Again. With what is he going to evacuate 100,000 people spread all over the city? Go ahead, genius. Give us the plan.
Again. With what is he going to evacuate 100,000 people spread all over the city? Go ahead, genius. Give us the plan.Originally posted by: Genx87
That is a lie. The mayor when they found out the Cat 5 cane was bearing down on the city should have evacuated the entire city using whatever means necessary. Instead they order a half-ass evacuation 36 hours before the storm hits. The govenor when Bush declared a state of emergency should have called up National Guard troops to deal with the situation before the storm hit, not after.
There is plenty of blame to go around but only a partisan hack like yourself could delude yourself into thinking it resides 100% in the white house.
Originally posted by: conjur
Again. With what is he going to evacuate 100,000 people spread all over the city? Go ahead, genius. Give us the plan.Originally posted by: Genx87
That is a lie. The mayor when they found out the Cat 5 cane was bearing down on the city should have evacuated the entire city using whatever means necessary. Instead they order a half-ass evacuation 36 hours before the storm hits. The govenor when Bush declared a state of emergency should have called up National Guard troops to deal with the situation before the storm hit, not after.
There is plenty of blame to go around but only a partisan hack like yourself could delude yourself into thinking it resides 100% in the white house.
It's not GenX87's responsibility to have a plan, it was Nagin, who knew long previously that his evacuation plans were deficient and did nothing to address the problem.Originally posted by: conjur
Again. With what is he going to evacuate 100,000 people spread all over the city? Go ahead, genius. Give us the plan.Originally posted by: Genx87
That is a lie. The mayor when they found out the Cat 5 cane was bearing down on the city should have evacuated the entire city using whatever means necessary. Instead they order a half-ass evacuation 36 hours before the storm hits. The govenor when Bush declared a state of emergency should have called up National Guard troops to deal with the situation before the storm hit, not after.
There is plenty of blame to go around but only a partisan hack like yourself could delude yourself into thinking it resides 100% in the white house.
Originally posted by: Genx87
That is a lie. The mayor when they found out the Cat 5 cane was bearing down on the city should have evacuated the entire city using whatever means necessary. Instead they order a half-ass evacuation 36 hours before the storm hits. The govenor when Bush declared a state of emergency should have called up National Guard troops to deal with the situation before the storm hit, not after.
There is plenty of blame to go around but only a partisan hack like yourself could delude yourself into thinking it resides 100% in the white house.
Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: Genx87
That is a lie. The mayor when they found out the Cat 5 cane was bearing down on the city should have evacuated the entire city using whatever means necessary. Instead they order a half-ass evacuation 36 hours before the storm hits. The govenor when Bush declared a state of emergency should have called up National Guard troops to deal with the situation before the storm hit, not after.
There is plenty of blame to go around but only a partisan hack like yourself could delude yourself into thinking it resides 100% in the white house.
The buck stops there.
Yeah. conjur wants to pretend those issues don't exist because if he ignores them they aren't real.Originally posted by: FuzzyBee
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
It's been discussed in many other threads (taking a cue from a conjur response) and you've either neglected addressing the questions or have made apologies, or have tried your typical 'It's Bush's fault, look over here instead' diversions.Originally posted by: conjur
How was Nagin horrid? How was Blanco slow? You've yet to show one single shred of evidence that those at the local level didn't do more than were capable of doing.
You shown a letter from Blanco requesting that Bush declare an emergency in Louisiana on Aug 27 and somehow forgot to note that Bush DID declare an emergency situation in Louisiana on Aug 27.
You fail to ask why Blanco and nagin did not fix an evacuation plan that failed them the year previous during Ivan and was criticized publicly for being ineffective and was noted by both Nagin and Blanco that it was substandard and changes were necessary.
You ignore to address why Nagin and Blanco took so long to declare a mandatory evacuation, and you fail to note that Bush had to urge Blanco to declare such an evacuation.
You fail to address why Nagin did not follow the disaster preparedness/response plan for New Orleans.
You fail to address why Nagin didn't keep better control of his police. Has anyone heard a peep from the police chief, or did Nagin already send him on the trip to Vegas?
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Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Yeah. conjur wants to pretend those issues don't exist because if he ignores them they aren't real.Originally posted by: FuzzyBee
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
It's been discussed in many other threads (taking a cue from a conjur response) and you've either neglected addressing the questions or have made apologies, or have tried your typical 'It's Bush's fault, look over here instead' diversions.Originally posted by: conjur
How was Nagin horrid? How was Blanco slow? You've yet to show one single shred of evidence that those at the local level didn't do more than were capable of doing.
You shown a letter from Blanco requesting that Bush declare an emergency in Louisiana on Aug 27 and somehow forgot to note that Bush DID declare an emergency situation in Louisiana on Aug 27.
You fail to ask why Blanco and nagin did not fix an evacuation plan that failed them the year previous during Ivan and was criticized publicly for being ineffective and was noted by both Nagin and Blanco that it was substandard and changes were necessary.
You ignore to address why Nagin and Blanco took so long to declare a mandatory evacuation, and you fail to note that Bush had to urge Blanco to declare such an evacuation.
You fail to address why Nagin did not follow the disaster preparedness/response plan for New Orleans.
You fail to address why Nagin didn't keep better control of his police. Has anyone heard a peep from the police chief, or did Nagin already send him on the trip to Vegas?
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Do you actually believe that anyone with an ounce of common sense takes what he has to asay any more seriously than what you have to say? When I see onhe of his posts I know it's going to be a Bush Bashing one and when I see one of your posts I know it's going to be an Bush Defrense post. To read one of your guys posts is to read them all. Same sh!t, different day!Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Yeah. conjur wants to pretend those issues don't exist because if he ignores them they aren't real.Originally posted by: FuzzyBee
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
It's been discussed in many other threads (taking a cue from a conjur response) and you've either neglected addressing the questions or have made apologies, or have tried your typical 'It's Bush's fault, look over here instead' diversions.Originally posted by: conjur
How was Nagin horrid? How was Blanco slow? You've yet to show one single shred of evidence that those at the local level didn't do more than were capable of doing.
You shown a letter from Blanco requesting that Bush declare an emergency in Louisiana on Aug 27 and somehow forgot to note that Bush DID declare an emergency situation in Louisiana on Aug 27.
You fail to ask why Blanco and nagin did not fix an evacuation plan that failed them the year previous during Ivan and was criticized publicly for being ineffective and was noted by both Nagin and Blanco that it was substandard and changes were necessary.
You ignore to address why Nagin and Blanco took so long to declare a mandatory evacuation, and you fail to note that Bush had to urge Blanco to declare such an evacuation.
You fail to address why Nagin did not follow the disaster preparedness/response plan for New Orleans.
You fail to address why Nagin didn't keep better control of his police. Has anyone heard a peep from the police chief, or did Nagin already send him on the trip to Vegas?
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Originally posted by: BBond
There is absolutely NO EXCUSE that could possibly exist for the federal government to take five days to respond to Hurricane Katrina. They did absolutely NOTHING for five days. We all saw it play out live ON TV. People were begging for help day after day after day after day after day that DID NOT ARRIVE.
How many lives could have been saved? The first seventy-two hours are critical. Bush took one hundred and twenty hours before the first bottle of water was sent. FEMA TURNED AWAY AID AND AID WORKERS WHO COULD HAVE EVACUATED THE SICK AND ELDERLY AND PROVIDED WATER AND FOOD FOR OTHERS.
WTF IS THAT???
Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Yeah. conjur wants to pretend those issues don't exist because if he ignores them they aren't real.Originally posted by: FuzzyBee
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
It's been discussed in many other threads (taking a cue from a conjur response) and you've either neglected addressing the questions or have made apologies, or have tried your typical 'It's Bush's fault, look over here instead' diversions.Originally posted by: conjur
How was Nagin horrid? How was Blanco slow? You've yet to show one single shred of evidence that those at the local level didn't do more than were capable of doing.
You shown a letter from Blanco requesting that Bush declare an emergency in Louisiana on Aug 27 and somehow forgot to note that Bush DID declare an emergency situation in Louisiana on Aug 27.
You fail to ask why Blanco and nagin did not fix an evacuation plan that failed them the year previous during Ivan and was criticized publicly for being ineffective and was noted by both Nagin and Blanco that it was substandard and changes were necessary.
You ignore to address why Nagin and Blanco took so long to declare a mandatory evacuation, and you fail to note that Bush had to urge Blanco to declare such an evacuation.
You fail to address why Nagin did not follow the disaster preparedness/response plan for New Orleans.
You fail to address why Nagin didn't keep better control of his police. Has anyone heard a peep from the police chief, or did Nagin already send him on the trip to Vegas?
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Yawn. All those issues have been addressed. Contact your congressmen and ask for an independant investigation if you are so confident of where the majority of the blame lies. That's what I'm doing. They can straighten this mess out much better then we can. I'll bet they can even drag it out to the elections next year...ya think??
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What school buses? How fast is Greyhound going to get buses to the city and who's going to pay them for the loss of service otherwise? Come on, Genx87. Let's hear a PLAN, not talking points.Originally posted by: Genx87
School buses, call greyhound, how are they doing it now? If Florida has no problem evacuating cities then why the complete cluelessness of Louisiana?Originally posted by: conjur
Again. With what is he going to evacuate 100,000 people spread all over the city? Go ahead, genius. Give us the plan.Originally posted by: Genx87
That is a lie. The mayor when they found out the Cat 5 cane was bearing down on the city should have evacuated the entire city using whatever means necessary. Instead they order a half-ass evacuation 36 hours before the storm hits. The govenor when Bush declared a state of emergency should have called up National Guard troops to deal with the situation before the storm hit, not after.
There is plenty of blame to go around but only a partisan hack like yourself could delude yourself into thinking it resides 100% in the white house.
Guess what? They all have their own cars! Hmm...don't see the difference between people dispersing to their own cars and having to line up to board buses? Have you not been paying attention the last week? Did you not see how long it took to evacuate just 30,000?100,000 may sound like a lot of people but considering on any given night that superdome could house 70,000 people and it takes them probably 2-4 hours to vacate the city.
Obviously the local plan was either a joke or not enforced enough to get people to move. I was listening to the radio and a guy from the weather channel was filming Bourbon street on Sunday morning and it was a party. That leads me to believe the local evac plan was a joke and not enforced at all. This falls right on the shoulders of the local govt for failing to evacuate the city properly before a storm everybody knew would breach the Levee did.
There is no excuse if planned correctly then implemented why they couldnt have got those 100,000 out even in those short 36 hours before the storm hit landfall.
But I see where this mayors head is, sending cops to Vegas instead of continuing the rescue effort.
Originally posted by: conjur
Don't bother replying to the trolls. TLC is a cartoon and is not worth even reading.
Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: BBond
There is absolutely NO EXCUSE that could possibly exist for the federal government to take five days to respond to Hurricane Katrina. They did absolutely NOTHING for five days. We all saw it play out live ON TV. People were begging for help day after day after day after day after day that DID NOT ARRIVE.
How many lives could have been saved? The first seventy-two hours are critical. Bush took one hundred and twenty hours before the first bottle of water was sent. FEMA TURNED AWAY AID AND AID WORKERS WHO COULD HAVE EVACUATED THE SICK AND ELDERLY AND PROVIDED WATER AND FOOD FOR OTHERS.
WTF IS THAT???
That is a bunch of hysterical dram queen crap and you know it. They didnt send anything into the area until day 5 eh? This assumption on your part doesnt surprise me. you are the same person who think N.Korean nuclear devices were built in under a year and the 9-11 attacks happening on Bush's clock eventhough the majority of the planning occur'd on Clintons watch makes it 100% bush's fault.
This is what happens when you are such a political hack. Your sense of time gets warped to the point where you deny it even exists. Things just magically appear out of thin air like thousands of water bottles and other supplies on day 5. They just magically appeared in NO on that day, no logistics, no planning. Just showed up on a truck out of thin air.
Originally posted by: conjur
What school buses? How fast is Greyhound going to get buses to the city and who's going to pay them for the loss of service otherwise? Come on, Genx87. Let's hear a PLAN, not talking points.Originally posted by: Genx87
School buses, call greyhound, how are they doing it now? If Florida has no problem evacuating cities then why the complete cluelessness of Louisiana?Originally posted by: conjur
Again. With what is he going to evacuate 100,000 people spread all over the city? Go ahead, genius. Give us the plan.Originally posted by: Genx87
That is a lie. The mayor when they found out the Cat 5 cane was bearing down on the city should have evacuated the entire city using whatever means necessary. Instead they order a half-ass evacuation 36 hours before the storm hits. The govenor when Bush declared a state of emergency should have called up National Guard troops to deal with the situation before the storm hit, not after.
There is plenty of blame to go around but only a partisan hack like yourself could delude yourself into thinking it resides 100% in the white house.
Guess what? They all have their own cars! Hmm...don't see the difference between people dispersing to their own cars and having to line up to board buses? Have you not been paying attention the last week? Did you not see how long it took to evacuate just 30,000?100,000 may sound like a lot of people but considering on any given night that superdome could house 70,000 people and it takes them probably 2-4 hours to vacate the city.
[/quote]Obviously the local plan was either a joke or not enforced enough to get people to move. I was listening to the radio and a guy from the weather channel was filming Bourbon street on Sunday morning and it was a party. That leads me to believe the local evac plan was a joke and not enforced at all. This falls right on the shoulders of the local govt for failing to evacuate the city properly before a storm everybody knew would breach the Levee did.
There is no excuse if planned correctly then implemented why they couldnt have got those 100,000 out even in those short 36 hours before the storm hit landfall.
But I see where this mayors head is, sending cops to Vegas instead of continuing the rescue effort.
Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: BBond
There is absolutely NO EXCUSE that could possibly exist for the federal government to take five days to respond to Hurricane Katrina. They did absolutely NOTHING for five days. We all saw it play out live ON TV. People were begging for help day after day after day after day after day that DID NOT ARRIVE.
How many lives could have been saved? The first seventy-two hours are critical. Bush took one hundred and twenty hours before the first bottle of water was sent. FEMA TURNED AWAY AID AND AID WORKERS WHO COULD HAVE EVACUATED THE SICK AND ELDERLY AND PROVIDED WATER AND FOOD FOR OTHERS.
WTF IS THAT???
That is a bunch of hysterical dram queen crap and you know it. They didnt send anything into the area until day 5 eh? This assumption on your part doesnt surprise me. you are the same person who think N.Korean nuclear devices were built in under a year and the 9-11 attacks happening on Bush's clock eventhough the majority of the planning occur'd on Clintons watch makes it 100% bush's fault.
This is what happens when you are such a political hack. Your sense of time gets warped to the point where you deny it even exists. Things just magically appear out of thin air like thousands of water bottles and other supplies on day 5. They just magically appeared in NO on that day, no logistics, no planning. Just showed up on a truck out of thin air.
Are you insane???
I watched it on TV, I read about it in the newspapers and online, EVERYONE SAW IT, DIDN'T YOU???
Or were you sticking strictly to Rush? Or too busy with damage control at your White House job?
Originally posted by: conjur
What school buses? How fast is Greyhound going to get buses to the city and who's going to pay them for the loss of service otherwise? Come on, Genx87. Let's hear a PLAN, not talking points.
Guess what? They all have their own cars!
AGAIN, how are you going to get them out? Come on. Let's hear your detailed plan. How are you going to get 100,000 people that are spread all over Orleans Parish out of the city in 24-48hrs.Originally posted by: Genx87
You are making excuses, the simple fact is 100,000 people over a couple of days is feasible using resources within the cities grasps. They have hundreds if no thousands of school bus's. Why not enforce the mandatory evaucation and provide an evacuation route for people who cant afford to drive?Originally posted by: conjur
What school buses? How fast is Greyhound going to get buses to the city and who's going to pay them for the loss of service otherwise? Come on, Genx87. Let's hear a PLAN, not talking points.Originally posted by: Genx87
School buses, call greyhound, how are they doing it now? If Florida has no problem evacuating cities then why the complete cluelessness of Louisiana?
Oh, I saw the water. It wasn't deep enough to prevent buses from getting to the Superdome was it? Who's making excuses? It ain't me.You didnt happen to notice the standing water in the city did you? Nah in your political blinders we only talk about the water in the city when it comes time to blame Bush for not personally erecting bigger levee's.Guess what? They all have their own cars! Hmm...don't see the difference between people dispersing to their own cars and having to line up to board buses? Have you not been paying attention the last week? Did you not see how long it took to evacuate just 30,000?100,000 may sound like a lot of people but considering on any given night that superdome could house 70,000 people and it takes them probably 2-4 hours to vacate the city.
What facts? You haven't given one yet.Dont like the facts do you? Obviously you care less about correcting the problems and more about scoring lame political points.Obviously the local plan was either a joke or not enforced enough to get people to move. I was listening to the radio and a guy from the weather channel was filming Bourbon street on Sunday morning and it was a party. That leads me to believe the local evac plan was a joke and not enforced at all. This falls right on the shoulders of the local govt for failing to evacuate the city properly before a storm everybody knew would breach the Levee did.
There is no excuse if planned correctly then implemented why they couldnt have got those 100,000 out even in those short 36 hours before the storm hit landfall.
But I see where this mayors head is, sending cops to Vegas instead of continuing the rescue effort.
Really? I called for the firing of Brown on numerous occasions already, so tell me where I'm defending Bush here. But I guess you missed that. :roll:Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Do you actually believe that anyone with an ounce of common sense takes what he has to asay any more seriously than what you have to say? When I see onhe of his posts I know it's going to be a Bush Bashing one and when I see one of your posts I know it's going to be an Bush Defrense post. To read one of your guys posts is to read them all. Same sh!t, different day!Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Yeah. conjur wants to pretend those issues don't exist because if he ignores them they aren't real.Originally posted by: FuzzyBee
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
It's been discussed in many other threads (taking a cue from a conjur response) and you've either neglected addressing the questions or have made apologies, or have tried your typical 'It's Bush's fault, look over here instead' diversions.Originally posted by: conjur
How was Nagin horrid? How was Blanco slow? You've yet to show one single shred of evidence that those at the local level didn't do more than were capable of doing.
You shown a letter from Blanco requesting that Bush declare an emergency in Louisiana on Aug 27 and somehow forgot to note that Bush DID declare an emergency situation in Louisiana on Aug 27.
You fail to ask why Blanco and nagin did not fix an evacuation plan that failed them the year previous during Ivan and was criticized publicly for being ineffective and was noted by both Nagin and Blanco that it was substandard and changes were necessary.
You ignore to address why Nagin and Blanco took so long to declare a mandatory evacuation, and you fail to note that Bush had to urge Blanco to declare such an evacuation.
You fail to address why Nagin did not follow the disaster preparedness/response plan for New Orleans.
You fail to address why Nagin didn't keep better control of his police. Has anyone heard a peep from the police chief, or did Nagin already send him on the trip to Vegas?
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Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
Speaking of catching holy hell...
The White House Press Corps is DESTROYING Scott McClellan..
McClellan looks like a total ass... talking points, talking points, talking points... divert, divert, divert...
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Really? I called for the firing of Brown on numerous occasions already, so tell me where I'm defending Bush here. But I guess you missed that. :roll:
AGAIN, how are you going to get them out? Come on. Let's hear your detailed plan. How are you going to get 100,000 people that are spread all over Orleans Parish out of the city in 24-48hrs.
Oh, I saw the water. It wasn't deep enough to prevent buses from getting to the Superdome was it? Who's making excuses? It ain't me.
What facts? You haven't given one yet.
McClellan just lost about 30lbs as the press is chewing his ass out!Originally posted by: BBond
How can anyone be a bigger dick than McLellan?Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
Speaking of catching holy hell...
The White House Press Corps is DESTROYING Scott McClellan..
McClellan looks like a total ass... talking points, talking points, talking points... divert, divert, divert...
Doesn't Jeff have a question for you, Scott???
OMG, there is a woman off camera kicking McLellan's ass all over the podium. How can anyone be a bigger dick than McLellan? Standing there telling outright fvcking LIES for George W. Bush.