Bush catching holy hell

[BBond]

Originally posted by: maluckey
So this thread boils down to BBond dancing with glee over the destruction, and others dancing to see politicos in the hot seat.

Most have not offered one shred of intelligent discussion other than to point the finger at Bush. Most all the rest blame the Feds for LA's own failures. It is a mess, and virtually no planning was done to avert this disaster. I'd wager that not one drill has taken place, and not one assessment was made BEFORE the storm was imminent.

That's the reality....

Now for some intelligent discussion...I'm going to chat with the fourth graders tomorrow about area assessments of their community, and what they can do to help. I'm sure I'll get better responses thatn "Bush hasn't told me how to act yet!!", or "FEMA didn't give us money to do it yet!!" Oddly enough, many communities are eager to an assessment done on their capabilities, shortcomings, and strengths. After all, it's free (other than man hours), it's good for the community, and MOST Army CA units are more than happy to assist local cities and towns instead of routine AT, they get to do their actual CA work for once.

I'M DEMANDING ACCOUNTABILITY FROM AN ADMINISTRATION THAT HAS FAILED AMERICANS REPEATEDLY WHILE YOU EXCUSE ANOTHER OF THEIR FAILURES.

 

[rickn]

it's rediculous to even compare the actions of a mayor/governor to that of the president of the united states.. I mean were talking about a person who could have answered the mayor with the question, "you and what army?"

 

[yankeesfan]

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: maluckey
So this thread boils down to BBond dancing with glee over the destruction, and others dancing to see politicos in the hot seat.

Most have not offered one shred of intelligent discussion other than to point the finger at Bush. Most all the rest blame the Feds for LA's own failures. It is a mess, and virtually no planning was done to avert this disaster. I'd wager that not one drill has taken place, and not one assessment was made BEFORE the storm was imminent.

That's the reality....

Now for some intelligent discussion...I'm going to chat with the fourth graders tomorrow about area assessments of their community, and what they can do to help. I'm sure I'll get better responses thatn "Bush hasn't told me how to act yet!!", or "FEMA didn't give us money to do it yet!!" Oddly enough, many communities are eager to an assessment done on their capabilities, shortcomings, and strengths. After all, it's free (other than man hours), it's good for the community, and MOST Army CA units are more than happy to assist local cities and towns instead of routine AT, they get to do their actual CA work for once.

I'M DEMANDING ACCOUNTABILITY FROM AN ADMINISTRATION THAT HAS FAILED AMERICANS REPEATEDLY WHILE YOU EXCUSE ANOTHER OF THEIR FAILURES.

Do you dismiss all blame from the local and state government? Answer that without dancing around the question and insulting me, which usually is your first reaction.

 

[BBond]

Originally posted by: yankeesfan

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: maluckey
So this thread boils down to BBond dancing with glee over the destruction, and others dancing to see politicos in the hot seat.

Most have not offered one shred of intelligent discussion other than to point the finger at Bush. Most all the rest blame the Feds for LA's own failures. It is a mess, and virtually no planning was done to avert this disaster. I'd wager that not one drill has taken place, and not one assessment was made BEFORE the storm was imminent.

That's the reality....

Now for some intelligent discussion...I'm going to chat with the fourth graders tomorrow about area assessments of their community, and what they can do to help. I'm sure I'll get better responses thatn "Bush hasn't told me how to act yet!!", or "FEMA didn't give us money to do it yet!!" Oddly enough, many communities are eager to an assessment done on their capabilities, shortcomings, and strengths. After all, it's free (other than man hours), it's good for the community, and MOST Army CA units are more than happy to assist local cities and towns instead of routine AT, they get to do their actual CA work for once.

I'M DEMANDING ACCOUNTABILITY FROM AN ADMINISTRATION THAT HAS FAILED AMERICANS REPEATEDLY WHILE YOU EXCUSE ANOTHER OF THEIR FAILURES.

Do you dismiss all blame from the local and state government? Answer that without dancing around the question and insulting me, which usually is your first reaction.

Read the fvcking thread and you'll find your answer.

 

[OrByte]

Originally posted by: yankeesfan

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: maluckey
So this thread boils down to BBond dancing with glee over the destruction, and others dancing to see politicos in the hot seat.

Most have not offered one shred of intelligent discussion other than to point the finger at Bush. Most all the rest blame the Feds for LA's own failures. It is a mess, and virtually no planning was done to avert this disaster. I'd wager that not one drill has taken place, and not one assessment was made BEFORE the storm was imminent.

That's the reality....

Now for some intelligent discussion...I'm going to chat with the fourth graders tomorrow about area assessments of their community, and what they can do to help. I'm sure I'll get better responses thatn "Bush hasn't told me how to act yet!!", or "FEMA didn't give us money to do it yet!!" Oddly enough, many communities are eager to an assessment done on their capabilities, shortcomings, and strengths. After all, it's free (other than man hours), it's good for the community, and MOST Army CA units are more than happy to assist local cities and towns instead of routine AT, they get to do their actual CA work for once.

I'M DEMANDING ACCOUNTABILITY FROM AN ADMINISTRATION THAT HAS FAILED AMERICANS REPEATEDLY WHILE YOU EXCUSE ANOTHER OF THEIR FAILURES.

Do you dismiss all blame from the local and state government? Answer that without dancing around the question and insulting me, which usually is your first reaction.

Ill answer that. No, not at all. I am sure that blame lies at all levels. But when it comes down to the fact that the federal gov had, in place, all the resources necessary and the state/local gov'mts resources were either WIPED OUT or IN IRAQ then it seems clear, to me, that the fed gov'mt should have stepped up sooner.

and finally, when it is all said in done, this is our FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, Bush had promised that he could protect us and DEMOCRATS CAN'T. Bush had four years to get emergency response systems in place since 9/11...what was the federal government doing all that time?

Whether he likes it or not, he is the President and with that comes ultimate responsibility for the citizens of this country...

or am I wrong?

 

[yankeesfan]

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: yankeesfan

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: maluckey
So this thread boils down to BBond dancing with glee over the destruction, and others dancing to see politicos in the hot seat.

Most have not offered one shred of intelligent discussion other than to point the finger at Bush. Most all the rest blame the Feds for LA's own failures. It is a mess, and virtually no planning was done to avert this disaster. I'd wager that not one drill has taken place, and not one assessment was made BEFORE the storm was imminent.

That's the reality....

Now for some intelligent discussion...I'm going to chat with the fourth graders tomorrow about area assessments of their community, and what they can do to help. I'm sure I'll get better responses thatn "Bush hasn't told me how to act yet!!", or "FEMA didn't give us money to do it yet!!" Oddly enough, many communities are eager to an assessment done on their capabilities, shortcomings, and strengths. After all, it's free (other than man hours), it's good for the community, and MOST Army CA units are more than happy to assist local cities and towns instead of routine AT, they get to do their actual CA work for once.

I'M DEMANDING ACCOUNTABILITY FROM AN ADMINISTRATION THAT HAS FAILED AMERICANS REPEATEDLY WHILE YOU EXCUSE ANOTHER OF THEIR FAILURES.

Do you dismiss all blame from the local and state government? Answer that without dancing around the question and insulting me, which usually is your first reaction.

Read the fvcking thread and you'll find your answer.

I am asking a question that requires a yes or no question. I have read this thread, and I would like for you to respond so that everyone can see. Thank you.

 

[squirrel dog]

Al Frankin is clueless .

 

[yankeesfan]

Originally posted by: OrByte

Originally posted by: yankeesfan

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: maluckey
So this thread boils down to BBond dancing with glee over the destruction, and others dancing to see politicos in the hot seat.

Most have not offered one shred of intelligent discussion other than to point the finger at Bush. Most all the rest blame the Feds for LA's own failures. It is a mess, and virtually no planning was done to avert this disaster. I'd wager that not one drill has taken place, and not one assessment was made BEFORE the storm was imminent.

That's the reality....

Now for some intelligent discussion...I'm going to chat with the fourth graders tomorrow about area assessments of their community, and what they can do to help. I'm sure I'll get better responses thatn "Bush hasn't told me how to act yet!!", or "FEMA didn't give us money to do it yet!!" Oddly enough, many communities are eager to an assessment done on their capabilities, shortcomings, and strengths. After all, it's free (other than man hours), it's good for the community, and MOST Army CA units are more than happy to assist local cities and towns instead of routine AT, they get to do their actual CA work for once.

I'M DEMANDING ACCOUNTABILITY FROM AN ADMINISTRATION THAT HAS FAILED AMERICANS REPEATEDLY WHILE YOU EXCUSE ANOTHER OF THEIR FAILURES.

Do you dismiss all blame from the local and state government? Answer that without dancing around the question and insulting me, which usually is your first reaction.

Ill answer that. No, not at all. I am sure that blame lies at all levels. But when it comes down to the fact that the federal gov had, in place, all the resources necessary and the state/local gov'mts resources were either WIPED OUT or IN IRAQ then it seems clear, to me, that the fed gov'mt should have stepped up sooner.

and finally, when it is all said in done, this is our FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, Bush had promised that he could protect us and DEMOCRATS CAN'T. Bush had four years to get emergency response systems in place since 9/11...what was the federal government doing all that time?

Whether he likes it or not, he is the President and with that comes ultimate responsibility for the citizens of this country...

or am I wrong?

You are absolutely correct. There is no reason why it took so long to get the food/water there from the perspective of the NO citizins. You always have to plan for the worst. The best-case scenario was to get everyone out. Obviously, many people could not get out, or chose to stay. I do not blame them.

In this situation, we need to look at the massive task of supplying and feeding these people after the flooding. This is where the blame resides on the Feds and state/local governments. People could not get out of the city because the mandatory evacuation was not fully successful. For this, I blame the state/local governments. As for the aftermath, I assume that it would have been foolish to rush in there with limited supplies. Not only would it give an impression that little was being done about the hunger, but it would have caused a public outcry. Yes, a public outcry is better than death, but this is where I feel that the administration did not do as they should have. They have made promises of 24-48 hour response time, but that has not been tested on as large a scale event as this. As I said before, one must always plan for the worst. It appears that Washington misunderestimated the severity of the situation. That, I believe, is the largest mistake the Feds made. By underestimating the threat, and promising a greater response time than is possible, they have caught hell.

 

[Tab]

Originally posted by: squirrel dog
Al Frankin is clueless .

If Al Frankin is clueless Bush is useless.

 

[maluckey]

BBond,

Why were the evacuation orders not signed until Wed.? Bush cannot control this at all.

Alas, I read the thread, and still haven't seen a single answer as to why the blame is on the Feds, when the state is not controlled by the Federal Govt.

What's next? Is the federal Govt responsible because you cannot elaborate on any answer other than to dance with glee over death, and scream F**K Bush? You blame the feds for everything except your lack of education concerning the Federal system of Government. Perhaps the Federal Govt. was remiss in your neighborhood when homework checking was scheduled for Govt. Class. I guess in your world, the President makes your bed and brushes your teeth for you as well.

 

[Pabster]

Don't bother with BBond, he's just another Bush-hater who spends practically 24/7 behind his keyboard posting anti-Bush propaganda.

 

[BBond]

Originally posted by: Pabster
Don't bother with BBond, he's just another Bush-hater who spends practically 24/7 behind his keyboard posting anti-Bush propaganda.

And you're a fvcking Bush lackey working at the White House. Nothing else can explain your terminal ignorance of the facts.

WE ALL SAW NEW ORLEANS IGNORED BY THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION FOR FIVE DAYS AFTER HURRICAN KATRINA ENDED. AFTER BOTH THE GOVERNOR OF LOUISIANA AND THE MAYOR OF NEW ORLEANS REPEATEDLY BEGGED FOR HELP AND WERE REPEATEDLY IGNORED. WTF ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT WITH THIS TIRED A$$ BUSH-BASHER BULLSH!T, YOU IGNORAND PARTISAN GOON?

 

[ShadesOfGrey]

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: Pabster
Don't bother with BBond, he's just another Bush-hater who spends practically 24/7 behind his keyboard posting anti-Bush propaganda.

And you're a fvcking Bush lackey working at the White House. Nothing else can explain your terminal ignorance of the facts.

WE ALL SAW NEW ORLEANS IGNORED BY THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION FOR FIVE DAYS AFTER HURRICAN KATRINA ENDED. AFTER BOTH THE GOVERNOR OF LOUISIANA AND THE MAYOR OF NEW ORLEANS REPEATEDLY BEGGED FOR HELP AND WERE REPEATEDLY IGNORED. WTF ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT WITH THIS TIRED A$$ BUSH-BASHER BULLSH!T, YOU IGNORAND PARTISAN GOON?

Hehe - Pabster works for the whitehouse?

Stick a fork in him, Pabster - he's gone - WAY gone.:laugh:

 

[RoosterKooster]

There you go again, liberals! All you can muster up is some hindsighted criticism of anything a Republican government is even remotely associated with.
Now get this:
1) The mayor of N.O. is an idiot
2) the mayor of N.O. is an idiot
3) The idiot had to be told by the BUSH MAN you are all too eager to bash that he (the mayor) needs to get off his crooked arse and evacuate the city.
The mayor said get out but being an apathetic, pathetic leader, he did absolutely nothing (0, nada) to assist those without means to evacuate. Had he moved to evacuate the city within 48 hours of the K-lady's arrival, he could have used school buses and other vehicles to evacuate all the residents. He should have said "Dammit, mandatory means everybody goes! Now get on the bus before i personally bust a cap in your asses!"

But, the idiot told the remaining city dweller to take shelter in the superdome and convention center. Of course, true to form, those were the worst possible locations to house anyone since they were not reallt shelters. they were not prepped to be shelters.

Idiot! Idiot! Idiot! Idiot! Idiot! Idiot! Idiot! Idiot! Idiot! Idiot! Idiot! Idiot! Idiot! Idiot! Idiot! Idiot! Idiot! Idiot! Idiot! Idiot! Idiot! Idiot!

 

[conjur]

Damn...what's with the influx of the talking point parrots and Freepes up here lately? The RNC Team Leaders must be getting the smackdown put on them by Rove.

 

[ShadesOfGrey]

Originally posted by: conjur
Damn...what's with the influx of the talking point parrots and Freepes up here lately? The RNC Team Leaders must be getting the smackdown put on them by Rove.

No, it's just that your marching orders/talking points aren't working and you are getting desperate and paranoid.

You see conjur, the truth trumps the spin and parroting you guys seem to be holding onto.

 

[conjur]

Sorry, I don't read Kos regularly...I just happen to catch diary entries that are worth posting. I don't see you debunking anything...just Rovian attack methods.

Now, seriously SOG, what have you done up here other than insult, flame, threadcrap, and troll since you arrived?

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: conjur
Damn...what's with the influx of the talking point parrots and Freepes up here lately? The RNC Team Leaders must be getting the smackdown put on them by Rove.

Watching conjur gyrate, spew, and spasm this evening has been most telling and entertaining.

 

[ShadesOfGrey]

Originally posted by: conjur
Sorry, I don't read Kos regularly...I just happen to catch diary entries that are worth posting. I don't see you debunking anything...just Rovian attack methods.

Now, seriously SOG, what have you done up here other than insult, flame, threadcrap, and troll since you arrived?

Well, considering the level of discourse here by the likes of you, I can say that I've brought the level up. Just because you've been here longer than me and have all those posts does not give you any sort of authority or superiority - it just means you waste more time than other people do.

But this isn't about me, it's about your paranoid desperation since your talking points are failing to work due to the truth. Sorry if you can't handle it. You might try getting out into the real world a bit more, it helps with that whole "reality" thing I mention to you regularly.

 

[arsbanned]

Ahhh more personal attacks from the masters.

 

[blackllotus]

Bush is not the only one to blame, but that is no excuse. The governments aid response to the disaster was much slower than it should have been.

 

[GamerExpress]

Originally posted by: drifter106

Originally posted by: randym431
I have to say this. And finally, the press is waking up to the bs Bush admin. They are giving Bush hell. FEMA did not respond as they should, why? Because (if you listened to Al Franken show, you would have known this long ago) Bush appointed a "buddy" to head FEMA (Director Michael Brown). This guy had zilch, nada, ZERO qualifications to head FEMA. He was Bush's buddy, and THATS how and the only way he got the job. So now, real disaster happens, and the head of FEMA is clueless, with his head up his ass. And so the nightmare begins.

I want to see Bush supporters defend their guy. Just try!

PS. btw, now IS the time to turn up the heat. Not later, but NOW!

I wish you were as concerned about getting the people out as you are bashing Bush. Plenty of time to point fingers...oh yea, I bet if your man would of made it to the White House nobody would of died...gesh....so narrow minded...

I love this defense people use to defend the Administration. It is clear that Bush and his whole Administration is pretty much to blame for this mess of a relief effort, the funny thing is people like this defending it. I have heard so many lame excuses, this one might take the cake though. After the abomination of a relief effort, now it seems all you can do is blame those angry at the Administration for not doinf their part.

I am concerned about those in need, so you know I have contributed over $1000 between my wife and me.

 

[maluckey]

blackllotus,

Right you are, and as has been pointed out ad-nauseum, the evacuation orders were not signed until Wed. The Mayor of NO was generally unaware of the Governor's actions. A distinct lack of communication between NO, and the Capitol of LA, along with no communications with FEMA at all lead this to be far worse than it should have been.

It may all boil down to Florida having to teach LA a thing or two. After all they (Florida) weathered the worst storm ever recorded and had a stellar effort in recovery and evacuations, along with rebuilding.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Here's some poll results on "Bush is catching holy hell"

http://www.drudgereport.com/flash.htm

CNNUSATODAYGALLUP POLL: ONLY 13% BLAME BUSH?
Wed Sep 07 2005 10:42:26 ET

A CNN/USA Today/Gallup poll of 609 adults taken September 5-6 shows:

Blame Game -- 13% said George W. Bush is "most responsible for the problems in New Orleans after the hurricane"; 18% said "federal agencies"; 25% said "state and local officials"; 38% said "no one is to blame"; 6% had no opinion. -- 29% said that "top officials in the federal agencies responsible for handling emergencies should be fired"; 63% said they should not; 8% had no opinion.

MORE

Government Performance -- 10% said George W. Bush has done a "great" job in "responding to the hurricane and subsequent flooding"; 25% said "good"; 21% said "neither good nor bad"; 18% said "bad"; 24% said "terrible"; 2% had no opinion. -- 8% said federal government agencies responsible for handling emergencies have done a "great" job in "responding to the hurricane and subsequent flooding"; 27% said "good"; 20% said "neither good nor bad"; 20% said "bad"; 22% said "terrible"; 3% had no opinion. -- 7% said state and local officials in Louisiana have done a "great" job in "responding to the hurricane and subsequent flooding"; 30% said "good"; 23% said "neither good nor bad"; 20% said "bad"; 15% said "terrible"; 5% had no opinion.

Developing...

 

[imported_djspe]

How anyone can defend Bush over his handling of this crisis is shameful. To quote Jon Stewart, "this was a tremendous failure of government from the top down."

Originally posted by: Condor

Originally posted by: Lucifer
DUDE BUSH RULES DONT DENY IT HE RULES COME ON WHAT KIND OF THEAD IS THIS LOL?

Not only can they not face the reality that Bush saved thousands of lives before and after the storm, they can't deal with the reality that the mayor and governor have been useless in this emergency.

What planet are you living on? Before the storm and after, Bush was still on vacation. Nice double post btw. And Clinton became President with no prior experience? <Cough> Wow, you might want to do some research before making stuff up. Clinton was the state attorney general of Arkansas, and then served five terms as Arkansas governor. But sure that's nothing compared to REAL experience like overseeing Arabian horse judges ;-) Anyhow that's way off topic. Clinton made lots of mistakes, but at least his mistakes didn't cause unnecessary death to his own people. And since you brought up Nixon, do you realize Bush now has a lower approval rating than Nixon had during the Watergate scandal?
http://www.poormojo.org/pmjadaily/archives/004306.html
Couldn't have said it better myself ^^^