Bush hides behind the families whose sons he got killed in Iraq

[Ozoned]

Originally posted by: SuperTool
http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/04/23/bush.caskets/index.html

SuperTool, I can understand the emotion that drives you to post this,but by doing so, you hide behind the death of every individual, since the conception of this great country, that has contributed something to make this country what it is.

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: KK

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: daniel1113

Originally posted by: Klixxer
Doesn't really matter, this is a war, even though it was declared over a long time ago, the flowers turned into bullets and every day someones father, son, brother, sister, mother or daughter die in Iraq, that is only counting those who matters, not the Iraqis, the ones who are supposed to be liberated.

Soon the power will be turned over to the Iraqis, erm, no, not for the security or law enforcement, not for the legal system of course, but the, eh, power.

Thank god the Iraqis are now liberated so they can follow ehhhh, well someone else than Saddam that they don't want to follow.

Luckily, you have no say in anything that goes on in Iraq. The next time your country gets the balls to get involved in world politics, you can start bashing our foreign policy.

I did five years in battle zones as a NATO officer, how about you?

Next time your country decides to start a war based on obvious lies and misinformation, maybe your wife will loose her husband, then she can start praising your foregin policy, until then, keep your mouth shut little one.

Who the hell cares about your damn NATO status. Your country and others where profiting under the food for oil program and didn't want it too stop, therefore would have voted against any action against Iraq no matter how many resolutions Iraq was not in compliance with. That pretty much makes your beloved NATO as useful as dogsh1t.

KK

Thank you, very nice of you to insult me for being a part of that organization started by the US to protect the freedom of the US and the western free world. I applaud your courage!

 

[Gaard]

This b!tch dared to defy Bush? Doesn't she know the repercussions?

3...

2...

1...

SMEAR!

 

[SuperTool]

Originally posted by: Ozoned

Originally posted by: SuperTool

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/04/23/bush.caskets/index.html

SuperTool, I can understand the emotion that drives you to post this,but by doing so, you hide behind the death of every individual, since the conception of this great country, that has contributed something to make this country what it is.

That made NO sense.

 

[SuperTool]

Originally posted by: unixfool

Originally posted by: SuperTool

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/04/23/bush.caskets/index.html

I too agree with KK.



It does sound like you pulled the title and topic summary from Uranus.



Anyways, if it weren't YOUR daughter or son in those coffins, why'd you want to see pics of flag-draped coffins?



If it were my son or daughter and people were able to just casually view the casket, I'd blow a fuse and write the president myself a nastygram. I think it's pretty much BS to want to be able to see what shouldn't really be seen, except by family members.



Do you make it a habit of just casually showing up to stranger's funerals? If so, you're a sick person. If not, then why are you so worried about what you can't normally see?



My dad did 30 years in the U.S. Army. I did 10 with the Army. I've 3 uncles that were in the same time I was, and all 3 combined culminate 60 years of service. My wife is still in with 15. It sounds like you've not spent time with or around military types. If your family had a rich military history, then maybe you'd understand WHY this policy is geared toward family members of the deceased. It's not an issue of hiding how many soldiers have died (not to me, at least) but its more of respecting those (and their families) who've made the ultimate sacrifice and ensured the right to free speech that you're so obsessed with exercising at the moment.



The moment that strangers are allowed, in the U.S., to view and make opinions of dead soldiers in their caskets is the time that I seriously consider changing my national affiliation. That's much worse than burning the American flag. A flag is just symbolic. It can be replaced...lives can't. When the nation becomes so callous about our soldiers that they demand viewing their coffins, its time to start thinking about moving.

But where is the privacy issue? These are identical caskets draped in US flags. We already know that people are dying in Iraq. If they were closeups with the names shown, then I would agree with you, but as it stands now it seems to me as an attempt to filter out images that this administration perceives as negative.

 

[Mean MrMustard]

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: KK

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: daniel1113

Originally posted by: Klixxer
Doesn't really matter, this is a war, even though it was declared over a long time ago, the flowers turned into bullets and every day someones father, son, brother, sister, mother or daughter die in Iraq, that is only counting those who matters, not the Iraqis, the ones who are supposed to be liberated.

Soon the power will be turned over to the Iraqis, erm, no, not for the security or law enforcement, not for the legal system of course, but the, eh, power.

Thank god the Iraqis are now liberated so they can follow ehhhh, well someone else than Saddam that they don't want to follow.

Luckily, you have no say in anything that goes on in Iraq. The next time your country gets the balls to get involved in world politics, you can start bashing our foreign policy.

I did five years in battle zones as a NATO officer, how about you?

Next time your country decides to start a war based on obvious lies and misinformation, maybe your wife will loose her husband, then she can start praising your foregin policy, until then, keep your mouth shut little one.

Who the hell cares about your damn NATO status. Your country and others where profiting under the food for oil program and didn't want it too stop, therefore would have voted against any action against Iraq no matter how many resolutions Iraq was not in compliance with. That pretty much makes your beloved NATO as useful as dogsh1t.

KK

Thank you, very nice of you to insult me for being a part of that organization started by the US to protect the freedom of the US and the western free world. I applaud your courage!

In other words : I'm Rick James from Germany, bitch!

 

[Ozoned]

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Originally posted by: Ozoned

Originally posted by: SuperTool

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/04/23/bush.caskets/index.html

SuperTool, I can understand the emotion that drives you to post this,but by doing so, you hide behind the death of every individual, since the conception of this great country, that has contributed something to make this country what it is.

That made NO sense.

When you choose to politicize personal sacrifice you marginallize the people that make the sacrifice.
It is your right to do so and was afforded to you by those you marginallize..

that better..

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: ELP

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: KK

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: daniel1113

Originally posted by: Klixxer
Doesn't really matter, this is a war, even though it was declared over a long time ago, the flowers turned into bullets and every day someones father, son, brother, sister, mother or daughter die in Iraq, that is only counting those who matters, not the Iraqis, the ones who are supposed to be liberated.

Soon the power will be turned over to the Iraqis, erm, no, not for the security or law enforcement, not for the legal system of course, but the, eh, power.

Thank god the Iraqis are now liberated so they can follow ehhhh, well someone else than Saddam that they don't want to follow.

Luckily, you have no say in anything that goes on in Iraq. The next time your country gets the balls to get involved in world politics, you can start bashing our foreign policy.

I did five years in battle zones as a NATO officer, how about you?

Next time your country decides to start a war based on obvious lies and misinformation, maybe your wife will loose her husband, then she can start praising your foregin policy, until then, keep your mouth shut little one.

Who the hell cares about your damn NATO status. Your country and others where profiting under the food for oil program and didn't want it too stop, therefore would have voted against any action against Iraq no matter how many resolutions Iraq was not in compliance with. That pretty much makes your beloved NATO as useful as dogsh1t.

KK

Thank you, very nice of you to insult me for being a part of that organization started by the US to protect the freedom of the US and the western free world. I applaud your courage!

In other words : I'm Rick James from Germany, bitch!

In other words, i have been to three hot zones and given the best part of my life and my self in battle, you owe me nothing. But don't tell me that i did it for nothing.

It kinda bugs me.

 

[SuperTool]

Originally posted by: Ozoned

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Originally posted by: Ozoned

Originally posted by: SuperTool



http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/04/23/bush.caskets/index.html

SuperTool, I can understand the emotion that drives you to post this,but by doing so, you hide behind the death of every individual, since the conception of this great country, that has contributed something to make this country what it is.

That made NO sense.

When you choose to politicize personal sacrifice you marginallize the people that make the sacrifice.

It is your right to do so and was afforded to you by those you marginallize..



that better..

The republicans have politicized all aspects of the war on terror, and the war in Iraq. It's Bush who is trying to marginalize their sacrifice. Out of sight, out of mind.

 

[unixfool]

But where is the privacy issue? These are identical caskets draped in US flags. We already know that people are dying in Iraq. If they were closeups with the names shown, then I would agree with you, but as it stands now it seems to me as an attempt to filter out images that this administration perceives as negative.

The privacy issue is there...just the fact that there ARE bodies inside the casket, bodies that have a direct link to people that are hurting and are suffering a loss of a loved one. You should be happy with that answer and not so investigative. Whatever answers you're looking could possibly be found by mailing your congressman a letter, instead of wanting to see pictures of coffined dead bodies.

It doesn't matter if the caskets weren't identical or if they weren't draped in flags. If you're telling me that as long as we don't see any faces or ID, the privacy is already there, you're wrong. The privacy is in the situation. It's the same reason that next-of-kin is notified of a death before the media is. Feelings are raw when a loved one dies.

Again, why would you, a person that has no links whatsoever to the deceased, want to even see pictures of caskets anyways. IMO, that's kinda morbid, even if you're seeming to imply that you've a right...really, you don't. Do you take pictures at funerals? I'd hope not.

I think the only reason people are getting all bent over this is because of political views. A plane full of dead doesn't concern the public, unless your relative is on that plane. Your only real concern regarding that is how you, the taxpayer, is supporting bringing them home, ie, the plane's fuel consumption or anything else that's affected by your tax dollars. The coffins and their contents are taken care of by SGLI (Soldier's Group Life Insurance), most likely. I can't see how or why this should be public...a soldier, deceased or not, is not a public commodity. Soldiers are not slaves and they're not owned. They deserve their own dignity, even in a coffin and regardless of if you cannot tell whose inside the coffin.

 

[KK]

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: ELP

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: KK

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: daniel1113

Originally posted by: Klixxer
Doesn't really matter, this is a war, even though it was declared over a long time ago, the flowers turned into bullets and every day someones father, son, brother, sister, mother or daughter die in Iraq, that is only counting those who matters, not the Iraqis, the ones who are supposed to be liberated.

Soon the power will be turned over to the Iraqis, erm, no, not for the security or law enforcement, not for the legal system of course, but the, eh, power.

Thank god the Iraqis are now liberated so they can follow ehhhh, well someone else than Saddam that they don't want to follow.

Luckily, you have no say in anything that goes on in Iraq. The next time your country gets the balls to get involved in world politics, you can start bashing our foreign policy.

I did five years in battle zones as a NATO officer, how about you?

Next time your country decides to start a war based on obvious lies and misinformation, maybe your wife will loose her husband, then she can start praising your foregin policy, until then, keep your mouth shut little one.

Who the hell cares about your damn NATO status. Your country and others where profiting under the food for oil program and didn't want it too stop, therefore would have voted against any action against Iraq no matter how many resolutions Iraq was not in compliance with. That pretty much makes your beloved NATO as useful as dogsh1t.

KK

Thank you, very nice of you to insult me for being a part of that organization started by the US to protect the freedom of the US and the western free world. I applaud your courage!

In other words : I'm Rick James from Germany, bitch!

In other words, i have been to three hot zones and given the best part of my life and my self in battle, you owe me nothing. But don't tell me that i did it for nothing.

It kinda bugs me.

In other words, what did YOU being a NATO officer have to do with anything previsously mentioned? And who the hell said YOU did do it for nothing? And who insulted YOU?

Hmm, you notice this trend, it seems to be all about YOU.

KK

 

[Klixxer]

No, actually, as all names are public records, it is not really any privacy error, which is great, because if was killed during my tour to Afghanistan to fight the real terrorists, they could have thrown rotten fruit on my grave.

That would have made them real happy, i think.

 

[Ozoned]

r/p

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: KK

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: ELP

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: KK

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: daniel1113

Originally posted by: Klixxer
Doesn't really matter, this is a war, even though it was declared over a long time ago, the flowers turned into bullets and every day someones father, son, brother, sister, mother or daughter die in Iraq, that is only counting those who matters, not the Iraqis, the ones who are supposed to be liberated.

Soon the power will be turned over to the Iraqis, erm, no, not for the security or law enforcement, not for the legal system of course, but the, eh, power.

Thank god the Iraqis are now liberated so they can follow ehhhh, well someone else than Saddam that they don't want to follow.

Luckily, you have no say in anything that goes on in Iraq. The next time your country gets the balls to get involved in world politics, you can start bashing our foreign policy.

I did five years in battle zones as a NATO officer, how about you?

Next time your country decides to start a war based on obvious lies and misinformation, maybe your wife will loose her husband, then she can start praising your foregin policy, until then, keep your mouth shut little one.

Who the hell cares about your damn NATO status. Your country and others where profiting under the food for oil program and didn't want it too stop, therefore would have voted against any action against Iraq no matter how many resolutions Iraq was not in compliance with. That pretty much makes your beloved NATO as useful as dogsh1t.

KK

Thank you, very nice of you to insult me for being a part of that organization started by the US to protect the freedom of the US and the western free world. I applaud your courage!

In other words : I'm Rick James from Germany, bitch!

In other words, i have been to three hot zones and given the best part of my life and my self in battle, you owe me nothing. But don't tell me that i did it for nothing.

It kinda bugs me.

In other words, what did YOU being a NATO officer have to do with anything previsously mentioned? And who the hell said YOU did do it for nothing? And who insulted YOU?

Hmm, you notice this trend, it seems to be all about YOU.

KK

What did i do? I did what i were deployed to do, i was ONLY deployed in war zones, three of them, you can probably figure it last site was Afghanistan, and sure, i only did it for me, because that is why you sign up for duty in war zones, only for me.

You have insulted me twice now. And i thank you again. you see, i do not care about little punks like yourself, that this world is full of to thank me, i KNOW what i have done, i don't need you to be thankful for fighting for your country, i just do what i do.

One day you will grow up too, maybe you will do the same?

 

[daniel1113]

This thread was busted when SuperTool came up with that ridiculous title.

 

[Ozoned]

Originally posted by: SuperTool




When you choose to politicize personal sacrifice you marginallize
the people that make the sacrifice.

It is your right to do so and was afforded to you by those you marginallize..



that better..

The republicans have politicized all aspects of the war on terror, and the
war in Iraq. It's Bush who is trying to marginalize their sacrifice. Out of
sight, out of mind.[/quote]

No, it is only your opinion that Bush is marginalizing their sacrifice, and it
is very weak. (out of site, out of mind)
The topic title and topic summary that you selected proves your
intent to marginalize their sacrifice, but like I said, that is your right.

Choosing to exercise that right, in my opinion, says a lot about you...

*ot* is it just me or is this thread busted? Scrolls wont show entire
posts????

 

[Klixxer]

I forgot, the war on terror isn't relevant to Iraq. Sorry, now you can continue bashing Germany for it's lack to do eh, for its eh... about terror, eh, oopsie...

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: daniel1113
This thread was busted when SuperTool came up with that ridiculous title.

No, it was you who brought it off track, of course, being responsible for anything isn't something you can handle, is it?

 

[daniel1113]

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: daniel1113
This thread was busted when SuperTool came up with that ridiculous title.

No, it was you who brought it off track, of course, being responsible for anything isn't something you can handle, is it?

Wrong again, Klixxer. First, you've been here for how many months? Try 3 WEEKS. You have no idea who I am, and therefore have no basis for your comment.

Second, well... i'm not even going to bother writing the second point.

 

[daniel1113]

Originally posted by: Klixxer
I forgot, the war on terror isn't relevant to Iraq. Sorry, now you can continue bashing Germany for it's lack to do eh, for its eh... about terror, eh, oopsie...

Yeah, Iraq had NOTHING to do with world terror. :roll:

How many years did you say you were in NATO again? I thought they would teach this kind of stuff within the first week or so...

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: daniel1113

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: daniel1113
This thread was busted when SuperTool came up with that ridiculous title.

No, it was you who brought it off track, of course, being responsible for anything isn't something you can handle, is it?

Wrong again, Klixxer. First, you've been here for how many months? Try 3 WEEKS. You have no idea who I am, and therefore have no basis for your comment.

Second, well... i'm not even going to bother writing the second point.

Got home from an three + three + three month deployment, ONE nine mont tour. I will say nine months or you would be up all night trying to add it and getting anything from one day to nine years.

So shut it 20 year old boy because you have no idea who *I* am.

You would probably need your second point now, boy.

 

[Klixxer]

Sorry, i totally missed your point danielle, i have been here for a short time but i have been lurking for a long time, mostly in GH but wandered into other forums at times, the rest stands danielle.

You French by any chance?

 

[Ozoned]

Originally posted by: Klixxer


You would probably need your second point now, boy.

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: daniel1113

Originally posted by: Klixxer
I forgot, the war on terror isn't relevant to Iraq. Sorry, now you can continue bashing Germany for it's lack to do eh, for its eh... about terror, eh, oopsie...

Yeah, Iraq had NOTHING to do with world terror. :roll:

How many years did you say you were in NATO again? I thought they would teach this kind of stuff within the first week or so...

You might be young, but i doubt even you are this stupid, you politics enter the military arena on that level?

But let's hear your personal opinion on the Al Quaida camp on US controlled ground or how Saddams Baathist party payed the families of EVERY dead Iraqi just like one other Arab nation.

Let's hear it big boy.

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: Ozoned

Originally posted by: Klixxer





You would probably need your second point now, boy.

Wrong usage, you can't claim that PART of a post is trolling, only if the entire post adds nothing of value, my post was a counter argument after being challenged, so.

For YOU though. :cookie;