Bulldozer Review! Legit?

[grimpr]

And i thought we had 3 days before Nemesis strikes again.

 

[aigomorla]

Really / What trolls you speaking about . The ones who told ya in Dec . BDs true speed . Or the ones who make believe . I haven't seen them go away . I see trinity name being thrown around . Again by people who have zero access to the cpus . This think is ugly and when IVY bridge is released it gets uglier still .

no because u wont see an intel rep, or anyone with a ES cpu, get invalided by the vendor saying... BAD BIOS.. or BAD STEPPING.

Instead they will go OOPS, new stepping to hit retail channels which will make you happy, and not Invalidate everything that was already presented.

Exactly like what happened when i previewed gulftown.

You didnt see anyone come in and smash that thread saying it was fake.. or i made up numbers.

 

[RussianSensation]

<--- long live the X6! <--- im dead serious about this statement.

In a matter of 1 month, we went from 8-core FX-8150 delivering Core i7-980/990X performance for $800 less ---> 8-core FX-8150 will have IPC of Nehalem beating SB in multi-threaded apps and at least as good in single-threaded apps (due to Turbo making up the difference) --> 8-core FX-8150 with IPC better than Phenom II, still beating SB in multi-threaded apps but now losing in single-threaded apps --> 8-core FX8150 slower than 2600k in everything but x264 benches --> 8-core FX8150 not any better than X6 1090/1100T. . . . :'(

 

[Nemesis 1]

Ok Aig . I following ya . Ya the next stepping thing already was started 2 months back . They aren't as good as IB in improvements . enough said

 

[piesquared]

In a matter of 1 month, we went from 8-core FX-8150 delivering Core i7-980/990X performance for $800 less ---> 8-core FX-8150 will have IPC of Nehalem beating SB in multi-threaded apps and at least as good in single-threaded apps (due to Turbo making up the difference) --> 8-core FX-8150 with IPC better than Phenom II, still beating SB in multi-threaded apps but now losing in single-threaded apps --> 8-core FX8150 slower than 2600k in everything but x264 benches --> 8-core FX8150 not any better than X6 1090/1100T. . . . :'(

Really / What trolls you speaking about . The ones who told ya in Dec . BDs true speed . Or the ones who make believe . I haven't seen them go away . I see trinity name being thrown around . Again by people who have zero access to the cpus . This thing is ugly and when IVY bridge is released it gets uglier still .

notice how the TROLLS are no longer on the forum?
They have nothing to hide behind now...



So u guys still think i was lying all this time?


<--- long live the X6! <--- im dead serious about this statement.

Looks like there is at least 3 left...

 

[CHADBOGA]

Looks like there is at least 3 left...

Just because someone isn't a blind worshipper of AMD, doesn't make them a troll.

I see some of our well-intentioned members of the community need a kind reminder of the Sticky regarding personal attacks and baiting.

Gonna be sad if you guys get vacationed while BD is released...

Idontcare
Super Mod

 

[aigomorla]

Looks like there is at least 3 left...

im sorry do you see me pitting a 1000 dollar processor against one that is 200 dollars... then try to feed the people reading the forum, the 200 dollar processor can almost perform as well as the 1000 dollar processor, and hence make the 200 dollar processor more appealing?

Then followed by benchmarks which shows this isnt true... it cant even keep up with the 300 dollar intel processor, and then shout foul at everyone, saying something is wrong with a beta bios, or the sample the review source got isnt accurate... only to be slapped in the face with a bunch of other tests which SHOW THE EXACT SAME THING?

If anything the entire bulldozer launch made me biased on AMD.
The people coming in spilling absolutely nonsense... trying to shift the cpu in a niche which it doesnt belong.

If you have the budget for a 1000 dollar cpu, then obviously you arent looking at AMD, unless its a MagoC.

So whose the troll?

 

[piesquared]

Just because someone isn't a blind worshipper of AMD, doesn't make them a troll.

Just because a tomatoe is red doesn't mean square volkswagons have 5 toes. WTF are you talking about Captain obvious? Perhaps you could tell the class the requirments for being a troll, as you surely know better than anyone.


I see some of our well-intentioned members of the community need a kind reminder of the Sticky regarding personal attacks and baiting.

Gonna be sad if you guys get vacationed while BD is released...

Idontcare
Super Mod

 

[piesquared]

im sorry do you see me pitting a 1000 dollar processor against one that is 200 dollars... then try to feed the people reading the forum, the 200 dollar processor can almost perform as well as the 1000 dollar processor, and hence make the 200 dollar processor more appealing?

Then followed by benchmarks which shows this isnt true... it cant even keep up with the 300 dollar intel processor, and then shout foul at everyone, saying something is wrong with a beta bios, or the sample the review source got isnt accurate... only to be slapped in the face with a bunch of other tests which SHOW THE EXACT SAME THING?

If anything the entire bulldozer launch made me biased on AMD.
The people coming in spilling absolutely nonsense... trying to shift the cpu in a niche which it doesnt belong.

If you have the budget for a 1000 dollar cpu, then obviously you arent looking at AMD, unless its a MagoC.

So whose the troll?

Know, I see you intentionally trying to sway public opinion of a product that has not been released, or NDA lifted.

 

[arky33]

Didn't somebody just post pictures of an actual BD he had or am I completely crazy? The pics seem to have been removed now..

 

[sequoia464]

Didn't somebody just post pictures of an actual BD he had or am I completely crazy? The pics seem to have been removed now..

They are over here ... http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=32390067&postcount=192

 

[RussianSensation]

Know, I see you intentionally trying to sway public opinion of a product that has not been released, or NDA lifted.

Aigo is not comparing apples and oranges. He is instead saying it makes no sense to compare the FX8150 to the 980/990X as AMD has done in their slides by proposing to save $800 on the 990X when FX-8150 is "just as good". Somehow AMD missed the part that Intel also sells 2500k/2600k CPUs for $220-315. Also, he is questioning how anyone expected a $200-300 AMD CPU to be as good as Intel's $1000 CPU in multi-threaded apps in which the 990X shines. All of these are logical comments and have nothing to do with 'trolling'.

Trust me when I say this, if Intel released an 8-core CPU that was 5 years in the making, had IPC similar to Core 2 Duo, and was hyped up for 9 months to supposedly revolutionize price/performance arena, but in reality couldn't convincingly beat a 3 year old 4-core Nehalem, we also would have deemed it a disappointment. And not even the "Extreme Edition" moniker would have saved it from public lashings.

 

[Riek]

Aigo is not comparing apples and oranges. He is instead saying it makes no sense to compare the FX8150 to the 980/990X as AMD has done in their slides by proposing to save $800 on the 990X when FX-8150 is "just as good". Somehow AMD missed the part that Intel also sells 2500k/2600k CPUs for $220-315. Also, he is questioning how anyone expected a $200-300 AMD CPU to be as good as Intel's $1000 CPU in multi-threaded apps in which the 990X shines. All of these are logical comments and have nothing to do with 'trolling'.

Trust me when I say this, if Intel released an 8-core CPU that was 5 years in the making, had IPC similar to Core 2 Duo, and was hyped up for 9 months to supposedly revolutionize price/performance arena, but in reality couldn't convincingly beat a 3 year old 4-core Nehalem, we also would have deemed it a disappointment. And not even the "Extreme Edition" moniker would have saved it from public lashings.

Does it really matter how the slides were made or positionned against? If the current results are correct (which reliably sources claim) ipc won't be better than Ph2... and the clock advantage brings it up to par with.... ph2... (not with lower SB models as we expected) which means it should be slower then any high end cpu that is faster than x6 1100T... Which is basically every 6core from intel, every sandybridge above the i5 2400.

At this point they should have tested again the 2100T or some mobile i7 to have competitive numbers... Which wouldn't be great marketing either.

 

[Abwx]

which means it should be slower then any high end cpu that is faster than x6 1100T... Which is basically every 6core from intel, every sandybridge above the i5 2400.

Above a 2500K, wich is a CPU slower than a 1100T in MT....

That is , 2600K and expensive 6 cores 99X....

 

[NostaSeronx]

im sorry do you see me pitting a 1000 dollar processor against one that is 200 dollars... then try to feed the people reading the forum, the 200 dollar processor can almost perform as well as the 1000 dollar processor, and hence make the 200 dollar processor more appealing?

Oh excuse me when I compare to two K10.5 Quad-cores @ $1165 price at introduction

*image removed*

:hmm: Till we get FX-8120 can't tell really

with Thuban included

Passmark being a MT test it should be as fast as a 8 core Phenom II weird

:hmm:

 

[pman6]

So it's basically like an 8-core Phenom...except worse.

call it phenom v.2. they did squeeze in 2 more cores in the same 125watt package.

 

[zlejedi]

Aigo is not comparing apples and oranges. He is instead saying it makes no sense to compare the FX8150 to the 980/990X as AMD has done in their slides by proposing to save $800 on the 990X when FX-8150 is "just as good". Somehow AMD missed the part that Intel also sells 2500k/2600k CPUs for $220-315. Also, he is questioning how anyone expected a $200-300 AMD CPU to be as good as Intel's $1000 CPU in multi-threaded apps in which the 990X shines. All of these are logical comments and have nothing to do with 'trolling'.

Trust me when I say this, if Intel released an 8-core CPU that was 5 years in the making, had IPC similar to Core 2 Duo, and was hyped up for 9 months to supposedly revolutionize price/performance arena, but in reality couldn't convincingly beat a 3 year old 4-core Nehalem, we also would have deemed it a disappointment. And not even the "Extreme Edition" moniker would have saved it from public lashings.

That's the basics of marketing. You are comparing against weakest competitor product and showing only data which put you in best possible light.

Hence why anyone with a little bit of knowledge could already say BD will be turd after AMD compared it to 990X in gaming at GPU bound test scenario and against unknown i5 in MT benchmarks.

 

[lOl_lol_lOl]

One question looms, why did the mobo manufacturers invest so heavily in the 990X platform? They must have received some indication of BD performance before all the Crosshair, UD-Xs and Fatality?

What about the '50&#37; better performance than Phenom' AMD was talking about? How did that come about?

 

[zlejedi]

Why wouldn't they?
We had ultra high end mobos for phenom I and phenom II too and someone was buying them.

 

[OBLAMA2009]

i heard amd is going to release a low performing chip out of respect for steve jobs

 

[Crap Daddy]

The trick with AMD being bang for buck seem to evaporate now since a chip at 250$ which performs more or less like a Thuban at 180$ and needs a powerful board to supply the Watts for OC - at an expense - is just bad. From what we see it's far inferior to the 2600K and I'm curious how it performs against the 2500K, 200$ and easily overclockable on much cheaper boards than the 990X crosshairs.

 

[aphelion02]

i heard amd is going to release a low performing chip out of respect for steve jobs

Lol, :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

 

[Riek]

Oh excuse me when I compare to two K10.5 Quad-cores @ $1165 price at introduction

*image removed*

:hmm: Till we get FX-8120 can't tell really

with Thuban included

Passmark being a MT test it should be as fast as a 8 core Phenom II weird

:hmm:

Why is FX8 in passmark so much faster than X6 1100T while in the reviews you can't scratch your ass with the difference between the two? (highly overclocked model i would assume?)

passmark differences:
integer: +81&#37;
floating point: +11.5%
find prime numbers: +58.6%
SSE: +24%
Compression: +64%
Encryption: +5%
Physics: +35%
Strin sorting: +43,5%

 

[LOL_Wut_Axel]

In a matter of 1 month, we went from 8-core FX-8150 delivering Core i7-980/990X performance for $800 less ---> 8-core FX-8150 will have IPC of Nehalem beating SB in multi-threaded apps and at least as good in single-threaded apps (due to Turbo making up the difference) --> 8-core FX-8150 with IPC better than Phenom II, still beating SB in multi-threaded apps but now losing in single-threaded apps --> 8-core FX8150 slower than 2600k in everything but x264 benches --> 8-core FX8150 not any better than X6 1090/1100T. . . . :'(

LOL. Ever since I saw the $200-250 price I said there was no chance it was gonna match Gulftown. If it was $300-320, I think it could.

I still think the FX-8120 will be ~10&#37; faster than the i5-2500K in multi-threaded and about 25-30% slower in single-threaded, but only a 5-10% increase in IPC. In other words, Sandy Bridge would still be much better overall.

 

[NostaSeronx]

Why is FX8 in passmark so much faster than X6 1100T while in the reviews you can't scratch your ass with the difference between the two? (highly overclocked model i would assume?)

*shrug*