BUSH LIED! THOUSANDS DIED!

Harvey

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Who lied? Named are:

President George W. Bush
Vice President Dick Cheney
Former Secretary State Colin Powell
Former Secretary of Defense Donald H. Rumsfeld

Who says so? The Senate Intelligence Committee.

What did they say? The same things as those of us who have been saying this for years:

BUSH LIED! and THOUSANDS DIED!


The biggest question I have for the committee is, WTF took them so long? :roll:

Report accuses Bush of misrepresenting Iraq intel

By PAMELA HESS, Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON - A new Senate report gives a fresh shot of adrenaline to the election-year debate over the Iraq war. President Bush and his top officials deliberately misrepresented secret intelligence to make the case to invade Iraq, according to the Senate Intelligence Committee.

The panel put a new spin on old charges, comparing claims made in five speeches by top Bush administration officials with intelligence reports. The committee says officials wrongly linked Saddam Hussein to the Sept. 11 attacks and al-Qaida; claimed Iraq would give terrorist groups chemical, biological or nuclear weapons, and said Iraq was developing drone aircraft to spread chemical or biological agents over the United States.

None was borne out by intelligence.

The presumptive Democratic nominee for president, Sen. Barack Obama, has staked his campaign on his consistent opposition to the Iraq war. The presumptive Republican nominee, Sen. John McCain, has trumpeted his unflagging support for the war, if not how it was waged.

The report released Thursday follows, by years, an earlier committee effort that assessed the quality of pre-war intelligence on Iraq and found it severely lacking. This report is known as "phase II" and spawned a nasty partisan fight in the committee. It plows well-tread political ground by contrasting what Bush, Vice President Dick Cheney, then-Secretary of State Colin Powell and then-Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld said between October 2002 and March 2003, when the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq began, with intelligence reports that since have been released.

"These reports are about holding the government accountable and making sure these mistakes never happen again," said the committee's chairman, Sen. Jay Rockefeller, D-W.Va.

According to Rockefeller, the problem was the Bush administration concealed information that would have undermined the case for war. "We might have avoided this catastrophe," he said.

Bush's press secretary, Dana Perino, said the problem was flawed intelligence heading into the war. "We had the intelligence that we had, fully vetted, but it was wrong. And we certainly regret that," she said.

The Senate report, however, found that intelligence supported most of the administration's statements about Iraq before the war. But officials often did not mention the level of dissension or uncertainty in the intelligence agencies about the information they were presenting.

Two Republicans, Sens. Chuck Hagel of Nebraska and Olympia Snowe of Maine, endorsed the report.

The committee's five other Republicans, however, assailed it as a partisan exercise. They accused Democrats of covering for their own members, including Rockefeller and Sen. Carl Levin, D-Mich., who made similar statements about Iraq based on the same intelligence the Bush administration used.

"It is ironic that the Democrats would knowingly distort and misrepresent the committee's findings and the intelligence in an effort to prove that the administration distorted and mischaracterized the intelligence," said Sen. Christopher Bond of Missouri, the committee's top Republican.

A second report issued by the committee Thursday says Pentagon officials concealed from U.S. intelligence agencies potentially useful tips from Iranian agents in 2001, including that Tehran allegedly sent hit teams to Afghanistan to kill Americans.

The Iranians also told Pentagon employees at a December 2001 meeting in Rome of a purported tunnel complex used to store weapons and covertly move personnel out of Iran after Sept. 11, 2001, according to the committee report. In addition, the Iranians told of a long-standing relationship with the Palestine Liberation Organization and the growth of anti-government sentiment inside Iran.

The information was questionable, the report suggests, citing the sources: a discredited former arms dealer who was peddling a plan to overthrow the Iranian government and a former U.S. official whose leads had failed to yield any substance for the CIA.

Nonetheless, the report sheds new light on the mistrust and lack of cooperation by Cheney and Rumsfeld with the CIA and the State Department after 9/11.

Committee Republicans, in a dissent, said the report had nothing to do with the original scope of the review ? prewar intelligence on Iraq. They said it would be a "disappointment" for people looking for evidence of Pentagon wrongdoing.

The report focuses on the series of meetings in Rome held over three days in December 2001. The U.S. was fighting in Afghanistan and working on initial planning for the Iraq war.

Then-Deputy National Security Adviser Stephen Hadley authorized the meetings. Two Pentagon employees, one of whom worked for then-Undersecretary of Defense for Policy Doug Feith, went to Rome to meet with two Iranians ? one a current member of the security service, the second a former member. Manucher Ghorbanifar, an Iranian middleman already dismissed by the CIA as untrustworthy, also attended, as did a representative from an unspecified foreign government's intelligence service. Michael Ledeen, a former Pentagon official and an analyst with the conservative American Enterprise Institute, arranged the meeting and attended.

In one meeting, Ghorbanifar pressed for a change of government in Iran and, on a napkin, outlined a plan to do that, saying he would need $5 million to set it in motion, according to the report.

The report said Hadley failed to fully inform then-CIA Director George Tenet and then-Deputy Secretary of State Richard Armitage about the meeting. But Hadley and the Pentagon were within their rights to conduct the meeting, the report said.

White House spokesman Tony Fratto said Hadley notified all parties concerned appropriately.

The report said Defense Department officials refused to allow "potentially useful and actionable intelligence" to be shared with intelligence agencies. The head of the DIA was briefed on the meeting but was not authorized to keep a written summary or it or to discuss it on the orders of Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz.

Ledeen said Thursday that the meetings were not kept secret from U.S. intelligence, and said he had briefed the U.S. ambassador to Italy twice about them.

"Any time the CIA wanted to find out what was going on all they had to do was ask," he said.

One of the two Pentagon representatives, Larry Franklin, now faces jail time after pleading guilty to espionage-related charges unrelated to the Rome meeting. Franklin told the committee he believed the intelligence gathered at the meetings "saved American lives." He passed word of the alleged hit teams to a special operations forces commander in Afghanistan.

Congratulations, you lying POS traitors. As of 6/5/08, 4,092 American troops have sacraficed their lives, and tens of thousands more American troops are wounded, scarred and disabled for life as a direct result of your treachery. I hope you and every member of your gang of traitors, murderers, torturers, war criminals and war profiteers are indicted, tried and convicted of MURDER for of those deaths. :|

I don't want them to get the death penalty they so richly deserve. I'd rather see all of them spend the rest of their miserable lives rotting in cells at Guantanamo.
 

Hecubus2000

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It looks like you left a few people off that list. Let me take care of that for you.

Al Gore
Sen. Ted Kennedy
Sen. Robert Byrd
Sen. John F. Kerry
Sen. Hillary Clinton
Sen. Bob Graham
Sen. John F. Kerry
Rep. Nancy Pelosi
Tom Daschle
Sen. Carl Levin

Why do you think Bush is still in office? They have to keep the spotlight on someone.
 
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Originally posted by: Harvey
"These reports are about holding the government accountable and making sure these mistakes never happen again," said the committee's chairman, Sen. Jay Rockefeller, D-W.Va.

How? Does anyone really believe anything will happen to those involved? I see no evidence to suggest anyone will wind up in prison or even facing serious charges.
 

nageov3t

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Originally posted by: jman19
Originally posted by: loki8481
I for one won't be reelecting him in November.

Ok, what does that have to do with him not liking Bush?

so Bush lied to get us in the war... it doesn't change the current situation, and Americans already had their chance to show whether or not they cared -- and they reelected him. so what can you really do at this point to show your righteous fury? the democrats in congress sure as hell aren't going to do anything about it.
 

Hecubus2000

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Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer
Originally posted by: Harvey
"These reports are about holding the government accountable and making sure these mistakes never happen again," said the committee's chairman, Sen. Jay Rockefeller, D-W.Va.

How? Does anyone really believe anything will happen to those involved? I see no evidence to suggest anyone will wind up in prison or even facing serious charges.


Don't you just find it funny the committee's chairman Sen. Jay Rockefeller has the balls to even talk of the subject? What a loser.

"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years ... We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."
-- Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002

 

Stoneburner

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Originally posted by: Hecubus2000
It looks like you left a few people off that list. Let me take care of that for you.

Al Gore
Sen. Ted Kennedy
Sen. Robert Byrd
Sen. John F. Kerry
Sen. Hillary Clinton
Sen. Bob Graham
Sen. John F. Kerry
Rep. Nancy Pelosi
Tom Daschle
Sen. Carl Levin

Why do you think Bush is still in office? They have to keep the spotlight on someone.


Wrong. The only senators who would have anywhere close to the same level of information were on the intelligence committee like Dick Durbin. He couldn't reveal anythign he learned because his clearance would have been rescinded. You seem to be confusing the duped with the ones who duped them. Bush's underlings knew of doubts within the intelligence community and PURPOSEFULLY REMOVED THEM.

 

Harvey

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Originally posted by: Stoneburner
Feith, wolfowitz, hadley, and perle need to be tried for something.

The same charges of murder, treason, torture and war crimes would do.

Originally posted by: Hecubus2000
It looks like you left a few people off that list. Let me take care of that for you.

Al Gore
Sen. Ted Kennedy
Sen. Robert Byrd
Sen. John F. Kerry
Sen. Hillary Clinton
Sen. Bob Graham
Sen. John F. Kerry
Rep. Nancy Pelosi
Tom Daschle
Sen. Carl Levin

Why do you think Bush is still in office? They have to keep the spotlight on someone.

Nice attempt to distract attention from those who lied to Congress about the "intelligence" they had that "proved" the Bushwhackos' case for war. Anyone who still puts out that same tired diversion is either dumber than a rock or one of the criminals or both.

Which are you? :roll:
 

Stoneburner

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Before this continues, let's get one thing straight. The senate did NOT Have access to the same intelligence the whitehouse people did. For a more full understanding I encourage reading Hubris and/or the 1 percent doctrine. A certain individual is hellbent on using words uttered by democrats. However, that they stated those things is irrelevant, the question is whether the bush admin manipulated information, including the information that went to the senators in question. A Th The answer is a resounding YES.
gain, some senators had access to MORE information but not the complete record. Rockafeller was one such senator so he's a dirty asshole (see his bending over on telecom immunity for further reference)

As for the report, it confirms what has been stated in numerous books and articles.
 

bamacre

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Originally posted by: loki8481
I for one won't be reelecting him in November.

You can't see that this is the work of neo-conservatives much more so than Bush?

McCain is surrounding himself with the same people. And you're gonna vote for him?
 

Corbett

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Originally posted by: Harvey
Congratulations, you lying POS traitors. As of 6/5/08, 4,092 American troops have sacraficed their lives, and tens of thousands more American troops are wounded, scarred and disabled for life as a direct result of your treachery. I hope you and every member of your gang of traitors, murderers, torturers, war criminals and war profiteers are indicted, tried and convicted of MURDER for of those deaths. :|

I don't want them to get the death penalty they so richly deserve. I'd rather see all of them spend the rest of their miserable lives rotting in cells at Guantanamo.

REPOST! Please lock this thread.
 

Corbett

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Originally posted by: Harvey
Originally posted by: Stoneburner
Feith, wolfowitz, hadley, and perle need to be tried for something.

The same charges of murder, treason, torture and war crimes would do.

Originally posted by: Hecubus2000
It looks like you left a few people off that list. Let me take care of that for you.

Al Gore
Sen. Ted Kennedy
Sen. Robert Byrd
Sen. John F. Kerry
Sen. Hillary Clinton
Sen. Bob Graham
Sen. John F. Kerry
Rep. Nancy Pelosi
Tom Daschle
Sen. Carl Levin

Why do you think Bush is still in office? They have to keep the spotlight on someone.

Nice attempt to distract attention from those who lied to Congress about the "intelligence" they had that "proved" the Bushwhackos' case for war. Anyone who still puts out that same tired diversion is either dumber than a rock or one of the criminals or both.

Which are you? :roll:

ORLY?

 

Duwelon

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Originally posted by: Stoneburner
Before this continues, let's get one thing straight. The senate did NOT Have access to the same intelligence the whitehouse people did. For a more full understanding I encourage reading Hubris and/or the 1 percent doctrine. A certain individual is hellbent on using words uttered by democrats. However, that they stated those things is irrelevant, the question is whether the bush admin manipulated information, including the information that went to the senators in question. A Th The answer is a resounding YES.
gain, some senators had access to MORE information but not the complete record. Rockafeller was one such senator so he's a dirty asshole (see his bending over on telecom immunity for further reference)

As for the report, it confirms what has been stated in numerous books and articles.

I don't know of anyone who has ever stated that the reason we invaded Iraq was because they attacked us during 9/11. The facts are that saddam was kicking out inspectors and breaking UN resolutions, this after 9/11. This was a leader who pre-emptively thought he could invade a sovreign neighbor and claim it as his own. Now, after almost 7 years of NO terrorist attacks on US soil, compared to a couple during Clinton's reign, the democrats are just trying to re-write history.

This guy summed it pretty good:

"It is ironic that the Democrats would knowingly distort and misrepresent the committee's findings and the intelligence in an effort to prove that the administration distorted and mischaracterized the intelligence," said Sen. Christopher Bond of Missouri, the committee's top Republican.
 

Sinsear

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This thread is retarded. Need we pull out the scroll of all the Dems who either claimed Saddam had weapons, was builiding them, or how about all the ones who voted in favor to authorize military action. They are all accountable. Not just Bush.
 

Harvey

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Originally posted by: Corbett
Originally posted by: Harvey
Originally posted by: Stoneburner
Feith, wolfowitz, hadley, and perle need to be tried for something.

The same charges of murder, treason, torture and war crimes would do.

Originally posted by: Hecubus2000
It looks like you left a few people off that list. Let me take care of that for you.

Al Gore
Sen. Ted Kennedy
Sen. Robert Byrd
Sen. John F. Kerry
Sen. Hillary Clinton
Sen. Bob Graham
Sen. John F. Kerry
Rep. Nancy Pelosi
Tom Daschle
Sen. Carl Levin

Why do you think Bush is still in office? They have to keep the spotlight on someone.

Nice attempt to distract attention from those who lied to Congress about the "intelligence" they had that "proved" the Bushwhackos' case for war. Anyone who still puts out that same tired diversion is either dumber than a rock or one of the criminals or both.

Which are you? :roll:

ORLY?

YES, RLY! Hillary Clinton had the same misinformation, disinformation and outright lies the Bushwhackos spoon fed other members of Congress. I agree with Obama and those in Congress others who had the better sense to oppose it, but if you want to assign fault, start with the liars who pimped their war and issued the marching orders before thinking about going after those they suckered into following their lead into their trap.

Originally posted by: Sinsear
This thread is retarded. Need we pull out the scroll of all the Dems who either claimed Saddam had weapons, was builiding them, or how about all the ones who voted in favor to authorize military action. They are all accountable. Not just Bush.

No, the only thing that's retarded are the tards who still think they can deny the facts about the Bushwhackos LIES or spread enough FUD around to cloud the issues or smear the Bushwhacko traitors' stink on those they suckered. :thumbsdown:
 

Corbett

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Originally posted by: Harvey
YES, RLY! Hillary Clinton had the same misinformation, disinformation and outright lies the Bushwhackos spoon fed other members of Congress. I agree with Obama and those in Congress others who had the better sense to oppose it, but if you want to assign fault, start with the liars who pimped their war and issued the marching orders before thinking about going after those they suckered into following their lead into their trap.

Obama wasnt against the war because he somehow knew there was false information. He was against the war because hes a anti-war liberal, who is against all wars. Don't kid yourself.
 

Harvey

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Originally posted by: Sinsear
*yawn.

Let me know when the indictment comes down.

Believe me... I'll be glad to wake you and let you know. In fact, I'll invite you to my party to celebrate their convictions.
 

Sinsear

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Originally posted by: Harvey
Originally posted by: Sinsear
*yawn.

Let me know when the indictment comes down.

Believe me... I'll be glad to wake you and let you know. In fact, I'll invite you to my party to celebrate their convictions.

I wouldn't hold my breath if I were you.
 

Harvey

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Originally posted by: Sinsear
Originally posted by: Harvey
Originally posted by: Sinsear
*yawn.

Let me know when the indictment comes down.

Believe me... I'll be glad to wake you and let you know. In fact, I'll invite you to my party to celebrate their convictions.

I wouldn't hold my breath if I were you.

I wouldn't hold my breath for you, but as a sign of my respect for you, I'll gladly fart in your general direction. :laugh:
 

Corbett

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Originally posted by: Harvey
Originally posted by: Sinsear
Originally posted by: Harvey
Originally posted by: Sinsear
*yawn.

Let me know when the indictment comes down.

Believe me... I'll be glad to wake you and let you know. In fact, I'll invite you to my party to celebrate their convictions.

I wouldn't hold my breath if I were you.

I wouldn't hold my breath for you, but as a sign of my respect for you, I'll gladly fart in your general direction. :laugh:

LOL! Always love a good Montey Python quote.

But I'm 100% serious, if you have a party for the conviction of Bush or Cheney, I will be there.....

But only if you play "Who's Watch Who's Watching Over You" on repeat during the entire party.
 

Vic

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Originally posted by: Corbett
Originally posted by: Harvey
YES, RLY! Hillary Clinton had the same misinformation, disinformation and outright lies the Bushwhackos spoon fed other members of Congress. I agree with Obama and those in Congress others who had the better sense to oppose it, but if you want to assign fault, start with the liars who pimped their war and issued the marching orders before thinking about going after those they suckered into following their lead into their trap.

Obama wasnt against the war because he somehow knew there was false information. He was against the war because hes a anti-war liberal, who is against all wars. Don't kid yourself.

Which is why he supported and currently supports the war in Afghanistan, right?

Which is why a liberal President led us into WWII, when the conservatives and Republicans at the time were chanting for pacifist isolationism?

Don't kid yourself that people here can't easily see through your transparent lies. At the very least stop using sweeping generalizations, as those are easily exposed.

edit: oh, BTW... Obama speaking in Chicago on Oct 2, 2002, the day Congress authorized Iraq --
"I am not opposed to all wars. I'm opposed to dumb wars... You want a fight, President Bush? Let's finish the fight with Bin Laden and al-Qaeda, through effective, coordinated intelligence, and a shutting down of the financial networks that support terrorism, and a homeland security program that involves more than color-coded warnings."
 
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