often by those with heavy non-english accents.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ul-D5jb0F_U

and from your own link,

Fluent in English? Lol!

1. Listen to your OWN link. I did. At around 55 seconds,* the guy DOES pronounce it correctly, which is not "cock." Listen!

2. The second listed pronunciation , käk , is NOT pronounced "cock", but is just like the FRENCH guy in your own listed youtube vid pronounces it.

3. For those "fluent in English," listen to the SOLE provided pronunciation by clicking on the icon.

4. Think that one may somehow be off? Try another, Merriam Webster, or anyone you wish. Again, click on the SOLE provided pronunciation of this other source.

5. Ears not working well? Try this from the same source:

Rhymes with Monocoque

artichoke, at a stroke, Bolingbroke, chestnut oak, equivoque, fisherfolk, gentlefolk, go for broke, herrenvolk, hub-and-spoke, masterstroke, ministroke, mourning cloak, okeydoke, poison oak, Roanoke, thunderstroke, turkey oak, water oak, womenfolk

tl;dr You're dead wrong.

* Please, do listen to your OWN provided vid. From around 53 seconds through around 1:50, two different guys say monocoque 4-5 times. Every single time, they pronounce it correctly, "mono-coke." Not once in your example does anyone say "mono-cock." Can you truly not hear it?

 

[PottedMeat]

strangely the only part i thought interesting was the leather upholstery thing. i liked that giant 2D cow hide plotter/scanner/cutter/shape optimizer. i would have thought they would automate the marking choice bits part and have a human review it.

 

[The Boston Dangler]

Fluent in English? Lol!

tl;dr You're dead wrong.

aldo costa is italian, not french. nico rosberg is german/monacan and clearly pronounces "-cock" as does every british, american and australian connected to car racing i have ever seen.

same team, british engineer
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KNntm2jHRg

 

[SOFTengCOMPelec]

No, it's not.

Wherever did you get that idea? It is, and always has been, pronounced "mono-coke."

I'd love to see you get laughed at in a French restaurant trying to order "cock" au vin.

Answer (Both)

In the UK, it seems to be always pronounced as c**k, NOT coke.
Anyone who watches Top Gear (UK) would probably know, they use the word fairly frequently (especially James May).

Again, this generally sites BOTH pronunciations as being correct

 

[Virgorising]

This is the funniest, and most naïve, thing I have seen in weeks. :biggrin:

The video was junk. Live with that.

ZV

Forgive me, but for me, it is all of the above that is naive. Do you actually think anyone PAYS PBS for any episode within this series?

I am pained by both yr cynicism and lack of understanding of the history of the singular and formidable PBS.

 

[Fritzo]

Forgive me, but for me, it is all of the above that is naive. Do you actually think anyone PAYS PBS for any episode within this series?

I am pained by both yr cynicism and lack of understanding of the history of the singular and formidable PBS.

On a side note, is English your first language? Something about the way you write fascinates me.

 

[JulesMaximus]

How did I miss this thread? LULZ abound...

And no, I did not watch the vid.

 

[Virgorising]

I never make promises I do not keep. So, as I promised early this aM when I was keeling over from fatigue, to demonstrate the worthlessness of the differential judgment of a virulent attacked in this thread, in this cased rer what I shared re my experience with such as leather, wood, veneering.....saying happily, despite all of it, I was still stunned at the level of excellent in those things at Bentley......I was, as usual, speaking truth.

So, I chose some items from my cabinetry file, which is huge. (Ikea book shelf MY BUTT.)

I did my original plans/scale drawing, on a manila file folder. Don have to be blue to be a blueprint. I used it ongoing in the long construction......so did it get ratty? Very. thing about proper paper for actual blue prints: it has very high rag content and so, never gets ratty. But what I used served me perfectly.
Putting up my isometric drawing too....not to scale.....and a couple of images of part of the system itself.

Yes, I like color coding.()

Again, I hand veneered every pair of doors, six pairs, with real Carpathian Elm burl raw veneer ---not some peel and stick crap.....I cut it all, BOOKMATCHED IT ALL, used slip sleets and contact cement which permits NO MISTAKES, it is forever the second it makes contact with the underlying wood. I should mention, in the docu, Bentley called what woodworking people in America call bookmatching, "mirroring,"......same thing.

Here is where I got both my Carpathian Elm Burl and where I get my find German wood chisels and related goodies......best place in America, and they ship fast. Totally old school business, been around for EVER:
http://www.constantines.com/

I also used molding I mitered to surround/frame the veneering......that was a must.

I learn and get good at things few others, esp females would even think of doing, and sometimes invent new ways to do it......but I also have perspective and I know my limitations. And that meant I could celebrate the level of excellent in that docu.

Only part of this I hired someone else to do....Cause I did not wanna rent a table saw with a dado head, forget the noise was already upsetting my downstairs neighbor, so big table saw noise esp past dinner time, would have made him SNAP. lol

I also wanna say, i would bet money that most people here posting negative comments are not being honest about what they did not know. Starting with who, precisely we can thank for aluminum block engines.

Here we go....

 

[SOFTengCOMPelec]

I don't want to sound like a total idiot, BUT...

We are on a computer technical forum, within the "car/garage" sub forum, talking about Bentleys, and you are posting lots of woodwork cabinets pictures ?

I am confused.

EDIT: I think I partly understand, now. You are "discussing" wood veneers and stuff, as part of the Bentleys interior.

 

[Virgorising]

I don't want to sound like a total idiot, BUT...

We are on a computer forum, within the "car" sub forum, talking about Bentleys, and you are posting lots of woodwork cabinets pictures ?

I am confused.

Let me mitigate yr confusion: I put up the images just now, first chance I had, in response to an attacker in this thread who, after I again made what is a viable case for all that was impressive in the documentary, shared that I had first hand experience with such as making things out of leather, wood, and ALSO VENEERING. SO that I was blown away by the LEVEL of excellence in all these endeavors at Bentley, meant something.

The desperate, self hating furious gentleman, then posted, O yeah....your bookshelf from Ikea?

I THEN promised to supply visuals, to show I speak truth and come to nothing capriciously. Perhaps you might scroll up and find the posts in question.

Hope this puts an end to your "confusion"....you don't sound like an idiot, you sound simply like someone a bit passive agressive in attack mode.

 

[SOFTengCOMPelec]

Let me mitigate yr confusion: I put up the images jsut njow, in response to an attacker in this thread who, after I agian made what is a viable case for all that was impressive in the documentary, shared that I had first hand experience with such as making things olut of leather, wood, and ALSO VENEERING. SO that I was blown away by the LEVEL of excellece in all these endeavors at Bentley, meant something.

The desperate, self hating furious gentleman, then posted, O yeah....your bookshelf from Ikea?

I THEN promised to supply visuals, to show I speak truth and come to nothing capriciously. Perhaps you might scroll up and find the posts in question.

Hope this puts an end to your "confusion", which barely obfuscates an attack. lol

Thanks for the explanation, it makes sense to me now.

Unfortunately, I don't seem to be able to watch the Video (in the UK), it says ...

We're sorry, but this video is not available in your region due to right restrictions.

A quick scan of youtube, has failed to find it.

EDIT: I can find many, but which one is it, is it this one ?

 

[halik]

I demand more pictures of said furniture!

The RR phantom How It's Made episode is better imo:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldzMVqSgTT4

 

[Perknose]

Ok, so the preferred pronunciation in British English is "cock." What country do you live and speak in? I know my language, which is American English, where it is most definitely pronounced "coke."

Dangler, do you also say "lef-tenant" or "shed-ule"?

 

[Virgorising]

It is a good video about a boring car. I look forward to more episodes of the PBS show regarding more interesting machines.

This video of Jay Leno and visiting McLaren and driving the P1 is more interesting.

One more once: as I said in my original post, they are not to my taste either! Please grow eyes by MARCEL PROUST. This was about worldclass excellence.

 

[Virgorising]

Thanks for the explanation, it makes sense to me now.

Unfortunately, I don't seem to be able to watch the Video (in the UK), it says ...



A quick scan of youtube, has failed to find it.

EDIT: I can find many, but which one is it, is it this one ?

Thank U for having now emerged as not a passive aggressive human, but rather a worthy, elegant human.

When U posted, because of regional issues you could not have the privilege of seeing there there....I remembered many of my clients who are in the UK have said the same when I would link them to anything PBS!!!!

I feel BAD ABOUT THAT.

 

[Perknose]

Did anyone notice that this vid is about the Mulsanne but that at one point they show a Continental being painted?