Building the Bentley Mulsanne

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Zenmervolt

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Forgive me, but for me, it is all of the above that is naive. Do you actually think anyone PAYS PBS for any episode within this series?

I am pained by both yr cynicism and lack of understanding of the history of the singular and formidable PBS.

Since you don't understand, here's how it works. PBS says, "we want to make a documentary about building X." Then PBS contacts the company that builds it and asks for access to their production facilities for filming. The company producing the product then puts conditions upon the grant of access. Conditions like having only that company's personnel talk about the product and restricting what is said about the product.

The only people who ever talked about the Bentley were employees of Bentley. They were not objective observers but rather interested parties with obvious motivation to describe the product only in glowing terms. Bentley sells not cars, but an image and their employees are going to bend the truth as necessary to maintain that image. It is in their interest to do so and if you cannot see that then you need to grow up.

I never make promises I do not keep. So, as I promised early this aM when I was keeling over from fatigue, to demonstrate the worthlessness of the differential judgment of a virulent attacked in this thread, in this cased rer what I shared re my experience with such as leather, wood, veneering.....saying happily, despite all of it, I was still stunned at the level of excellent in those things at Bentley......I was, as usual, speaking truth.

So, I chose some items from my cabinetry file, which is huge. (Ikea book shelf MY BUTT.)

[Irrelevant twaddle removed for brevity.]

I never said anything about your bookshelf. The IKEA reference was to illustrate the fact that veneering is a process used even by the cheapest mass-produced products and is not particularly special. It's merely a way to save money by using a cheap underlying material with the tiniest amount of desirable product layered on over the top. Rather than being a demonstration of "excellence," veneering is a demonstration of cheapness; it's a superficial surface layer to disguise the structural components, nothing more.

Yes, pretty things can be done with veneer, but that doesn't change the fact that the process itself is the same thing used by IKEA to cover up particle board.

I also wanna say, i would bet money that most people here posting negative comments are not being honest about what they did not know. Starting with who, precisely we can thank for aluminum block engines.

You would lose your money.

This is an automotive subforum. People here have immersed themselves in the minutiae of automobiles (and, very often, aeroplanes, boats, and nearly any piece of machinery involving engines) for their entire lives.

And, as I pointed out, aluminum engine parts existed years before W.O. Bentley commissioned a set of aluminum pistons in 1912. He was merely one of many experimenting with the material at the time.

ZV
 

Virgorising

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I must slept through that part. Is Continental made the same way as the Mulsanne? Maybe I can't appreciate good interior or craftsmanship but I didn't find the Continental all that special .

Well! Just strike that Continental off that list of vehicles you were considering! Right click on that puppy and send it to the recycle bin and hit EMPTY!!!!!
 

Virgorising

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And, as I pointed out, aluminum engine parts existed years before W.O. Bentley commissioned a set of aluminum pistons in 1912. He was merely one of many experimenting with the material at the time.

Really they did? Unalloyed so, soft like butta?

Please take yr desperate need to feel like somebody in all the ways which never work... elsewhere. It is alienating, given, in its underpinnings, it continues to erode respect. And respect is earned. As is trust.

One of my BF's best friends holds an important position at Ch 13 here. We spend a day there. Huge privilege, corroborated everything I already knew. U know UGATZ.
 
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Virgorising

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Since you don't understand, here's how it works. PBS says, "we want to make a documentary about building X." Then PBS contacts the company that builds it and asks for access to their production facilities for filming. The company producing the product then puts conditions upon the grant of access. Conditions like having only that company's personnel talk about the product and restricting what is said about the product.

The only people who ever talked about the Bentley were employees of Bentley. They were not objective observers but rather interested parties with obvious motivation to describe the product only in glowing terms. Bentley sells not cars, but an image and their employees are going to bend the truth as necessary to maintain that image. It is in their interest to do so and if you cannot see that then you need to grow up.



I never said anything about your bookshelf. The IKEA reference was to illustrate the fact that veneering is a process used even by the cheapest mass-produced products and is not particularly special. It's merely a way to save money by using a cheap underlying material with the tiniest amount of desirable product layered on over the top. Rather than being a demonstration of "excellence," veneering is a demonstration of cheapness; it's a superficial surface layer to disguise the structural components, nothing more.

Yes, pretty things can be done with veneer, but that doesn't change the fact that the process itself is the same thing used by IKEA to cover up particle board.



You would lose your money.

This is an automotive subforum. People here have immersed themselves in the minutiae of automobiles (and, very often, aeroplanes, boats, and nearly any piece of machinery involving engines) for their entire lives.

And, as I pointed out, aluminum engine parts existed years before W.O. Bentley commissioned a set of aluminum pistons in 1912. He was merely one of many experimenting with the material at the time.

ZV

Exactly! And you struck a hideously wrong note!


Your ear is depressingly conventional. When you get paid for writing (first Seeing), get back to me.
 
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Virgorising

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So...you fancy yourself America's Shakespeare.

Riiight.

Not even close, babe....forget, never once an aspiration. But was I deeply nourished by The Bard's visceral clarity re the human interior from jump? I was. But same is true re many authors.

For me, it's never the circa, never the style, THE GENRE, but rather, on what levels someone experiences things clearly. Same deal with film. Some people (not real intimates), perusing my DVD library comprising almost 500 items, get confused because they fail to see any common denominator.
 
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SOFTengCOMPelec

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Your ear is depressingly conventional. When you get paid for writing (first Seeing), get back to me.

If you can get paid for writing, then good.

But ideally you should be able to switch styles between when writing things which are for money (books?), and when trying to communicate to other people on the internet.
Otherwise you may come across as being hostile/arrogant/annoying/problematic etc.

Example
I say I think you are 99.9999% perfection

You say WHAT, I am 0.0001% horrible/bad/evil/terrible/troubled, WHY YOU SO HORRIBLE TO ME ?

(I have had a poor success rate with examples in this thread, so this may be a bad post).
 
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Perknose

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When you get paid for writing (first Seeing), get back to me.

I have, so I'm getting back to you.

Don't you find it disingenuous that this "documentary" only mentions W.O.'s first use of aluminum pistons and then goes straight to the current Bentley engine, which is a German design having nothing at all to do with W.O.?

Don't you count them glossing over the fact that, for decades under Rolls Royce ownership, Bentleys were badge engineered beasts using cast iron RR power plants, as a failing?

Look, I get your passion for the craftsmanship involved in the body and the interior. But you seem unable to countenance any legitimate criticism of this documentary.

Why?
 

Virgorising

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Most native English speakers wouldn't know the word "abrogation".

Please tell me you are kidding re the above! My God, what kinda humans do you hang out with?

I WOULD NEVER have expected THIS staggering comment from Mr. Deliciously Sardonic!

My heart is now somewhat wounded.
 

Zenmervolt

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And, as I pointed out, aluminum engine parts existed years before W.O. Bentley commissioned a set of aluminum pistons in 1912. He was merely one of many experimenting with the material at the time.

Really they did? Unalloyed so, so soft like butta?

No, not unalloyed. W.O. did not invent aluminum alloys. He experimented with them and created some of his own, but there were others before he came onto the scene. Duralumin, an alloy of aluminum, copper, magnesium, and manganese, was invented in 1903. And non-alloyed aluminum was used with sleeved cylinder liners even before that time.

There are hundreds of different aluminum alloys and there were several that predated W.O.'s work.

Technological advances are seldom truly the work of a single person. That's not how it works. What happens is that dozens, or even hundreds, of people are all working along the same line and who gets to the finish line first is often more dependent upon luck than people would like to admit. W.O. Bentley contributed massively, but was also often in the right place at the right time with the right funding.

When you get paid for writing (first Seeing), get back to me.

I spent three years being paid to write on topical legal issues for other lawyers, and a year being paid to teach other lawyers how to write. Try again.

ZV
 

Zenmervolt

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I have, so I'm getting back to you.

Don't you find it disingenuous that this "documentary" only mentions W.O.'s first use of aluminum pistons and then goes straight to the current Bentley engine, which is a German design having nothing at all to do with W.O.?

Actually, the 6.75 liter engine used in the Bentley Mulsanne is not a German design. It's an evolution of the Rolls Royce L410 which has been in service since 1959.

The engineering work required to bring the engine to its current form is absolutely fascinating. The modern engine is vastly more powerful, much more fuel efficient, and pollutes almost infinitely less than the original 1959 iteration and a show could spend days describing the engineering excellence that went into those achievements. But instead we learned that Bentley uses veneer just like IKEA does.

ZV
 

RedArmy

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I haven't been this entertained since reading a PAB post and the subsequent responses.
 

Virgorising

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If you can get paid for writing, then good.

But ideally you should be able to switch styles between when writing things which are for money (books?), and when trying to communicate to other people on the internet.
Otherwise you may come across as being hostile/arrogant/annoying/problematic etc.

Example
I say I think you are 99.9999% perfection

You say WHAT, I am 0.0001% horrible/bad/evil/terrible/troubled, WHY YOU SO HORRIBLE TO ME ?

(I have had a poor success rate with examples in this thread, so this may be a bad post).

You raise an interesting and important point. I know people of all kinds, all colors, ages, socio-economic groups, nationalities, religions, etc.....it's a precious legacy via both my parents, tho only now am I starting to appreciate that. I also have a good ear and am musical. So, I can communiate in almost any style in almost any milieu via kinesthetics and intutitive, and also because i am not sheltered.

Point, is, the humbling, ongoing journey to unearth, gestate and manifest yr unique core identity in all its complecity, is one I observe think about and write about as well. And to me, it is the real work and privilege of life.

I now see in retrospect, sometimes what I would sacrifice using those chops to fit in anywhere to win the approval within many milieus I have, marked an early part of my journey.

Even in HS, where I already took being an A student for granted, it was more important to me to be both the sorority girl and the cheerleader and the cutest girl on the block.

Bottom line---the Bard, no small irony: to thine own self be true. Any moron can discern and capitulate to the shoulds and oughts of any narrow milieu, but at what price?

Re social media: I still have my Twitter account, but rarely use it......but it is via that unwitting, subtle, ongoing capitulation, the standards of a given society become eroded and we sink into a new, diminished normal with diminished expectations.

Again, you raised a very fascinating, very important issue!!
 

Perknose

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...it was more important to me to be both the sorority girl and the cheerleader and the cutest girl on the block.

We shall be requiring pictorial documentation on this count. Don't be shy, post a pic or two!
 

ponyo

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Well! Just strike that Continental off that list of vehicles you were considering! Right click on that puppy and send it to the recycle bin and hit EMPTY!!!!!

Bentley Continental is not a car I would consider even if I could easily afford it. I drove it once and it was enough. I don't care for its styling and I'm not really a dash stroker. My cousin bought one last year and sold it after only about 4-5 months. He didn't really care for it either. He replaced it with BMW 7 series and Maserati GranTurismo convertible. He said he likes the 7 series more than the Bentley.
 

Eureka

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Bentley Continental is not a car I would consider even if I could easily afford it. I drove it once and it was enough. I don't care for its styling and I'm not really a dash stroker. My cousin bought one last year and sold it after only about 4-5 months. He didn't really care for it either. He replaced it with BMW 7 series and Maserati GranTurismo convertible. He said he likes the 7 series more than the Bentley.

They're cars for people who don't really like cars. What do you expect?

The lack of continuity in his posts is painful. And if he gets paid for writing text like that.... good god.

It's a she.
 

SOFTengCOMPelec

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He/she/it is a troll. But sometimes it's fun to have a punching bag.

ZV

How certain are you, that they are a troll ?

Is it more of difficulties with communicating across the internet, and an eccentric writing style ?

Rather than any malicious or attention seeking behaviour ?

N.B. I DON'T consider myself particularly good at recognising internet trolls.
Sometimes the mod(s) have identified someone as such, and locked the thread, and said comments. And it has not always been obvious to me why.

But to be 100% clear here, I blame myself for not being too brilliant at recognising such (trolling) activities, unless it is VERY obvious.
 

Virgorising

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No, not unalloyed. W.O. did not invent aluminum alloys. He experimented with them and created some of his own, but there were others before he came onto the scene. Duralumin, an alloy of aluminum, copper, magnesium, and manganese, was invented in 1903. And non-alloyed aluminum was used with sleeved cylinder liners even before that time.

There are hundreds of different aluminum alloys and there were several that predated W.O.'s work.

Technological advances are seldom truly the work of a single person. That's not how it works. What happens is that dozens, or even hundreds, of people are all working along the same line and who gets to the finish line first is often more dependent upon luck than people would like to admit. W.O. Bentley contributed massively, but was also often in the right place at the right time with the right funding.



I spent three years being paid to write on topical legal issues for other lawyers, and a year being paid to teach other lawyers how to write. Try again.

ZV


Writing legal briefs, case law delineation and anything related, inherently
arcane and without a pulse or eros/music of any species. There are good reasons people hold legal speak in such contempt.

Relatedly, writing in AMA speak re medical peer review journals also takes no real talent. Clinical stuff never does. Simple protocols to learn.
 

Perknose

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Writing legal briefs, case law delineation and anything related, inherently
arcane and without a pulse or eros/music of any species. There are good reasons people hold legal speak in such contempt.

Relatedly, writing in AMA speak re medical peer review journals also takes no real talent. Clinical stuff never does. Simple protocols to learn.

What do you write that you have been paid for? Also, since a picture is worth a thousand words, please post a pic of you writing!
 
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