Bush and Global Warming.

VIAN

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I love this. I read in the Star Ledger today:

Bush doesn't want to adopt a Reduced Emissions Policy because he doesn't want Americans to lose a single job.

Bush encourages outsourcing.

Cool, I'm Diamond.
 
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Originally posted by: VIAN
I love this. I read in the Star Ledger today:

Bush doesn't want to adopt a Reduced Emissions Policy because he doesn't want Americans to lose a single job.

Bush encourages outsourcing.

Cool, I'm Diamond.

What a liar!

The truth:
Bush doesn't want to adopt a Reduced Emissions Policy because he doesn't want Corporations to spend money on the environment thus reducing profits.

EDIT: Oh proof... I'm not asleep right now. All you have to do is look at his perosnal history and sentiment toward s the environment. Proof in point is right on his re-election web page:
Improving Our Environment & Meeting Our Energy Needs

Initiate Environmentally Safe Exploration: President Bush will seek to promote environmentally sound domestic oil production in just one percent of Arctic National Wildlife Refuge, which could provide up to 1 million barrels of oil a day for nearly 20 years.
 

VIAN

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Go buy a Star Ledger.

It says the 300 US scientists say that the temperature of seas is rising and that the earth is getting hotter - results of a 4 year study. Bush doesn't care because it would cost money and 5million jobs.

Although that is a very significant number, he better find someway around it. Global warming needs to be addressed.

So, I cannot provide a link to a physical newspaper. And right now I don't have the time. The point is that Bush is lying through his TEETH, either that or he's more of a bafoon than Kerry was.
 

cwjerome

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But in the late 70s it was global cooling. But in the late 60s it was overpopulation.

It's all politics....

Push a crisis and move your agenda.
 

chess9

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This isn't a moral issue. It's a tree-hugging, bicycle riding liberal issue. These liberals will ruin this country if we let them. More posts like this and our steel mills will be shutting down and jobs will be going overseas.

Yet another near-sighted whack job for the left. What happened to all the real Americans?

Our air is pure, our rivers are clean, our cars are good for us, and God loves America! If you can't breathe carbon monoxide and the other life friendly chemicals like hydrocarbons and nitrogen oxides, then you haven't adapted and it's time to order your burial plot. Or, maybe France will take you....

-Robert
 

Steeplerot

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Originally posted by: chess9
This isn't a moral issue. It's a tree-hugging, bicycle riding liberal issue. These liberals will ruin this country if we let them. More posts like this and our steel mills will be shutting down and jobs will be going overseas.

Yet another near-sighted whack job for the left. What happened to all the real Americans?

Our air is pure, our rivers are clean, our cars are good for us, and God loves America! If you can't breathe carbon monoxide and the other life friendly chemicals like hydrocarbons and nitrogen oxides, then you haven't adapted and it's time to order your burial plot. Or, maybe France will take you....

-Robert

Wow extra chips on this ne
 

Engineer

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Originally posted by: cwjerome
But in the late 70s it was global cooling. But in the late 60s it was overpopulation.

It's all politics....

Push a crisis and move your agenda.

Very true....Terrorism of the 2000's.

Never really thought about it...but push a crisis and it does work...
 

klah

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Originally posted by: VIAN

Bush doesn't care because it would cost money and 5million jobs.

The Senate ratifies treaties, I repeat, The Senate ratifies treaties.

Read the Byrd(D) Resolution from the 105th Congress.

http://thomas.loc.gov
Sres 98

In case you forgot, it passed 95-0.

The U.S. Senate will not ratify any treaty signed at Kyoto that:

* Would impose binding limits on the industrialized nations but not on developing nations within the same compliance period.

* "Would result in serious economic harm to the economy of the United States."

Must have been those 95 goddamn neocon Senators.

 

StageLeft

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Sep 29, 2000
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Originally posted by: cwjerome
But in the late 70s it was global cooling. But in the late 60s it was overpopulation.

It's all politics....

Push a crisis and move your agenda.
So, because somebody was wrong crying wolf before, there's never a wolf? What a terribly comfortable way of looking at the world. The consensus among scientists across the planet is that we are negatively affecting our environment.

 

Squisher

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Originally posted by: Skoorb
Originally posted by: cwjerome
But in the late 70s it was global cooling. But in the late 60s it was overpopulation.

It's all politics....

Push a crisis and move your agenda.
So, because somebody was wrong crying wolf before, there's never a wolf? What a terribly comfortable way of looking at the world. The consensus among scientists across the planet is that we are negatively affecting our environment.
And, the consensus among climatologists is that we don't know what is effecting the climate change.

Amazing how you can skew the result when you speak to a bunch of people with no direct knowledge of a topic.



It is human nature to personalize those things going on around us even if events have noting to do with humans.

World wide climates have changed before. Care to tell us why.



 

StageLeft

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Originally posted by: Squisher
Originally posted by: Skoorb
Originally posted by: cwjerome
But in the late 70s it was global cooling. But in the late 60s it was overpopulation.

It's all politics....

Push a crisis and move your agenda.
So, because somebody was wrong crying wolf before, there's never a wolf? What a terribly comfortable way of looking at the world. The consensus among scientists across the planet is that we are negatively affecting our environment.
And, the consensus among climatologists is that we don't know what is effecting the climate change.

Amazing how you can skew the result when you speak to a bunch of people with no direct knowledge of a topic.



It is human nature to personalize those things going on around us even if events have noting to do with humans.

World wide climates have changed before. Care to tell us why.
Yes, you're right. Humans are totally unable to affect change in the environment they live in. They can't create acid rain, can't kill rain forests, can't create smog in cities, can't pollute rivers. Let's all run amuck!

"Skewing", "personalizing", you're clearly being too patronizing to have a real interest in the answer, so my answer above is all you'll get

 
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Originally posted by: Skoorb
Originally posted by: cwjerome
But in the late 70s it was global cooling. But in the late 60s it was overpopulation.

It's all politics....

Push a crisis and move your agenda.
So, because somebody was wrong crying wolf before, there's never a wolf? What a terribly comfortable way of looking at the world. The consensus among scientists across the planet is that we are negatively affecting our environment.

I was under the impression that the debate is how much humans alter the environment.
 

StageLeft

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Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
Originally posted by: Skoorb
Originally posted by: cwjerome
But in the late 70s it was global cooling. But in the late 60s it was overpopulation.

It's all politics....

Push a crisis and move your agenda.
So, because somebody was wrong crying wolf before, there's never a wolf? What a terribly comfortable way of looking at the world. The consensus among scientists across the planet is that we are negatively affecting our environment.

I was under the impression that the debate is how much humans alter the environment.
we != humans?



This on CNN today
The report mainly blames the melt on gases from fossil fuels burned in cars, factories and power plants.
Oops!

I'll note with tragic irony that this is one of those topics where people frequently brush aside the scientists. "What do they know?", and on the other hand "If we screw the environment up, our scientists can fix it." How can they be incompetent and so powerful at the same time?

If a group of experts' thinking is greatly in line, chances are the lay person would benefit from listening to them.
 

ReiAyanami

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last time we ignored a problem for a long time it turned into a much larger giant hole. more specifically the hole in the ozone layer. australia's skin cancer rates skyrocketed 25% in a single decade to the point where children are no longer allowed to play on playgrounds unless they are fully covered.

it took decades to realize CFCs destroyed O3 at a ratio of 10,000:1 via catalytic reaction. the antarctic penguins took the brunt of it with 90% population decimations in some areas (because radiation killed their food source). them and a whole lot of australians

of course we ignore this case example because australia is no where near america. fortress america is invincible to ozone holes, communism, globular warming, and impending ice ages

since climatologists are saying 4 major hurricanes hitting florida in one season may simply be natural from now on, i can't suggest that it is evidence of global warming

but what i do know is that global warming = warmer water = stronger and more frequent hurricanes

don't let global warming become the next ozone hole. act before its too late, or act early?
 

ReiAyanami

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burning 1 trillion gallons of anything is sure to have an effect on the environment. the carbon sink of the ocean won't last forever.
 
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