Bush ends executive ban on drilling...

[Duwelon]

I am so angry at congress right now. These incompentent, lying SOB's in congress, ALL Democrats, need to be voted out of office as soon as possible.

You want something to write about? Write to your favorite democrat congressman in the senate and house of representatives and tell them to get their priorities straight.

washington post

 

[Rainsford]

It's political posturing meant to confuse people who don't think too hard about the issue. So I suppose it's working.

There are valid reasons for the congressional ban, which might explain how it's been approved every single year through Democratic and Republican congresses. Bush is calling out Congress because Democrat bashing works disgustingly well when it comes to convincing people like Duwelon to vote Republican.

 

[sunzt]

Originally posted by: Duwelon
I am so angry at congress right now. These incompentent, lying SOB's in congress, ALL Democrats, need to be voted out of office as soon as possible.

You want something to write about? Write to your favorite democrat congressman in the senate and house of representatives and tell them to get their priorities straight.

Are you sure it's not due to the decreased likelihood of a war with Iran that would set the ME into a ball of fire and possibly start WW3, the Saudi's reporting more oil inventory than previously thought, the serious push for energy independence from the next US president, or that US consumers curb their oil use due to higher gas prices? As I recall, the price of oil shot up a lot when the rhetoric for war between Isreal/US and Iran was really heated. It's not like this lift will produce a drop of oil anytime in the next 5 years anyway.

 

[Brainonska511]

Why only Democrats? Surely Republicans can also do something about it.

But hell, what am I talking about. Let's just have everyone rave as if this is some kind of game. GO REPUBLICANS! I wonder if they sell big, foam hands......


PS:
I think there was a thread on this already.

See: http://forums.anandtech.com/me...&keyword1=ban+drilling

And another thought:
Additional drilling won't lower prices for AT LEAST 5 years. It won't help the now. For now, we have to bite the bullet and invest in the infrastructure of the future.

 

[Duwelon]

Originally posted by: Rainsford
It's political posturing meant to confuse people who don't think too hard about the issue. So I suppose it's working.

There are valid reasons for the congressional ban, which might explain how it's been approved every single year through Democratic and Republican congresses. Bush is calling out Congress because Democrat bashing works disgustingly well when it comes to convincing people like Duwelon to vote Republican.

Political posturing, how can you say that? He took us closer to us drilling for oil, and the markets REACTED in our favor. How can it be only posturing?

I know you want to believe Bush is just trying some stunt, but he brought results and only a fool argues against results.

 

[daniel49]

well if its any consulation rainsford the dems are seeking to add to the federal gas tax to help ease our pain.
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[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: daniel49
well if its any consulation rainsford the dems are seeking to add to the federal gas tax to help ease our pain.
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See, this is why I dislike Republicans. All you guys can focus on is taxes, taxes and more taxes. Who cares what they pay for or how needed they are, you want more money in your pocket, and damn the consequences!

If you had read the article you linked, you'd see that an increase in gas taxes is necessary to help maintain roads. Since cars aren't much good without roads, that sounds like a pretty good idea for me. And if it convinces a few people to not buy some ridiculous new SUV they don't need, even better.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: Duwelon

Originally posted by: Rainsford
It's political posturing meant to confuse people who don't think too hard about the issue. So I suppose it's working.

There are valid reasons for the congressional ban, which might explain how it's been approved every single year through Democratic and Republican congresses. Bush is calling out Congress because Democrat bashing works disgustingly well when it comes to convincing people like Duwelon to vote Republican.

Political posturing, how can you say that? He took us closer to us drilling for oil, and the markets REACTED in our favor. How can it be only posturing?

I know you want to believe Bush is just trying some stunt, but he brought results and only a fool argues against results.

Because I've always said, if there is one thing that should drive the actions of the government, it's how the markets react to what the government does. :roll:

It's a stunt because he did it knowing exactly what Congress would do in return, and he waited until an election year to bring it up. Not to mention that he did it in the most antagonizingly political way he possibly could. If he had tried to work with Congress to expand our drilling options, that would be one thing. But this is clearly politics, plain and simple.

 

[quest55720]

Originally posted by: sunzt

Originally posted by: Duwelon
I am so angry at congress right now. These incompentent, lying SOB's in congress, ALL Democrats, need to be voted out of office as soon as possible.

You want something to write about? Write to your favorite democrat congressman in the senate and house of representatives and tell them to get their priorities straight.

Are you sure it's not due to the decreased likelihood of a war with Iran that would set the ME into a ball of fire and possibly start WW3, the Saudi's reporting more oil inventory than previously thought, the serious push for energy independence from the next US president, or that US consumers curb their oil use due to higher gas prices? As I recall, the price of oil shot up a lot when the rhetoric for war between Isreal/US and Iran was really heated. It's not like this lift will produce a drop of oil anytime in the next 5 years anyway.

It would produce many barrels of oil with in 5 years. It could be as little as 12-18 months out of the gulf of mexico thanks to the infrastructure being in place. The 5, 10 and 20 year is crap the dems are putting out there to avoid lifting the ban.

Bush might suck but he is doing the right thing on off shore drilling. He did his job now it is ours to pressure the congress into acting. What pisses me off is congress is going to blow the chance to complete burst the buble. A lift of the ban by congress would be just enough to burst this bubble and get oil under 100 dollars a barrel. Oil prices are sliding it time for the knock out punch. To bad the dems are playing politics with the lives of many people.

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: daniel49
well if its any consulation rainsford the dems are seeking to add to the federal gas tax to help ease our pain.
Text

See, this is why I dislike Republicans. All you guys can focus on is taxes, taxes and more taxes. Who cares what they pay for or how needed they are, you want more money in your pocket, and damn the consequences!

If you had read the article you linked, you'd see that an increase in gas taxes is necessary to help maintain roads. Since cars aren't much good without roads, that sounds like a pretty good idea for me. And if it convinces a few people to not buy some ridiculous new SUV they don't need, even better.

You might be right but now is not the time to raise the gas tax. I could see that if they could get the prices to a reasonable level but not now. Last thing this country needs with 4.11 gas prices is another dime added on. The price of gas is hurting many many people it is not hurting the rich who drive esclades. It hurts the poor and working class who drive older less fuel efficient cars/trucks. It hurts businesses because the added cost of transporting goods. They pass the cost along to the consumer who does it hurt the poor and working class. This is simply not the time for a tax increase now maybe if congress got off its asses and got the ban lifted and we got to sub 3.00 dollar gas again a tax would not hurt.


Bush and the republicans have tried to work with the dems on this. They have been trying for many weeks and it is not working. It is time bush calls out congress so the people know exactly where the blame lies. The dems will not even allow a simple vote on the issue. They are stalling and blocking when this country needs them more then ever.

 

[frostedflakes]

Yeah, we need more taxes for those roads that people are going to be driving on less thanks thanks to high gas prices.

 

[Duwelon]

Originally posted by: frostedflakes
Yeah, we need more taxes for those roads that people are going to be driving on less thanks thanks to high gas prices.

Lol, so funny, because it's so true.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: quest55720

Originally posted by: sunzt

Originally posted by: Duwelon
I am so angry at congress right now. These incompentent, lying SOB's in congress, ALL Democrats, need to be voted out of office as soon as possible.

You want something to write about? Write to your favorite democrat congressman in the senate and house of representatives and tell them to get their priorities straight.

Are you sure it's not due to the decreased likelihood of a war with Iran that would set the ME into a ball of fire and possibly start WW3, the Saudi's reporting more oil inventory than previously thought, the serious push for energy independence from the next US president, or that US consumers curb their oil use due to higher gas prices? As I recall, the price of oil shot up a lot when the rhetoric for war between Isreal/US and Iran was really heated. It's not like this lift will produce a drop of oil anytime in the next 5 years anyway.

It would produce many barrels of oil with in 5 years. It could be as little as 12-18 months out of the gulf of mexico thanks to the infrastructure being in place. The 5, 10 and 20 year is crap the dems are putting out there to avoid lifting the ban.

Bush might suck but he is doing the right thing on off shore drilling. He did his job now it is ours to pressure the congress into acting. What pisses me off is congress is going to blow the chance to complete burst the buble. A lift of the ban by congress would be just enough to burst this bubble and get oil under 100 dollars a barrel. Oil prices are sliding it time for the knock out punch. To bad the dems are playing politics with the lives of many people.

And Bush isn't? By acting like such a douchebag on the issue, he's made it very difficult for Congress to work with him on this issue, IMHO. The problem with so deeply embracing partisan politics is that it doesn't work too well when you need real cooperation.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: Duwelon

Originally posted by: frostedflakes
Yeah, we need more taxes for those roads that people are going to be driving on less thanks thanks to high gas prices.

Lol, so funny, because it's so true.

Following that ridiculous logic, clearly your idea is even dumber...lower gas prices and less road taxes would mean more people driving on even worse roads.

 

[umbrella39]

Originally posted by: Duwelon
I am so angry at congress right now. These incompentent, lying SOB's in congress, ALL Democrats, need to be voted out of office as soon as possible.

You want something to write about? Write to your favorite democrat congressman in the senate and house of representatives and tell them to get their priorities straight.

washington post

:roll:

 

[nick1985]

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: daniel49
well if its any consulation rainsford the dems are seeking to add to the federal gas tax to help ease our pain.
Text

See, this is why I dislike Republicans.

Ah, a good 'ol fasioned 'open-minded' liberal. :roll:

 

[Duwelon]

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: Duwelon

Originally posted by: frostedflakes
Yeah, we need more taxes for those roads that people are going to be driving on less thanks thanks to high gas prices.

Lol, so funny, because it's so true.

Following that ridiculous logic, clearly your idea is even dumber...lower gas prices and less road taxes would mean more people driving on even worse roads.

Why do you deflect so much? You made up the notion that somehow republicans support allow roads to turn to crap and you won't answer up to high gas prices without any action to solve the problem.

You democrats are on the wrong side of what the people want. The sooner you admit that, tuck your tail between your legs and do waht the people want, and what has just been proven is the answer, you're going to be in for some serious hurt as one by one your congressmen and women are voted out for their incompetence and flat out unwillingness to do what their constituents want.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: nick1985

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: daniel49
well if its any consulation rainsford the dems are seeking to add to the federal gas tax to help ease our pain.
Text

See, this is why I dislike Republicans.

Ah, a good 'ol fasioned 'open-minded' liberal. :roll:

Yeah, and one that feigns indignance when called a hack for posting hyperbole.

 

[Slick5150]

Originally posted by: Duwelon
I am so angry at congress right now. These incompentent, lying SOB's in congress, ALL Democrats, need to be voted out of office as soon as possible.

You want something to write about? Write to your favorite democrat congressman in the senate and house of representatives and tell them to get their priorities straight.

washington post

So Bush does X and Y occurs, therefore you conclude that without a doubt X directly caused Y.

There's 24 other letters of the alphabet my friend.. Might want to at least glance at a couple of them before drawing conclusions like that.

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: umbrella39

Originally posted by: Duwelon
I am so angry at congress right now. These incompentent, lying SOB's in congress, ALL Democrats, need to be voted out of office as soon as possible.

You want something to write about? Write to your favorite democrat congressman in the senate and house of representatives and tell them to get their priorities straight.

washington post

:roll:

 

[OrByte]

Originally posted by: Slick5150

Originally posted by: Duwelon
I am so angry at congress right now. These incompentent, lying SOB's in congress, ALL Democrats, need to be voted out of office as soon as possible.

You want something to write about? Write to your favorite democrat congressman in the senate and house of representatives and tell them to get their priorities straight.

washington post

So Bush does X and Y occurs, therefore you conclude that without a doubt X directly caused Y.

There's 24 other letters of the alphabet my friend.. Might want to at least glance at a couple of them before drawing conclusions like that.

typical hack logic by the repubs around here.

yawn.

 

[Duwelon]

Originally posted by: Slick5150

Originally posted by: Duwelon
I am so angry at congress right now. These incompentent, lying SOB's in congress, ALL Democrats, need to be voted out of office as soon as possible.

You want something to write about? Write to your favorite democrat congressman in the senate and house of representatives and tell them to get their priorities straight.

washington post

So Bush does X and Y occurs, therefore you conclude that without a doubt X directly caused Y.

There's 24 other letters of the alphabet my friend.. Might want to at least glance at a couple of them before drawing conclusions like that.

I bet your democratic friend in congress are all falling over themselves to see if what Bush did had the cause and effect relationship too. The thing is, they KNOW it did, and they won't even as much as talk about for fear of pissing off the enviornmental wacko's.

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: OrByte

Originally posted by: Slick5150

Originally posted by: Duwelon
I am so angry at congress right now. These incompentent, lying SOB's in congress, ALL Democrats, need to be voted out of office as soon as possible.

You want something to write about? Write to your favorite democrat congressman in the senate and house of representatives and tell them to get their priorities straight.

washington post

So Bush does X and Y occurs, therefore you conclude that without a doubt X directly caused Y.

There's 24 other letters of the alphabet my friend.. Might want to at least glance at a couple of them before drawing conclusions like that.

typical hack logic by the repubs around here.

yawn.

So why don't you educate us, what exactly made the price of oil drop?

 

[ChunkiMunki]

isn't this the same president who said we are "addicted to oil"
now here's how we'll kick are addiction, "let's drill for more oil"
that's bold leadership.

 

[Duwelon]

Originally posted by: ChunkiMunki
isn't this the same president who said we are "addicted to oil"
now here's how we'll kick are addiction, "let's drill for more oil"
that's bold leadership.

We are addicted to foreign oil.

 

[daniel49]

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: daniel49
well if its any consulation rainsford the dems are seeking to add to the federal gas tax to help ease our pain.
Text

See, this is why I dislike Republicans. All you guys can focus on is taxes, taxes and more taxes. Who cares what they pay for or how needed they are, you want more money in your pocket, and damn the consequences!

If you had read the article you linked, you'd see that an increase in gas taxes is necessary to help maintain roads. Since cars aren't much good without roads, that sounds like a pretty good idea for me. And if it convinces a few people to not buy some ridiculous new SUV they don't need, even better.

Yeah you focus on raising them and I focus on keeping uncle sam out of my pocket.
See the Basic premise of the left is you know how to spend my money better then I do.
My premise is by definition govt wether repub or dem is inefficient with money at best and more often then not incompetant. Throwing money down a hole with nothing to show for it.