BUSH LIED! THOUSANDS DIED!

[jackschmittusa]

Duwelon

Self defense? What attack on the U.S. did the invasion of Iraq save us from?

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: Duwelon

If I was a super hero I would take out as many scumbags as I could. Unfortunately, we're so hamstrung by blind bats like Harvey that we can barely muster the energy to defend ourselves when we feel our country is threatened.

Thanks for the cheer. Now, let's see you refute the charges against the adminstration. If you can't do that, you can spew all you want, but you may want to remember what they say about pissing into the wind.

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: jackschmittusa
Duwelon

Self defense? What attack on the U.S. did the invasion of Iraq save us from?

He runs a pre-cog farm

 

[marincounty]

Originally posted by: Duwelon

Originally posted by: OrByte

Originally posted by: Duwelon

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Interesting how the anti-war folks go around wishing death on people.

Very much so. And, they'd rather vehemently search every nook and cranny for Bush's wrongdoings than confront the evil that was right before their eyes, Saddam Hussein. They're so batty that they literally argue that he should still be in power torturing people because somehow in 20-20 hindsight it would make the world a better place.

so who is next on the neocon hit list?

war of agression is fun! GWB certainly thought so!! :disgust:

Oh and it wasn't "war of aggression" as the left tries EXTREMELY HARD to re-write history with. It was pre-emptive but it had nothing to do with aggression and everything to do with self defense. Quit trying to re-write history.[/q]

"Sure it was pre-emptive but it had nothing to do with aggression and everything to do with self defense"?

So when I punch you in the nose, it was just pre-emptive because I knew you were gonna punch me, but it had nothing to do with agression, so don't get upset.

Sorry I broke your nose, but my intelligence said you were gonna punch me.

 

[nageov3t]

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: loki8481

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: loki8481
I for one won't be reelecting him in November.

you really are a sick man

too bad you weren't an Iraqi who was labeled as "Collateral Damage"

I'm sick because I oppose the unconstitutional reelection of GWBush, and wishing for my death is fine and dandy? lol.

you're twisted and disturbed.

BS.. You made it sound so funny

thanks! :thumbsup:

YOU were the one who showed ZERO CONCERN for the Deaths/Murders caused by Bush and the lies of his cabinet members so they could go to war

Bush lied to get us into the war.

ok. so what?

I mean, everyone's known this. America had a chance to say "no, we don't want a person sitting behind the desk who lied to get us into a war" and decided to reelect the guy instead. so what do you want to do?

rehashing the root causes of the war over and over again won't change the fact that republicans think that the consequences of leaving tomorrow would be even worse than if we stayed and soldiered on in this war of lies. so long as congress is unwilling to do anything about it, what can any of us do other than not reelect George Bush like we should have done in 2004?

and no concern? if you think you've got a window into my soul, get back on your meds. I'm not the one stomping around telling forum members they deserve to be killed.

people who support the murders/deaths of innocents based on lies of their parties politician should be just as dead as those they didn't care about

who kills the killers who kill the killers?

 

[Stoneburner]

It's remarkable how the rightwing noise machine works. They slowly seed half truths and blatant lies and ignore evidence to the contrary until it echos so much they lose sense of reality. People are still claiming Atta met iraqi agents? Still claiming the senate had the same information the administration did? They think they can create an alternative reality by creating a web of lies and just cross referencing fellow liars. It's somewhat clever but easy to parse through.

The fact is this: The bush administration misled about Iraq's threat. They took somewhat favorable intelligence and made it seem like a "slam dunk." They took contrary views and threw them in the trash or obscure footnotes, or flatly rewrote objections to mean the opposite of what they actually meant. Scott Mclellan has pretty much confirmed all this now, along with Paul Oneil, Bob Woodward, Ron Suskind, Richard Clarke, et seq.

 

[vhx]

Funny we don't see this stuff until the presidents terms are over. Even though it looks like these people have had these documents or the people involved all knew.

Shows how screwed this country is as far as making the government responsible.

 

[First]

6 months, man. It's almost over. Well, except for Iraq...and broken healhcare....and broken social security....and....****

 

[crisscross]

Originally posted by: loki8481

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: loki8481

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: loki8481
I for one won't be reelecting him in November.

you really are a sick man

too bad you weren't an Iraqi who was labeled as "Collateral Damage"

I'm sick because I oppose the unconstitutional reelection of GWBush, and wishing for my death is fine and dandy? lol.

you're twisted and disturbed.

BS.. You made it sound so funny

thanks! :thumbsup:

YOU were the one who showed ZERO CONCERN for the Deaths/Murders caused by Bush and the lies of his cabinet members so they could go to war

Bush lied to get us into the war.

ok. so what?

I mean, everyone's known this. America had a chance to say "no, we don't want a person sitting behind the desk who lied to get us into a war" and decided to reelect the guy instead. so what do you want to do?

rehashing the root causes of the war over and over again won't change the fact that republicans think that the consequences of leaving tomorrow would be even worse than if we stayed and soldiered on in this war of lies. so long as congress is unwilling to do anything about it, what can any of us do other than not reelect George Bush like we should have done in 2004?

and no concern? if you think you've got a window into my soul, get back on your meds. I'm not the one stomping around telling forum members they deserve to be killed.

people who support the murders/deaths of innocents based on lies of their parties politician should be just as dead as those they didn't care about

who kills the killers who kill the killers?

And thank god for that! if you guys hadn't re-elected Bush, the neo-cons would have blamed all of Iraq's problems on Kerry and Dems, at least now the people know who deserves the blame

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: crisscross

And thank god for that! if you guys hadn't re-elected Bush, the neo-cons would have blamed all of Iraq's problems on Kerry and Dems, at least now the people know who deserves the blame

That's a painful truth, that the story would be that things would have gone great in Iraq if Bush had been re-elected, and the democrats messed it up.

It's funny, the public forgets; if the democrats fix things for a while, the public will start to hear the siren song of the Republican seduction again and vote them back in.

How do you explain the election of a Nixon or a George W. Bush, following democrats who got things on track (but for Vietnam), but for the flaws of the voter as part of why?

The voters forget the sting of the Great Depression that gave us FDR, of Watergate that gave us Carter, of the Reagan/Bush deficits and crimes that gave us Clinton.

Why, GWB is a compassionate conservative who believes in a humble foreign policy, is against nation building, for budget surpluses with a fraction of the surpluses paying for tax cuts, small spending, a restoration to integrity and dignity and the highest ethical standards the White House has ever seen, the environment...

But that Al Gore, he sighs so rudely when Bush speaks (we all do now), and you just can't trust him to tell the truth. Why, he mentioned his leadership in the creation of the internet in a phrase that could be slightly unclear and mocked - obviously, he was trying to lie to the American people that as a Senator he was the one putting the wires into the internets. Can't fool the voters that easy, Al, they're going to vote for Bush, who almost gets the quantity of the word internet right!

 

[NoStateofMind]

Originally posted by: Evan Lieb
6 months, man. It's almost over. Well, except for Iraq...and broken healhcare....and broken social security....and....****

...broken economy

 

[StageLeft]

It really is nothing new to us, but it's nice to see it publicized. I think that charging Bush would be the best thing that could happen to this country.

 

[Pliablemoose]

THAT DOES IT, I'M NOT GOING TO VOTE FOR BUSH AGAIN

And if Clinton hadn't gutted the intelligence community during the 8 years of his administration someone might have had the balls to disagree with what was told the US public.

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose
THAT DOES IT, I'M NOT GOING TO VOTE FOR BUSH AGAIN

And if Clinton hadn't gutted the intelligence community during the 8 years of his administration someone might have had the balls to disagree with what was told the US public.

Yes, Cheney personally went and intimidated the CIA analysts repeatedly to find the 'right' conclusions, because there was no one there who was saying otherwise.

Must be why Tenent, who was the director for both administrations, talked about how gutted the agency was as the cause of not detecting 9/11.

Couldn't possibly be the *daily meetings* Clinton held with principles on Al Queda after the threat was recognized, or Bush's *huge downgrading* of Al Queda as an issue for 9 months.

 

[GroundedSailor]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Interesting how the anti-war folks go around wishing death on people.

In the same manner that pro-life folks support the death penalty.

Ironies abound everywhere but surely there has to be a difference in killing the innocent and killing the guilty (of killing the innocent).

For the record I am not a proponent of the death penalty. I would like to see the current administration held accountable for their misdeeds and misleading the nation into preemptive war in Iraq. I'll settle for a prison term for them if found guilty.

 

[Lemon law]

The thing that pisses me off the most about this Harvey thread is that Harvey has grossly understated the damage of Bush lied. Its not thousands died, that number of formerly living persons who died by violent means as a direct result of these lies now number in the many hundreds of thousands and may well hit a million before this is over in Iraq. Certainly millions of Iraqis have become exiled and made homeless, direct and indirect costs of this optional war will exceed two to three trillion dollars, and the damage to US prestige is simply impossible to access. What Bush has done to Iraq makes him a far greater scourge than Saddam ever was.

One of the great mysteries is why the very men and women who so brilliant stage managed the lies that sold this war were totally missing in action when it came time to manage the war they so eagerly sought. Worse yet, when their go light plan A faltered, these same set of idiots have yet to come up with a viable plan B after nearly six years. And their refusal to try diplomacy is idiotically negligent. But part of that explanation is that they were used to having their way if they could get 50.1% support behind them, and were totally unable to comprehend that some of the angry 49.9% might take up weapons and start shooting.

I do not think GWB&co can be tried in US courts, which is why I think we should turn them over to the Hague as international war criminals. Or rather the international community will come to us with that demand in the coming years. Meanwhile its never too late to impeach and convict GWB&Cheney, even though it would be more of a symbolic gesture at this late date.

 

[Pliablemoose]

Pelosi has long ago taken impeachment off the table...

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose
THAT DOES IT, I'M NOT GOING TO VOTE FOR BUSH AGAIN

And if Clinton hadn't gutted the intelligence community during the 8 years of his administration someone might have had the balls to disagree with what was told the US public.

I'm no Clinton fan, but the real problems came in after Bush. Bush more than anyone manipulated the CIA for political reasons. Many senior analysts quit simply because the administration only wanted intel that supported their position. In fact Wolfowitz and others restructured the procedure to guarantee a specific outcome.

The aluminum tubes were an example of cherry picking. Ignoring experts in the field and picking a lone report from an agent who had little knowledge of the subject? A mistake? Hardly.

If McCain loses, and the Dems get a larger majority I hope to see an investigation of the last 8 years. If we can spend millions over a BJ, then we certainly can for something important.

BTW, I expect the policy of preemption to continue when Bush pardons everyone he's associated with (and maybe himself) for any illegalities he and his has committed immediately before he leaves office.

 

[event8horizon]

lemon-
wasnt the "surge" kinda like plan b.

Vice President Dick Cheney organizes a neoconservative counter to the ISG?s recommendations, led by the American Enterprise Institute?s Frederick Kagan. Kagan and his partner, retired general Jack Keane, quickly formulate a plan to dramatically escalate the number of US troops in Iraq, an operation quickly termed ?the surge? (see January 10, 2007). The only element of the ISG report that is implemented in the Bush administration?s operations in Iraq is the label ?a new way forward,? a moniker appropriated for the surge of troops.

Frederick along with his brother Robert Kagan, who is a member of the Aspen Strategy Group, and their father Donald are all signatories to the neoconservative Project for the New American Century manifesto titled Rebuilding America's Defenses (2000).

i wonder if philip zelikow was onto something when he linked iraq with israel's security.
Philip D. Zelikow (b. 1954) was the executive director of the 9/11 Commission.

In 2002 Zelikow made remarks interpreted as alleging that the United States entered the Iraq War to protect Israel, when he said:

? "Why would Iraq attack America or use nuclear weapons against us? I'll tell you what I think the real threat (is) and actually has been since 1990 -- it's the threat against Israel,"
"And this is the threat that dare not speak its name, because the Europeans don't care deeply about that threat, I will tell you frankly. And the American government doesn't want to lean too hard on it rhetorically, because it is not a popular sell."[5]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_D._Zelikow

the office of special plans had a direct connection to ariel sharon's office and the whitehouse.
just look to the pnac people and the office of special plans if u want someone to blame!!!!

 

[jman19]

Originally posted by: loki8481

Originally posted by: jman19

Originally posted by: loki8481
I for one won't be reelecting him in November.

Ok, what does that have to do with him not liking Bush?

so Bush lied to get us in the war... it doesn't change the current situation, and Americans already had their chance to show whether or not they cared -- and they reelected him. so what can you really do at this point to show your righteous fury? the democrats in congress sure as hell aren't going to do anything about it.

Cool, I guess nobody should care then, right? :roll:

 

[Atreus21]

Yes, Bush is the all-knowing malevolence in command of the universe. He is bent on nothing short of world domination and general malfeasance. He loves his beautiful beautiful money. He is the worst person EVAH!

Liberals might have a point if they didn't sound so childish.

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: loki8481

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: loki8481
I for one won't be reelecting him in November.

you really are a sick man

too bad you weren't an Iraqi who was labeled as "Collateral Damage"

I'm sick because I oppose the unconstitutional reelection of GWBush, and wishing for my death is fine and dandy? lol.

you're twisted and disturbed.

Personally, I thought you were sick because you don't seem to be for any accountability in our government. I mean, your post didn't say that, but it certainly implies it.

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: loki8481

Bush lied to get us into the war.

ok. so what?

Wait, I was wrong. Your post DID say it. Interesting, so you believe the only accountability the President of the United States has is to be re-elected or not re-elected?

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: Stoneburner
It's remarkable how the rightwing noise machine works. They slowly seed half truths and blatant lies and ignore evidence to the contrary until it echos so much they lose sense of reality. People are still claiming Atta met iraqi agents? Still claiming the senate had the same information the administration did? They think they can create an alternative reality by creating a web of lies and just cross referencing fellow liars. It's somewhat clever but easy to parse through.

The fact is this: The bush administration misled about Iraq's threat. They took somewhat favorable intelligence and made it seem like a "slam dunk." They took contrary views and threw them in the trash or obscure footnotes, or flatly rewrote objections to mean the opposite of what they actually meant. Scott Mclellan has pretty much confirmed all this now, along with Paul Oneil, Bob Woodward, Ron Suskind, Richard Clarke, et seq.

No kidding. Duelon must be a mouthpiece for the administration, circa 2002, citing "self defense" and "Saddam kicking the inspectors out" as two of the lamest pro-war lies ever floated. I'm just waiting for him to post something about yellow cake next.

:roll:

 

[nageov3t]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Originally posted by: loki8481

Bush lied to get us into the war.

ok. so what?

Wait, I was wrong. Your post DID say it. Interesting, so you believe the only accountability the President of the United States has is to be re-elected or not re-elected?

so long as the democratic congress refuses to stop funding the war and has taken impeachment off the table, it's armed revolution or bust.

with 6 months left till GWB gets sent back to the shithole he came from, I'm alright with riding it out.