BUSH LIED! THOUSANDS DIED!

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: Stoneburner

Originally posted by: Duwelon

Originally posted by: Stoneburner
Before this continues, let's get one thing straight. The senate did NOT Have access to the same intelligence the whitehouse people did. For a more full understanding I encourage reading Hubris and/or the 1 percent doctrine. A certain individual is hellbent on using words uttered by democrats. However, that they stated those things is irrelevant, the question is whether the bush admin manipulated information, including the information that went to the senators in question. A Th The answer is a resounding YES.
gain, some senators had access to MORE information but not the complete record. Rockafeller was one such senator so he's a dirty asshole (see his bending over on telecom immunity for further reference)

As for the report, it confirms what has been stated in numerous books and articles.

I don't know of anyone who has ever stated that the reason we invaded Iraq was because they attacked us during 9/11. The facts are that saddam was kicking out inspectors and breaking UN resolutions, this after 9/11. This was a leader who pre-emptively thought he could invade a sovreign neighbor and claim it as his own. Now, after almost 7 years of NO terrorist attacks on US soil, compared to a couple during Clinton's reign, the democrats are just trying to re-write history.

What are you replying to? What did you read? We are talking about Bushies who MANIPULATED INTELLIGENCE about iraq's threat. As for your first statement, do you remember cheney linking Iraq to AL Qaeda? Claiming some of the 9/11 hijackers trained in IRaq? DO you remember?

Do you? Just your first sentence is remarkably wrong.

I believe the Cheney claim you speak of is the one where Mohammed Atta met with an Iraqi intelligence officer in Prague in 2001? That information was provided by the Czech Republic who still stands by that claim.

Also, a recently released Pentagon Report details captured documents from Saddam Hussein's intelligence service which shows financial backing of two seperate Al-Qaeda terrorist partners. It also shows support for the Egyptian Islamic Jihad which later joined the Al-Qaeda network when it's leader, al-Zawahiri became Bin Laden's lieutenant.

 

[nageov3t]

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: loki8481
I for one won't be reelecting him in November.

you really are a sick man

too bad you weren't an Iraqi who was labeled as "Collateral Damage"

I'm sick because I oppose the unconstitutional reelection of GWBush, and wishing for my death is fine and dandy? lol.

you're twisted and disturbed.

 

[OrByte]

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: Stoneburner

Originally posted by: Duwelon

Originally posted by: Stoneburner
Before this continues, let's get one thing straight. The senate did NOT Have access to the same intelligence the whitehouse people did. For a more full understanding I encourage reading Hubris and/or the 1 percent doctrine. A certain individual is hellbent on using words uttered by democrats. However, that they stated those things is irrelevant, the question is whether the bush admin manipulated information, including the information that went to the senators in question. A Th The answer is a resounding YES.
gain, some senators had access to MORE information but not the complete record. Rockafeller was one such senator so he's a dirty asshole (see his bending over on telecom immunity for further reference)

As for the report, it confirms what has been stated in numerous books and articles.

I don't know of anyone who has ever stated that the reason we invaded Iraq was because they attacked us during 9/11. The facts are that saddam was kicking out inspectors and breaking UN resolutions, this after 9/11. This was a leader who pre-emptively thought he could invade a sovreign neighbor and claim it as his own. Now, after almost 7 years of NO terrorist attacks on US soil, compared to a couple during Clinton's reign, the democrats are just trying to re-write history.

What are you replying to? What did you read? We are talking about Bushies who MANIPULATED INTELLIGENCE about iraq's threat. As for your first statement, do you remember cheney linking Iraq to AL Qaeda? Claiming some of the 9/11 hijackers trained in IRaq? DO you remember?

Do you? Just your first sentence is remarkably wrong.

I believe the Cheney claim you speak of is the one where Mohammed Atta met with an Iraqi intelligence officer in Prague in 2001? That information was provided by the Czech Republic who still stands by that claim.

Also, a recently released [l=Pentagon Report]http://a.abcnews.com/images/pdf/Pentagon_Report_V1.pdf details captured documents from Saddam Hussein's intelligence service which shows financial backing of two seperate Al-Qaeda terrorist partners. It also shows support for the Egyptian Islamic Jihad which later joined the Al-Qaeda network when it's leader, al-Zawahiri became Bin Laden's lieutenant.

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wow man, we should have elected you to conduct a senate investigation into the run up to the iraq war.

I guess your link makes the Senate Intelligence Committee wrong and you right?

 

[Stoneburner]

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: Stoneburner

Originally posted by: Duwelon

Originally posted by: Stoneburner
Before this continues, let's get one thing straight. The senate did NOT Have access to the same intelligence the whitehouse people did. For a more full understanding I encourage reading Hubris and/or the 1 percent doctrine. A certain individual is hellbent on using words uttered by democrats. However, that they stated those things is irrelevant, the question is whether the bush admin manipulated information, including the information that went to the senators in question. A Th The answer is a resounding YES.
gain, some senators had access to MORE information but not the complete record. Rockafeller was one such senator so he's a dirty asshole (see his bending over on telecom immunity for further reference)

As for the report, it confirms what has been stated in numerous books and articles.

I don't know of anyone who has ever stated that the reason we invaded Iraq was because they attacked us during 9/11. The facts are that saddam was kicking out inspectors and breaking UN resolutions, this after 9/11. This was a leader who pre-emptively thought he could invade a sovreign neighbor and claim it as his own. Now, after almost 7 years of NO terrorist attacks on US soil, compared to a couple during Clinton's reign, the democrats are just trying to re-write history.

What are you replying to? What did you read? We are talking about Bushies who MANIPULATED INTELLIGENCE about iraq's threat. As for your first statement, do you remember cheney linking Iraq to AL Qaeda? Claiming some of the 9/11 hijackers trained in IRaq? DO you remember?

Do you? Just your first sentence is remarkably wrong.

I believe the Cheney claim you speak of is the one where Mohammed Atta met with an Iraqi intelligence officer in Prague in 2001? That information was provided by the Czech Republic who still stands by that claim.

Also, a recently released [l=Pentagon Report]http://a.abcnews.com/images/pdf/Pentagon_Report_V1.pdf[/quote] details captured documents from Saddam Hussein's intelligence service which shows financial backing of two seperate Al-Qaeda terrorist partners. It also shows support for the Egyptian Islamic Jihad which later joined the Al-Qaeda network when it's leader, al-Zawahiri became Bin Laden's lieutenant.[/quote]


There is no credible evidence of the Atta link. But i was talking more about the hijackers training in Iraq. BTW, the atta story has as much credibility as the 9/11 truthers theories. I remember not being impressed with your previous posts, but are you really going to rehash a dead letter?

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: OrByte

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: Stoneburner

Originally posted by: Duwelon

Originally posted by: Stoneburner
Before this continues, let's get one thing straight. The senate did NOT Have access to the same intelligence the whitehouse people did. For a more full understanding I encourage reading Hubris and/or the 1 percent doctrine. A certain individual is hellbent on using words uttered by democrats. However, that they stated those things is irrelevant, the question is whether the bush admin manipulated information, including the information that went to the senators in question. A Th The answer is a resounding YES.
gain, some senators had access to MORE information but not the complete record. Rockafeller was one such senator so he's a dirty asshole (see his bending over on telecom immunity for further reference)

As for the report, it confirms what has been stated in numerous books and articles.

I don't know of anyone who has ever stated that the reason we invaded Iraq was because they attacked us during 9/11. The facts are that saddam was kicking out inspectors and breaking UN resolutions, this after 9/11. This was a leader who pre-emptively thought he could invade a sovreign neighbor and claim it as his own. Now, after almost 7 years of NO terrorist attacks on US soil, compared to a couple during Clinton's reign, the democrats are just trying to re-write history.

What are you replying to? What did you read? We are talking about Bushies who MANIPULATED INTELLIGENCE about iraq's threat. As for your first statement, do you remember cheney linking Iraq to AL Qaeda? Claiming some of the 9/11 hijackers trained in IRaq? DO you remember?

Do you? Just your first sentence is remarkably wrong.

I believe the Cheney claim you speak of is the one where Mohammed Atta met with an Iraqi intelligence officer in Prague in 2001? That information was provided by the Czech Republic who still stands by that claim.

Also, a recently released [l=Pentagon Report]http://a.abcnews.com/images/pdf/Pentagon_Report_V1.pdf details captured documents from Saddam Hussein's intelligence service which shows financial backing of two seperate Al-Qaeda terrorist partners. It also shows support for the Egyptian Islamic Jihad which later joined the Al-Qaeda network when it's leader, al-Zawahiri became Bin Laden's lieutenant.

wow man, we should have elected you to conduct a senate investigation into the run up to the iraq war.

I guess your link makes the Senate Intelligence Committee wrong and you right?

Quite possibly. Why wouldn't it? They are documents from Saddam's Intelligence Service after all. Also consider who is running the Senate now. Also consider that it is an election year. Previous bipartisan committees found no evidence of manipulation. Now this pops up just months before a major election?

 

[Zebo]

God i hope they impeach his ass. Only fitting for such a smug POS war profiteer and domestic grifter. Also, it may save the Republican party from a generation in the abyss which is why they should seriously consider it.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: Hecubus2000

Originally posted by: OrByte

Originally posted by: Hecubus2000


That's funny. I remember these same people spouting WMDs in Iraq all throughout the Clinton admin. long before Bush was even in office. I guess its the "same tired diversion" only when it doesn't accommodate your point of view. That's pretty sad.

all of which doesn't matter when going back to the Senate Intelligence Committee's findings in the latest report which indicates that in some instances we were told lies by the Bush Administration, in the events leading up to the war in Iraq?

Do you understand that?

Doesn't matter? How can it not matter when it all occurred within a two year period?? If you are going after one liar, why not go after all of them? They all had a part in this.

Which of them actually created and spread the lies, not only to Congress, but to the American people, the United Nations, and the whole world?

Who actually was stupid enough to pull the trigger on a war that has killed thousands of Americans, wounded tens of thousands more, not to mention laying to waste hundreds of thousands of other innocent lives?

We can deal with those who betrayed us because they should have known better, later. Right now, the first order of business is to deal with the worst criminal cabal ever to hold the executive branch of our government.

They didn't just hold the offices of President and Vice President. They grabbed it and used it against the citizens of the United States of America as a blunt instrument to instill ungrounded fear amongst us, to usurp our Constitutional rights with unwarranted searches and monitoring of our private communications, to commit crimes against humanity, including illegal kidnapping and multiple forms of torture of innocent people.

Their crimes are sufficient that they will be remembered in history with the worst of the world's villains, but if you want to know why WE, the PEOPLE of the UNITED STATES of AMERICA must be the ones to hold them to account, its because...
.
.
.
.
They did it in our name. They told the world they were committing their crimes on behalf of you and me. In so doing, they have placed gross, blood stained, possibly fatal wounds to the integrity, the credibility and the honor of the United States of America in the eyes of our own citizens and of the world.

 

[Duwelon]

The CIA, among others, believed Iraq was trying to acquire nuclear weapons, but the Department of Energy disagreed, the report said.

LOL. What a bunch of douchebags in the senate who put this piece of crap together.

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: loki8481

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: loki8481
I for one won't be reelecting him in November.

you really are a sick man

too bad you weren't an Iraqi who was labeled as "Collateral Damage"

I'm sick because I oppose the unconstitutional reelection of GWBush, and wishing for my death is fine and dandy? lol.

you're twisted and disturbed.

BS.. You made it sound so funny.. like why are we talking about Bush now.. too bad what he has already done

You know exactly what you were doing

YOU were the one who showed ZERO CONCERN for the Deaths/Murders caused by Bush and the lies of his cabinet members so they could go to war

people who support the murders/deaths of innocents based on lies of their parties politician should be just as dead as those they didn't care about

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: loki8481
I for one won't be reelecting him in November.

you really are a sick man

too bad you weren't an Iraqi who was labeled as "Collateral Damage"

You call him a sick man, but then you say it's too bad that he wasn't killed in Iraq??

If you are willing to support war built on lies then you should truly be collateral damage too

It should be obvious..

 

[Duwelon]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: Hecubus2000

Originally posted by: OrByte

Originally posted by: Hecubus2000


That's funny. I remember these same people spouting WMDs in Iraq all throughout the Clinton admin. long before Bush was even in office. I guess its the "same tired diversion" only when it doesn't accommodate your point of view. That's pretty sad.

all of which doesn't matter when going back to the Senate Intelligence Committee's findings in the latest report which indicates that in some instances we were told lies by the Bush Administration, in the events leading up to the war in Iraq?

Do you understand that?

Doesn't matter? How can it not matter when it all occurred within a two year period?? If you are going after one liar, why not go after all of them? They all had a part in this.

Which of them actually created and spread the lies, not only to Congress, but to the American people, the United Nations, and the whole world?

Who actually was stupid enough to pull the trigger on a war that has killed thousands of Americans, wounded tens of thousands more, not to mention laying to waste hundreds of thousands of other innocent lives?

We can deal with those who betrayed us because they should have known better, later. Right now, the first order of business is to deal with the worst criminal cabal ever to hold the executive branch of our government.

They didn't just hold the offices of President and Vice President. They grabbed it and used it against the citizens of the United States of America as a blunt instrument to instill ungrounded fear amongst us, to usurp our Constitutional rights with unwarranted searches and monitoring of our private communications, to commit crimes against humanity, including illegal kidnapping and multiple forms of torture of innocent people.

Their crimes are sufficient that they will be remembered in history with the worst of the world's villains, but if you want to know why WE, the PEOPLE of the UNITED STATES of AMERICA must be the ones to hold them to account, its because...
.
.
.
.
They did it our name. In so doing, they have placed gross, blood stained, possibly fatal wounds to the integrity, the credibility and the honor of the United States of America in the eyes of our own citizens and of the world.

That was a heart touching post and all.. but i hate to break it to you, but Saddam was a ruthless dictator and whether you want to admit it or not, we "LIBERATED" the Iraqi people and it's not them we're fighting or targeting today, it's fringe groups that would have been defeated long ago had liberals had any kind of spines to stand up to injustice against known villians instead of digging as deep as they can in their back yard for unknown ones.

 

[ProfJohn]

Interesting how the anti-war folks go around wishing death on people.

 

[OrByte]

Originally posted by: Duwelon

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: Hecubus2000

Originally posted by: OrByte

Originally posted by: Hecubus2000


That's funny. I remember these same people spouting WMDs in Iraq all throughout the Clinton admin. long before Bush was even in office. I guess its the "same tired diversion" only when it doesn't accommodate your point of view. That's pretty sad.

all of which doesn't matter when going back to the Senate Intelligence Committee's findings in the latest report which indicates that in some instances we were told lies by the Bush Administration, in the events leading up to the war in Iraq?

Do you understand that?

Doesn't matter? How can it not matter when it all occurred within a two year period?? If you are going after one liar, why not go after all of them? They all had a part in this.

Which of them actually created and spread the lies, not only to Congress, but to the American people, the United Nations, and the whole world?

Who actually was stupid enough to pull the trigger on a war that has killed thousands of Americans, wounded tens of thousands more, not to mention laying to waste hundreds of thousands of other innocent lives?

We can deal with those who betrayed us because they should have known better, later. Right now, the first order of business is to deal with the worst criminal cabal ever to hold the executive branch of our government.

They didn't just hold the offices of President and Vice President. They grabbed it and used it against the citizens of the United States of America as a blunt instrument to instill ungrounded fear amongst us, to usurp our Constitutional rights with unwarranted searches and monitoring of our private communications, to commit crimes against humanity, including illegal kidnapping and multiple forms of torture of innocent people.

Their crimes are sufficient that they will be remembered in history with the worst of the world's villains, but if you want to know why WE, the PEOPLE of the UNITED STATES of AMERICA must be the ones to hold them to account, its because...
.
.
.
.
They did it our name. In so doing, they have placed gross, blood stained, possibly fatal wounds to the integrity, the credibility and the honor of the United States of America in the eyes of our own citizens and of the world.

That was a heart touching post and all.. but i hate to break it to you, but Saddam was a ruthless dictator and whether you want to admit it or not, we "LIBERATED" the Iraqi people and it's not them we're fighting or targeting today, it's fringe groups that would have been defeated long ago had liberals had any kind of spines to stand up to injustice against known villians instead of digging as deep as they can in their back yard for unknown ones.

hehehe

and the goal posts keep moving...like 5 years later.

So who is the next ruthless dictator we have to remove?

and when do we start the next war?

I can't wait!! :disgust:

 

[Duwelon]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Interesting how the anti-war folks go around wishing death on people.

Very much so. And, they'd rather vehemently search every nook and cranny for Bush's wrongdoings than confront the evil that was right before their eyes, Saddam Hussein. They're so batty that they literally argue that he should still be in power torturing people because somehow in 20-20 hindsight it would make the world a better place.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Interesting how the anti-war folks go around wishing death on people.

While you pro-war folks actually make it happen on a bloody grand scale and stick us with the bill. :thumbsdown: :| :thumbsdown:

 

[Duwelon]

Originally posted by: OrByte

Originally posted by: Duwelon

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: Hecubus2000

Originally posted by: OrByte

Originally posted by: Hecubus2000


That's funny. I remember these same people spouting WMDs in Iraq all throughout the Clinton admin. long before Bush was even in office. I guess its the "same tired diversion" only when it doesn't accommodate your point of view. That's pretty sad.

all of which doesn't matter when going back to the Senate Intelligence Committee's findings in the latest report which indicates that in some instances we were told lies by the Bush Administration, in the events leading up to the war in Iraq?

Do you understand that?

Doesn't matter? How can it not matter when it all occurred within a two year period?? If you are going after one liar, why not go after all of them? They all had a part in this.

Which of them actually created and spread the lies, not only to Congress, but to the American people, the United Nations, and the whole world?

Who actually was stupid enough to pull the trigger on a war that has killed thousands of Americans, wounded tens of thousands more, not to mention laying to waste hundreds of thousands of other innocent lives?

We can deal with those who betrayed us because they should have known better, later. Right now, the first order of business is to deal with the worst criminal cabal ever to hold the executive branch of our government.

They didn't just hold the offices of President and Vice President. They grabbed it and used it against the citizens of the United States of America as a blunt instrument to instill ungrounded fear amongst us, to usurp our Constitutional rights with unwarranted searches and monitoring of our private communications, to commit crimes against humanity, including illegal kidnapping and multiple forms of torture of innocent people.

Their crimes are sufficient that they will be remembered in history with the worst of the world's villains, but if you want to know why WE, the PEOPLE of the UNITED STATES of AMERICA must be the ones to hold them to account, its because...
.
.
.
.
They did it our name. In so doing, they have placed gross, blood stained, possibly fatal wounds to the integrity, the credibility and the honor of the United States of America in the eyes of our own citizens and of the world.

That was a heart touching post and all.. but i hate to break it to you, but Saddam was a ruthless dictator and whether you want to admit it or not, we "LIBERATED" the Iraqi people and it's not them we're fighting or targeting today, it's fringe groups that would have been defeated long ago had liberals had any kind of spines to stand up to injustice against known villians instead of digging as deep as they can in their back yard for unknown ones.

hehehe

and the goal posts keep moving...like 5 years later.

So who is the next ruthless dictator we have to remove?

and when do we start the next war?

I can't wait!! :disgust:

If I was a super hero I would take out as many scumbags as I could. Unfortunately, we're so hamstrung by blind bats like Harvey that we can barely muster the energy to defend ourselves when we feel our country is threatened.

 

[OrByte]

Originally posted by: Duwelon

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Interesting how the anti-war folks go around wishing death on people.

Very much so. And, they'd rather vehemently search every nook and cranny for Bush's wrongdoings than confront the evil that was right before their eyes, Saddam Hussein. They're so batty that they literally argue that he should still be in power torturing people because somehow in 20-20 hindsight it would make the world a better place.

so who is next on the neocon hit list?

war of agression is fun! GWB certainly thought so!! :disgust:

 

[Duwelon]

Originally posted by: OrByte

Originally posted by: Duwelon

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Interesting how the anti-war folks go around wishing death on people.

Very much so. And, they'd rather vehemently search every nook and cranny for Bush's wrongdoings than confront the evil that was right before their eyes, Saddam Hussein. They're so batty that they literally argue that he should still be in power torturing people because somehow in 20-20 hindsight it would make the world a better place.

so who is next on the neocon hit list?

war of agression is fun! GWB certainly thought so!! :disgust:

France.

 

[Duwelon]

Originally posted by: OrByte

Originally posted by: Duwelon

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Interesting how the anti-war folks go around wishing death on people.

Very much so. And, they'd rather vehemently search every nook and cranny for Bush's wrongdoings than confront the evil that was right before their eyes, Saddam Hussein. They're so batty that they literally argue that he should still be in power torturing people because somehow in 20-20 hindsight it would make the world a better place.

so who is next on the neocon hit list?

war of agression is fun! GWB certainly thought so!! :disgust:

Oh and it wasn't "war of aggression" as the left tries EXTREMELY HARD to re-write history with. It was pre-emptive but it had nothing to do with aggression and everything to do with self defense. Quit trying to re-write history.

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Interesting how the anti-war folks go around wishing death on people.

If I was an accomplice in a murder what punishment would I deserve? *oh.. need to specify some criteria

I am NOT a Republican Politician

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: Duwelon

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Interesting how the anti-war folks go around wishing death on people.

Very much so. And, they'd rather vehemently search every nook and cranny for Bush's wrongdoings than confront the evil that was right before their eyes, Saddam Hussein. They're so batty that they literally argue that he should still be in power torturing people because somehow in 20-20 hindsight it would make the world a better place.

Can you tell us again how many of the 19 hijackers were from Iraq

OH>. also

How many times has Iraq attacked American Soil

You can use the internets to find that information if you want to

 

[OrByte]

Originally posted by: Duwelon

Originally posted by: OrByte

Originally posted by: Duwelon

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Interesting how the anti-war folks go around wishing death on people.

Very much so. And, they'd rather vehemently search every nook and cranny for Bush's wrongdoings than confront the evil that was right before their eyes, Saddam Hussein. They're so batty that they literally argue that he should still be in power torturing people because somehow in 20-20 hindsight it would make the world a better place.

so who is next on the neocon hit list?

war of agression is fun! GWB certainly thought so!! :disgust:

Oh and it wasn't "war of aggression" as the left tries EXTREMELY HARD to re-write history with. It was pre-emptive but it had nothing to do with aggression and everything to do with self defense. Quit trying to re-write history.

If the war was easily justifed then we wouldnt have been lied to.

a war started of self defense is probably the easiest to justify. So why did the Administration have to lie about Iraq in order to go to war with Iraq?

An elective war is not so easy to justify, hence all the lies. which is why alot of people including myself feel that this was a war of agression.

 

[jackschmittusa]

Duwelon

The CIA, among others, believed Iraq was trying to acquire nuclear weapons, but the Department of Energy disagreed, the report said.

LOL. What a bunch of douchebags in the senate who put this piece of crap together.

Do you have any idea what you are referencing and making fun of? I doubt it.

fact: One idiot at the CIA (with no nuclear tech training) decided that the aluminum tubes that Iraq received were for uranium enrichment. The DOE arguably employs the best engineers on the planet in the field of uranium enrichment. They collectively agreed that the tubes were essentially worthless for centrifuges. Their opinion was totally ignored because it did not further the war agenda. But the opinion of a single, untrained analyst at the CIA was accepted as damning proof of a continuing Iraqi nuke program and put out for public consumption.

If you think that is funny, I think you have a really perverted sense of humor.

 

[dahunan]

The saddest shit about all of this

OSAMA KICKED DUMBYAS ASS... He is bankrupting America with ease and turning the world against us and turing our citizens against each other << that was probably the neocon plan from the start

 

[dahunan]

HOW FUNNY IS IT THAT HALLIBURTON MOVED THEIR HEADQUARTERS TO AN ARAB COUNTRY AFTER STEALING BILLIONS AND BILLIONS FROM AMERICA